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Trina Patty
Member Since: 03/06/08
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Can anyone tell me the difference (as far as the rate of losing weight) between the VSG and the lap band?  I am just curious if the weight loss rate is faster, slower or the same. What about recovery time?  how does it compare? My insurance doesn't cover the VSG at this point but I have 6 months before I can surgery anyway so I am hoping that They will cover it by then if it's a better option than the lap band.  I know I don't want the by pass and I am not looking forward to having to get the fills and unfills with the lap band.  I will if I have to but so far the VSG sounds a little easier. 
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Ros-mari
Sweden
Member Since: 08/15/07
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A Prospective Randomized Study Between

Laparoscopic Gastric Banding and Laparoscopic

Isolated Sleeve Gastrectomy:

Results after 1 and 3 Years

Jacques Himpens, MD; Giovanni Dapri, MD; Guy Bernard Cadière,MD, PhD

Department of Gastrointestinal and Obesity Surgery, European School of Laparoscopic Surgery,

Saint-Pierre University Hospital, Brussels, Belgium

Background: Laparoscopic adjustable gastric banding (GB) is the most popular restrictive procedure for obesity in Europe. Isolated sleeve gastrectomy (SG), is less common, but more invasive and with a higher learning curve. The aim of this prospective randomized study was to compare the results of GB and SG after 1 and 3 years of surgery.

Methods: 80 patient candidates for laparoscopic restrictive surgery were operated consecutively and randomly, between January and December 31, 2002, by GB (7M, 33F) or by SG (9M, 31F) (NS). Median age was 36 (20-61) for GB versus 40 (22-65) for SG (NS).

Median BMI was 37 (30-47) for GB versus 39 (30-53) for SG (NS). After 1 and 3 years: weight loss, feeling of hunger, sweet eating, gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), complications and re-operations were recorded in both groups.

Results: Median weight loss after 1 year was 14 kg (-5 to +38) for GB and 26 kg (0 to 46) for SG (P<0.0001); and after 3 years was 17 kg (0 to 40) for GB and 29.5 kg (1 to 48) for SG (P<0.0001). Median decrease in BMI after 1 year was 15.5 kg/m
2 (5 to 39) after GB and 25 kg/m2 (0 to 45) after SG (P<0.0001); and after 3 years was 18 kg/m2 (0 to 39) after GB and 27.5 kg/m2 (0 to 48) after SG (P=0.0004). Median %EWL at 1 year was 41.4% (-11.8 to +130.5) after GB and 57.7% (0 to 125.5) after SG (P=0.0004); and at 3 years was 48% (0 to 124.8) after GB and 66% (-3.1 to +152.4) after SG (P=0.0025). Loss of feeling of hunger after 1 year was registered in 42.5% of patients with GB and in 75% of patients with SG (P=0.003); and after 3 years in 2.9% of patients with GB and 46.7% of patients with SG (P<0.0001). Loss of craving for sweets after 1 year was achieved in 35% of patients with GB and 50% of patients with SG (NS); and after 3 years in 2.9% of patients with GB and 23% of patients with SG (NS). GERD appeared de novo after 1 year in 8.8% of patients with GB and 21.8% of patients with SG (NS); and after 3 years in 20.5% of patients with GB and 3.1% of patients with SG (NS). Postoperative complications requiring re-operation were necessary for 2 patients after SG. Late complications requiring re-operation after GB included 3 pouch dilations treated by band removal in 2 and 1 laparoscopic conversion to Roux-en-Y gastric bypass (RYGBP), 1 gastric erosion treated by conversion to RYGBP, and 3 disconnections of the system treated by reconnection. Inefficacy affected 2 patients after GB, treated by conversion into RYGBP and 2 patients after SG treated by conversion to duodenal switch.

Conclusion: Weight loss and loss of feeling of hunger after 1 year and 3 years are better after SG than GB. GERD is more frequent at 1 year after SG and at 3 years after GB. The number of re-operations is important in both groups, but the severity of complications appears higher in SG.

Why can't my inner fashionista and my inner feminist just get along? Ros-mari

   
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The Lap-Band leaves your entire stomach in place so as long as you chew really good (or drink lots of liquids) you will be able to get lots of food through the band and fill up the otherside of the stomach.  With the VSG you only have a 3-4 oz stomach. Once you eat 3-4 oz. you are full and you have to wait until your stomach digests that into your intestines before you can eat again.  The result is that most Lap-Banders have the ability to eat more than a VSG person and therefore have slower weight-loss. Also, when you first get the band it is not filled. It's not until about a month later that you get a fill and it could take several months until you get the right amount of fill to give you the right restriction. Meanwhile, VSG folks are losing most of their weight within the first 6-9 months.  Frankly, the whole fill thing is a pain in the butt. WIth the VSG you have it done and then you are back to a normal schedule and you forget about it. I heard someone on this board refer to her band as a "tempermental toddler" ...you never know when it's going to act up.
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DrC
Cincinnati, OH
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On April 1, 2008 at 3:42 PM Pacific Time, Trina265 wrote:
Can anyone tell me the difference (as far as the rate of losing weight) between the VSG and the lap band?  I am just curious if the weight loss rate is faster, slower or the same. What about recovery time?  how does it compare? My insurance doesn't cover the VSG at this point but I have 6 months before I can surgery anyway so I am hoping that They will cover it by then if it's a better option than the lap band.  I know I don't want the by pass and I am not looking forward to having to get the fills and unfills with the lap band.  I will if I have to but so far the VSG sounds a little easier. 
Trina, We are seeing close to 60% excess weight loss at 6 months with sleeve.  It takes our band patients about 2 years to lose that much.  So the band is definitely slower.  However it's also a lower risk operation.  I wouldn't hold your breath on insurance coverage for sleeve in 6 months.
Trace W. Curry, M.D.  -- Lap Band, Realize Band, Sleeve Gastrectomy
Cincinnati, Ohio & Northern Ky    http://www.TheBandDoctor.com   
513.559.1222 / 877.442.BAND
DISCLAIMER:  Any information contained within is meant to be general medical advice only.  Please consult your surgeon on your specific problem!
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Trina Patty
Member Since: 03/06/08
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Thanks for the response.  I would definitely love to have the VSG instead of the band, but I can't afford to self pay.  My daughter had bypass in Nove 2006 but she has had some problems and I am too big of a chicken do to that.  I won't hold my breath on the insurance but I can keep my fingers crossed. 
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faufins
San Carlos, CA
Member Since: 01/22/08
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Hey Dr. Curry! I'm Dr. C's (Cirangle) One week old patient. I just wanted to let you know that I think it's great that you check out the board once in awhile.  Bravo I LOVE MY SLEEVE!  Banana 
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LKH
CO
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There's another consideration that has bothered me about the band, and maybe you can straighten me out on this.  I am 48, and hope to live another 40 years!  Would I be able to trust the band to hold up that long, or would I be going back in for surgery again and again to have parts fixed and replaced?  I am pretty set on the sleeve anyway - I like the fact that once it's done, it's done, no fills, no fuss.  But this concern is one that I don't see discussed much, and it really did weigh on my mind.  Thanks, Dr. Curry!
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Trina Patty
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Thats exactly why I would rather have VSG in stead of the band... I don't want to have to worry about going back in for surgery to have it removed someday if something goes wrong with it. 
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Mechelle J
Manchester, KY
Member Since: 06/15/04
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Dr. C......I just read this post and it gives me hope. I lost my band due to esopheageal spasms and am terrified to get another, although the ins will pay for that or an RNY (I am already vit defecient) Does this sound like something that could be done and not be considered ins fraud? I asked to self pay the sleeve part when they removed my band that they said that would befraud.

 "I am sleeved, WITH a Lap Band.  The reason is two fold.  My insurance pays for Lap Band, but not the sleeve.   I had the lap band surgery and self paid the sleeve portion of the surgery.  $1715.00"

Mechelle Johnson
Mechelle
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding"  Proverbs 3:5
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Dawn C.
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Who said it was fraud and why?  Was it the timing of the surgeries?  Or the fact that you were having a removal at the same time. I would imagine if you want to self pay a sleeve, it wouldn't be fraud if it wasn't being done at the same time as the band removal.   My sleeve was done at the same time as the band, and I DID get the band.   If it is fraud, I was unaware, and I doubt my doctor would have risked his relationship with the insurance companies and his reputation by doing fraudulent procedures.
Dawn

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deciduousfruit
Portland, OR
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My insurance doesn't cover any bariatric treatment so I was selfpay but I've seen many comments here about appealing their insurance to accept the VSG and there's some code you need to ask them to use (there are two codes: one indicates an "experimental" procedure and the other is a bariatric procedure for the purposes of weightloss). Put a call out and I'm sure a few successful appealers will come forward with a bevy of recommendations! Kristen
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lippylulu
Staten Island, NY
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Many of us arrived at the VSG decision for the very reasons you mention.  For me it wasn't just the hassle of getting fills.  I have had many medical problems the past 1 1/2 years including 2 surgeries and several other intrusive procedures.  My therapist raised the concern that so much body intrusion might not be healthy for me psychologically and when I thought about it I realized that for me she was correct.  I also know a lot of people who lost and regained with lap Band, or had complications such as erosion, slippage, etc.  Since I have been so sick so often I decided I could not risk that complication.  Finally, I know people who have been successful with RNY and Lap, and those who cheat and either regain or cause themselves problems.  I am known as an excellent judge of character (personally and professionally) , yet I can neither predict who will or will not be successful with the traditional surgeries, nor which group I would fall into.  I feared I could end up in denial, fooling myself, sneaking the wrong foods etc. I decided that VSG minimized my ability to play head games with myself and my body as well as the post surgical risks of the other procedures.  Its a HUGE and scary decision to permanently alter a vital organ such as the stomach (someone I know who had lap band actually called it body mutilation which I found highly offensive); but one week out I am convinced it was the right decision for me.
Linda


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Trina Patty
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you seem to be doing fantastic.  I was wondering about the chances of weight regain as well.  Most people that I know with the band have not gained anything back. I guess it's too early to tell with the VSG at this point.  I know my surgeon does the VSG because he discussed it at the seminar.  I just really really wish the insurance paid for it!!!!  My husband is a disable war veteran and I have six children... 5 still at home and on of those in college... so self pay is completely out of the question!!  Good luck in your journey!!!
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lippylulu
Staten Island, NY
Member Since: 03/08/08
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Never give up! Some people have been successful with insuance, but its a long hard fight.  If your husband is a disabled veteran, I wonder if there may be a veteran's group or even a VA hospital associated with a civilian hospital which could be of help with this!  Meanwhile, try saving bits at a time.  There is a huge variability in the cost of surgery depending on where you have it.  Some people even finance it like you would another major purchase.  This is your life and health at stake, AND just think of all the money you will save on food. (Come to think of it, the food saving thing may not count considering you will need a new wardrobe. ) Anyway,  don't give up...keep hoping.... trying...and maybe look at creative options.
Linda


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Trina Patty
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Thanks for the encouragement. I have Humana insurance through my employer and Champva through my husbands VA disability.  As far as I can tell neither of them will cover the VSG.  I may call them tomorrow though and talk to them directly.  I am up to 230 pounds now at 5'4" tall.  The most I ever weighed during pregnancy was 176!!  So I am very miserable. As far as the new wardobe... I have a closet full of clothes ranging from size 8 to 18... lol... but mostly 14s.  so I will be ok for a while on that.  I will probably buy a new outfit here and there to reward myself!!  I have to do a  6 month diet management program with my PCP that I started last month so I have a few months to work on some things.  Wonder if I could talk my surgeon into practicing on me for a discount!!??  lol Up until I was 30 I was small... around 128 pounds... since then I have gained more andmore every year and my body just isn't used to the extra weight.  So I have developed high blood pressuer, hyperglycemia, metabolic syndrome, back pain, knee pain, urinary stress incontinence, and just over all fatigue.  Anyway, keep up the good work and let me know how you are doing!!  I have my first appointment with the nutritionist, therapist and nurse tomorrow. 
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LKH
CO
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I have Kaiser, and they surprised me by saying they'll cover my sleeve if my surgeon agrees it's right for me.   I was originally told they'd only cover Lap band and bypass, but then one of the clinics they use brought in a new surgeon who does the sleeve, and suddenly the story changed.  So do your homework, see if there's a surgeon in your provider network who does the sleeve, and then try to see that surgeon and be prepared to make your case with your insurance.  Lisa
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Phyllis C.
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Keep doing your research.  The band works very well for some folks but it is impossible to tell if you will be one of them until after the surgery.  I have the band but it is not working for me.  I am either getting it fixed or having the sleeve on April 17. Only you can decide what is right for you.  But if I had it to do all over again, I would self pay for the sleeve even though my ins. covered the band.  I would have avoided two years of spinning my wheels. Good luck in whatever you decide.

Phyllis
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aniduff
Red Deer, Canada
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Someone posted a study on here a bit ago...It stated that the long term success rates were better with the sleeve than with the band after 3 and 5 years out.  Wish I could remember who posted it, but I can't...Sorry.
 
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aniduff
Red Deer, Canada
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Wow, I just read your story about weight gain and such....excuse me..I think you are living my life...LOL  I am 5'4", 230 lbs, was between 128 and 135 until I was 30...then the weight just started piling on.  Please don't tell me you are going to be 45 this year...that would be freaky!!!
 
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Trina Patty
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I just turned 43 in February!!  I hope to be back around 130 by the time I turn 45.  I am going to the Bariatric center tomorrow so I am going to see what they say about the VSG..... the surgeon I am using does them.  If only I could get him to come up with a reason that I need that instead of the band!!! .  I will definitely have to work on that.!!  Keep me posted on how you are doing!!
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