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Britt_Bearpaw
Member Since: 10/16/11
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Hello. I have been pretty dedicated to educating myself with all things gastric sleeve. I am paying for my surgery myself, because my insurance won't cover WLS for me since I don't have any "fat" illnesses. I am going to Tijuana in order to afford the surgery. I have been preparing for this for about four months, but suddenly this week it feels like the surgeon is trying to sway me into getting something other than the sleeve. Since I refuse bypass, the only thing left for me, being that I am 450 pounds, would be the DS. However, I don't know much about it. I just read the info on here about it, and the risks scare me. Also, I am only 25 so being on a hefty vitamin regimen seems so daunting. Also, they are expensive and I am a full time student and mommy and can't really afford vitamins regularly. Looking for experiences, the bad and the good....opinions, everything really on the DS. Thanks.

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Its a Secret
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I am a noob to the DS.  I had mine in November, most of the WLS have the same risks and don't believe what you hear about bathroom habits.  YMMV but I'm only in there once a day.  The first month wasn't fun but I'm stable now.    At 450 pounds, DS is probably a good choice.  Go to DSFACTS.org (it might be .com) and read.  There are vets at the link in my siggy line that can probably give you more info and better advice.  The vitamin regimen is daunting but so are the comorbities that you will eventually suffer.  Believe me, waiting till I was almost 50 wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done.

Also, check out your surgeon at dsfacts.  There are some lulu's in Mexico that have less than adequate facilities and lots of infection problems.  You want to only have this surgery once, take your time and choose well.  Revisions are costly and dangerous.

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Seeking Healthy
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Britt_Bearpaw
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Thank you both for the feedback. This is what I was afraid of-the costs of the DS after surgery. I will eventually lose my Medicaid and to be honest I am very poor at this time. I go to school, and am using my loans to afford the surgery. Even if it is the best surgery for super obese ppl such as myself, when I lose my insurance I don't think I could afford the lab appts, vitamins, ect. With the sleeve, there are no labs, or vitamins really needed. I like how powerful the DS seems to be, but being low income and all-it might not work for me sadly. Hoping to convince the surgeon-Dr. Garcia-that the sleeve really is the best choice for me for financial reasons.
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MsBatt
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On January 8, 2012 at 10:14 AM Pacific Time, Britt_Bearpaw wrote:
Thank you both for the feedback. This is what I was afraid of-the costs of the DS after surgery. I will eventually lose my Medicaid and to be honest I am very poor at this time. I go to school, and am using my loans to afford the surgery. Even if it is the best surgery for super obese ppl such as myself, when I lose my insurance I don't think I could afford the lab appts, vitamins, ect. With the sleeve, there are no labs, or vitamins really needed. I like how powerful the DS seems to be, but being low income and all-it might not work for me sadly. Hoping to convince the surgeon-Dr. Garcia-that the sleeve really is the best choice for me for financial reasons.
Britt---have the DS.

I don't know what I would give, to have had my DS at your age. Please don't throw this opportunity away.

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larra
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Lots of issues to consider in your post.

1. At 450 lbs, any wls that doesn't include malabsorption is very unlikely to be sufficient for you. I suspect that's why the surgeon is recommending DS rather than just the sleeve.

2. vitamins - absolutely necessary with the DS, and not just from time to time but every day, for the rest of your life. So yes, there is some expense involved, but it isn't a huge expense if you shop wisely. I get some vitamins from Vitalady, the stuff you can't just get off the shelf, and others from CostCo or local drug stores. This saves some money. Personally, I don't find taking them difficult at all - you develop a plan and just stick to it. Crucial to your health, but not difficult.

3. Choice of surgeon - another crucial decision. The only DS surgeon in Mexico that the veterans here recommend is Dr. Ungson (this is the correct spelling, someone else had an extra letter in there). He has lots of experience with the DS and an excellent reputation. The surgeon you named may have done a DS or 2, I don't know, but certainly not the level of experience of Dr. Ungson, and this is esp important for a larger person. And we have heard some truly awful things about both surgeons and facilities in TJ.

The DS really is your best choice. It has the best statistics of any wls for percentage excess weight loss, maintaining that weight loss, and resolution of almost all comorbidites. Bypass has a failure rate of 30%, maybe even higher for someone with a high bmi, as well as lots of unpleasant side effects - not your best choice. Sleeve has short term results similar to bypass, and longterm results are unknown. And even most surgeons who support the sleeve wouldn't recommend it for someone with a high bmi.
    I think, bottom line, you need more info to make a wise decision. Most of the veterans here have moved to a different website (I'll pm you with a link). You should also read up on the DS at dsfacts.com - lots of good info.
    You mention that the risks of the DS scare you. Yes, there are risks with any major surgery, but at age 25 and 450 lbs, you should be more scared of what your weight is going to do to you over the coming years. The risks of surgery are more immediate, but the risks of continuing with being SMO are worse.

Larra
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Britt_Bearpaw
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What all vitamins do you have to take everyday, and is it okay if I ask how much it costs in total per month? So, the DS is like the sleeve mixed with a bypass right? You get the same removal of stomach-the strechy part gone and the gherlin part removed-but then you move around the intestines? Is this right? Are the preop and post op diets for these procedures the same? Is the recovery process longer than the sleeve? I am taking the 6 days off from school to go to Mexico, and was hoping to be one of the lucky few to get back into school a week later. Is that possible with the DS? Thanks for the info!

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larra
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The more of your posts I read, the more clear it is that you still have some research to do.
    No, the DS isn't the sleeve mixed with a bypass. Yes, it includes the sleeve, though usually the sleeve is made a bit bigger with a full DS than with just a sleeve. This is because when they first started doing the sleeve as a stand alone, they saw a lot of weight regain after 4-5 years. With the narrower sleeve, we don't know if the weight regain problem is fixed or, more likely, just postponed. We do know that a really narrow sleeve increases the risk of problems with GERD.
     Along with a sleeve, the DS bypasses about half of your small intestine by attaching the lower half or the small intestine to the duodenum. The two resulting channels meet to form the common channel, which is where most of your digestion occurs. In gastric bypass, the small bowel is attached to the stomach, and only a very little bit of the small bowel is bypassed. Very different operation with much different diet, side effects, and results.
    recovery - 1 week isn't going to be sufficient no matter what operation you have. This is major surgery with general anesthesia. One week is not realistic, period.
    Cost - I don't know of any wls that you can get for $5,500, even in Mexico. If that is truly all you can afford, I would recommend holding off, saving more, and having surgery when you can pay for it (realistically!) and take enough time off from work or school. I hate telling anyone to wait for medical care, but I think once you get there for your "bargain", it won't be such a bargain.
    Do you ever watch The People's Court? Judge Milian has a saying in Spanish that translates to something like "the cheap turns out expensive" That's what you have ahead of you.

Larra
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newyorkbitch
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You are not ready for a DS.  DO.  NOT.  DO.  IT.

The DS is a major, major surgery.    You will need medical care and supplements and an expensive high protein diet for the rest of your life.  There are some complications for some people.  You may very well need periodic iron infusions - how will you pay for them?  You will need bone density scans, regular lab work - how will you pay for these?

How will you obtain follow up care once you get back from Mexico?

What happens if you have a complication after surgery?  Who takes care of your bills,  your child, etc?

DO.  NOT.  DO.  IT.
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PatXYZ
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You're going to need labs and vitamins with either the VSG or the DS, so I wouldn't let that be the deciding factor. With the sleeve, you are statistically most likely to lose 55% of your excess weight. The statistical liklihood therefore is that you will still be morbidly obese after having the VSG, and you will still have to take vitamins and have yearly labs done. To me, surgery for that outcome seems like a poor use of my money and time. The DS is really the only appropriate surgery for people with BMIs over 50 IMO. Look into it a little more before you decide. I believe there is also a very experienced DS surgeon in California offering reduced rates at the moment that you may want to look into. There is another board where most of the vets from this board have moved to and they could provide you a lot more helpful information. I'll send you a PM with the link. Personally, I'd avoid going to Mexico if at all possible, both for your personal safety and because we hear a lot of horror stories. The only credible surgeons I'm aware of are Aceves and Ungston, but even with them if you have complications you will have little assistance or recourse as you are out of the US. Good luck with yoru decision!
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Britt_Bearpaw
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I am just so tired of being sick and tired all the time. Sadly I only have $5,500 total to spend on a surgery. I found a surgeon that is giving me a reduced rate due to my income level, but I know I would never find a surgery here in the US for this price. I have to go out of the country if I want WLS it's just not an option for me here. I tried getting Medicaid to help me, but I have been denied since I was 15. I have been trying for 10 years, first on my dad's insurance, and then on Medicaid as I have gotten older, and heavier. Denial, denial, denial. I know surgery is the option for me, I just hope I choose the right one.
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PatXYZ
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There is a woman on the other board who has helped many, many dozens of people to get surgery through there insurance after they had been denied. She has gathered cases and information for many years and even attended hearings to help people get the surgery they need. Please, please speak with her before you make this decision! I'll send you another PM.
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Britt_Bearpaw
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Thats really amazing of her. I dont have any comorbities. I mean nothing. I am perfectly healthy inside-just very heavy. Becuase of this, they deny me. I dont have sleep apnea, high bp, diabetes, high cholesterol, nothing. I guess here in the States they wont cover you until you do get very sick, but I want this so I dont get sick in the fist place. Thank you for listening.
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PatXYZ
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The thing is, that isn't true. The standard in the states is to cover for bariatric surgery at 35 BMI if the patient has comorbidities and at a 40 BMI without comorbidities. That's right - none, nada, zip. You don't have to have comorbids to get covered for surgery by insurance! Many, many people on this board and the other board were in that situation. Please check out the other board and speak to Diana!
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MsBatt
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On January 8, 2012 at 10:43 AM Pacific Time, PatXYZ wrote:
There is a woman on the other board who has helped many, many dozens of people to get surgery through there insurance after they had been denied. She has gathered cases and information for many years and even attended hearings to help people get the surgery they need. Please, please speak with her before you make this decision! I'll send you another PM.
Do you know how to put a link in your signature?  I don't, but others do. (*grin*) Come on over!

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PatXYZ
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I have to confess I don't know how to put the link in my signature! I've been sending people PMs instead! I'm there!
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Its a Secret
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Go talk to Diana on the other board.  If Medicaid will pay for the surgery, that 5500 dollars will help you pay for 2-3 years of vites and labs.

Think a lot and cut once ::)

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a_new_mii
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 HI Britt,
i too have been SMO ...... for decades.  (445lbs)  I never did get insurance to help but, was finally able to pay for myself. (Due to some Unfortunate cir****tances)  I am also pretty poor, but with shopping and researching you can make Vite's and labs affordable. I buy vites from several sources and have discovered 

i don't have any idea what happened to the rest of my post.
ETI ... 
My labs were less than $400. It's still alot, but sooo neccessary.  We just have to tighten our belts and save for them. 

I had My Ds in April and have lost 211lbs.  I feel better than I have in sooo long!!!! 

Anyway, the rest of my post said .(para-phrased)... read read read....visit the other board. and good luck.  
PM me if you have anything I can help you with.  
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Britt_Bearpaw
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thank you all so much for the great feedback. I will definately be doing more research so I can make the best decision for me. Again, thank you.
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