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    Dollface06
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    This is a piggy back off of MM post about alcohol. I don’t understand why people make such a big deal about drinking. (Not saying that you did MM) Before I had WLS I was told I’d never be able to drink again. So, I did my research to find out why. At first I was told it would cause my pouch to expand, then I was told too many carbs, then I was told it would cause my blood alcohol level to be high and I could easily get alcohol poisoning. Well, I checked and alcohol ALONE has no carbs, only empty calories. It won’t expand your pouch but it will cause your blood alcohol level to increase.   That being said, I drink. I drink at least 3 times a week. I don’t drink any juice, soda, or mixers so my normal drink is a vodka on the rocks. And when I drink I count it as part of my caloric intake. for example, if I know I'm going to drink I skip diner so I can stay at 800 calories for the day.

    I really don’t get why people make it seem as if drinking is an abomination of WLS??? I know there’s a risk of a transfer addiction but to be honest I drink a lot less now than I did pre-WLS. This is just my opinion. Not trying to encourage anyone to drink. Its ultimately your choice.
      Just my 2 cents… nothing more nothing less…
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    adam_
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    You really shouldnt drink alcohol until you're no longer losing weight rapidly because your liver is working extremely hard right now and you don't need to put additional stress on it by drinking...

    Your liver is the last thing you want to have problems with...

    -Adam - 6'6" - From 450 lbs to GOAL in 9 months...
    Phase 1: Completed 10/2008.
    Phase 2: Weightlifting - Goal: Add 40 lbs of muscle. Completed 2/15/2011.
    Phas 3: Cut to 10% body fat.
    MY STORY:  imthebiggestloser.blogspot.com/
     

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    Dollface06
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    I never thought of it that way.
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    Chilipepper
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    I guess you can do what you want...but when you are in rapid weight loss post op...your liver is working overtime because of the large amounts of fat that are going through it...You are putting way to much stress on your liver.  Plus you say your are skipping meals to cut the calories..calories are not even something we need to really be watching early on because you should not be eating sugars or processed carbs anyway.  Protein is what you should be focusing on..90-120 gms.  If you are skipping meals to drink...then you IMO are being foolish this early out.  You are risking your health..and I am sure your surgeon would not approve of these behaviors.  Later on, you can enjoy a drink...but you are 3 months out and drink 3 vodkas a week?  When you tell your nut what your diet is...do you tell her this is what you are doing? 
    "Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect -and I don't live to be-
    but before you start pointing fingers... make sure your hands are clean!"

    — Bob Marley


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    Dollface06
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    Not yet, I will be meeting with her soon and I'm sure it will come up. I know she cant help me if I'm not honest with her so it will be addressed.

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    Rhonda13
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    On March 10, 2010 at 12:17 PM Pacific Time, Chilipepper wrote:
    I guess you can do what you want...but when you are in rapid weight loss post op...your liver is working overtime because of the large amounts of fat that are going through it...You are putting way to much stress on your liver.  Plus you say your are skipping meals to cut the calories..calories are not even something we need to really be watching early on because you should not be eating sugars or processed carbs anyway.  Protein is what you should be focusing on..90-120 gms.  If you are skipping meals to drink...then you IMO are being foolish this early out.  You are risking your health..and I am sure your surgeon would not approve of these behaviors.  Later on, you can enjoy a drink...but you are 3 months out and drink 3 vodkas a week?  When you tell your nut what your diet is...do you tell her this is what you are doing? 
    this is a good answer =)
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    So Blessed!
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     FYI

     

    Alcohol and the Gastric Bypass Patient

    by Cynthia K. Buffington, PhD

     

    INTRODUCTION

    A 32-year-old man, four months out from gastric bypass surgery, was issued a citation for driving under the influence (DUI) of alcohol shortly after leaving his brother’s wedding reception. According to the patient, he had only consumed one glass of champagne, although his blood alcohol content was above the legal limit to operate a motor vehicle (i.e., 0.08%).

    A female patient, 50 years of age and one year post-gastric bypas**** and killed a pedestrian with her automobile after having less than two glasses of wine. When police arrived, she was staggering and slurring her words and was taken into custody. Two hours later, she was still unable to maintain her balance or to speak clearly, causing officials to suspect that she had  drunk a bottle or two of wine instead of two glasses.

    Were these patients telling the truth about the amount of alcohol they had consumed, or did bariatric surgery affect the way their bodies absorb or metabolize alcohol? In order to answer these questions, we queried our gastric bypass population to identify changes in their response to alcohol since surgery. Nearly all patients surveyed (90%) claimed that they were more sensitive to alcohol postoperatively versus preoperatively. Most patients reported that they could feel the effects of alcohol after taking only a few sips of their drink. More than 25 percent of patients said that they had, on occasion, lost muscular coordination after having only one to two drinks, and several of these patients claimed that they were unable to regain control of their balance and coordination for up to two hours. Nearly five percent of the patients who completed the survey said that they have received a DUI and that the incidence had occurred in the early postoperative months and after having only one alcoholic beverage.

    These findings suggest that gastric bypass alters the absorption and/or metabolism of alcohol in such fashion as to increase alcohol sensitivity. In order to determine how gastric bypass may affect the body’s response to alcohol, we reviewed the process of alcohol absorption and metabolism in the non-surgical and gastric bypass patient. This article includes the findings and, based upon such, provides the healthcare professional suggested guidelines for patient use of alcohol post-surgery.

    ALCOHOL ABSORPTION PRE- AND POST-SURGERY

    Why would alcohol absorption be more rapid and alcohol levels higher for someone who has had a gastric bypass? When alcohol enters the stomach of someone with normal gut anatomy, some of it is metabolized in the stomach by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase in a process known as first pass gastric alcohol metabolism.[1-4] Conditions that reduce gastric metabolism of alcohol increase blood alcohol levels and its effects. Such conditions include female gender, aging, and various medications (i.e., H2 blockers and aspirin).[3-4]

    The length of time alcohol stays in the stomach also regulates blood alcohol levels by controlling the rate of absorption.[1-3] Although a small amount of alcohol is absorbed in the stomach, most is absorbed into the circulation via the small intestines. Alcohol absorption is primarily regulated by the rate that alcohol empties into the intestines from the stomach. The longer alcohol remains in the stomach, the less is absorbed and the lower the blood alcohol content is and risk for intoxication and toxicity. Food slows gastric emptying and, consequently, reduces the rate of alcohol absorption by the intestines. Conversely, alcohol consumed on an empty stomach substantially enhances absorption and increases blood alcohol content and risk for intoxication.[5,6]

    With gastric bypass, more than 95 percent of the stomach is bypassed, including the pylorus. Under these conditions, first pass alcohol metabolism is negligible because alcohol passes directly from the stomach pouch, via gravity, into the intestines where, due to the large surface area of the intestines, it is rapidly absorbed. To make matters worse, when drinking alcohol, many patients obey the postoperative dietary rule of no eating while drinking, causing alcohol to be absorbed at an even faster rate.

    A 2002 study published in the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology[7] found that gastric bypass patients have significantly higher rates of alcohol absorption and blood alcohol content than do age- and weight-matched controls. According to the study protocol, gastric bypass patients three years out from surgery and their non-surgical controls were asked to consume an alcoholic drink after an overnight fast, and blood alcohol levels were followed over time. The data showed that blood alcohol levels of the gastric bypass patients were significantly higher (about 50%) than their non-surgical counterparts and required much less time to peak (10 vs. 30 minutes). These findings may, in part, explain why, when queried, the majority of our gastric bypass patients claimed they could “feel” the effects of alcohol after having only a few sips of their drink.

    The more rapid absorption of alcohol and heightened blood alcohol levels with gastric bypass would cause the patient to “feel” the effects of alcohol after having consumed less alcohol than before their surgery. Such effects may have serious ramifications with regard to driving an automobile or performing other skilled tasks, such as operating heavy machinery, piloting a plane, or any other task that could jeopardize the safety of the individual or that of others.

    ALCOHOL METABOLISM AND TOXICITY

    In the non-surgical patient, 60 to 90 percent of alcohol that enters the body is metabolized in the liver by the alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) pathway. ADH is maximally activated by small amounts of alcohol but activity along the pathway can be reduced by an accumulation of end-products (i.e., NADH, acetaldehyde). Fasting and low calorie intake—such as occurs in the early postoperative period—as well as defects in hepatic mitochondrial function with obesity, per se, may reduce the metabolism of products of the ADH pathway, decreasing hepatic clearance of alcohol.[8-10] Furthermore, activities along the ADH pathway may be impaired by steatosis or fatty liver disease,[11] conditions that are relatively common among individuals with morbid obesity. The gastric bypass patient, therefore, may not only have higher rates of alcohol absorption, but at least in the early postoperative period, possible defects in alcohol clearance as well.

    Metabolic changes that occur with massive and rapid weight loss may also affect the amount of alcohol cleared by the liver via the microsomal ethanol metabolizing system (P4502E1).[9,10,12] Activities along this pathway are increased in association with obesity[12-14] and are induced both by alcohol intake, free fatty acids and, possibly, ketone bodies.[12] Alcohol metabolism by the microsomal ethanol metabolizing system substantially increases the risk for liver damage, while at the same time making an individual more sensitive to the toxic and cancer-promoting effects of pollutants in the air, industrial solvents (such as those in household cleaners), and certain drugs, including acetaminophen.[9,10,12]

    Alcohol use may cause hypoglycemia and, through reduction in the supply of glucose to neural tissue, cause possible neuromuscular and cognitive dysfunction, loss of consciousness, or even death.[15,16] To maintain appropriate glucose levels, the body stores sugar in the form of glycogen. Glycogen stores, however, can be depleted in a short period of time with fasting or a diet low in carbohydrates. Furthermore, alcohol reduces the process, glycogenesis, that allows sugar to be stored as glycogen.[15]

    The bariatric patient, particularly in the rapid weight loss period and if on a carbohydrate-restricted diet, may have low amounts of glycogen. Drinking alcohol could deplete glycogen stores and reduce glucose homeostasis. The body, however, has another mechanism to maintain appropriate glycemic status, gluconeogenesis, the chemical pathway that converts certain components of protein, lactic acid, and other substances into glucose. Unfortunately, alcohol also reduces the production of glucose by this process.[9,10,15]
    A decline in blood glucose usually increases the production of glucagon and certain hormones of the autonomic nervous system and hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis to restore blood glucose levels to normal by stimulating glycogenolysis or gluconeogenesis.[16,17] However, when someone drinks alcohol, the response of these hormones to a fall in blood sugar is blunted. To make matters worse, counterregulatory hormone responses to low blood sugar are also blunted or depressed in postoperative bariatric patients.[18] The bariatric patient when using alcohol may have a higher risk of becoming hypoglycemic than someone who has not had the surgery, particularly in the early postoperative period when calorie intake is substantially reduced and glycogen stores are likely to be low.[19]

    Since neural tissue requires glucose for fuel, low blood levels could adversely affect neuromuscular and cognitive functions, causing a loss of coordination and balance, slurred speech, poor vision, and confusion.[16,17] These are all conditions that mimic those associated with intoxication. The patient described in the introduction who appeared extremely intoxicated even though she had not consumed a large amount of alcohol may have been hypoglycemic. Hypoglycemia could also have possibly accounted for the loss of coordination and balance that some of our surveyed patients claim they experienced hours after drinking alcohol.

    The use of alcohol after surgery may cause irreversible brain and nerve damage, coma, and possible death by inhibiting the absorption of important vitamins, including B-complex vitamins, such as thiamin (B1) or Vitamin B12. Alcohol inhibits the absorption of thiamin and other B-complex vitamins, reduces activation of certain vitamins, and stimulates the breakdown of Vitamin A, pyridoxine, and folate.[9,10] These vitamins may already be deficient in bariatric patients because of nutrient restriction, malabsorption, or impartial digestion of foods produced by the respective surgery.20 Alcohol use, then, could compound the negative effects that bariatric surgery has on vitamin/mineral status and increase the risk for associated health problems, including neuropathy, an irreversible loss of various cognitive functions, defects in metabolism, a decrease in the body’s ability to heal, low immunity, and fatigue.[20,21]

    Alcohol has numerous other toxic effects in the body. Not only does alcohol cause liver disease, but it also negatively affects other tissues.[1,8-12,22] Alcohol’s influence on the heart includes myocarditis, cardiomyopathy, arrythmias, and increased risk for sudden death. Skeletal muscle is particularly susceptible to alcohol toxicity with loss of muscle mass and strength. Alcohol causes inflammation of the intestinal tract, gastritis, pancreatitis, acid reflux disease, and increased risk for gastric and esophageal cancers. Alcohol also causes damage—often irreversible—to neural tissue.

    ADDICTION TRANSFER

    In addition to the numerous health problems that drinking alcohol after surgery may cause, the bariatric patient should also be cautious of alcohol addiction. The prevalence of food addiction and associated eating abnormalities (i.e. binge eating, carbohydrate cravings) are high in association with obesity.[23,25] With bariatric surgery, aberrant eating behaviors are considerably improved.[18] However, individuals with addictions often transfer those addictions to yet another substance, such as alcohol.[23] Our data, presented as a poster at the 2006 meeting of the American Society for Bariatric Surgery, showed that approximately 14 percent of gastric bypass patients have increased alcohol consumption post-surgery.

    Drinking alcohol after surgery may also reduce maximal weight loss success. Alcohol has no nutrient benefits and contains high numbers of calories that may cause weight gain or prevent weight loss. For instance, one 12-ounce can of beer contains 150 calories; 3.5 ounces of wine contain 70 calories; 1.5 ounces of gin, rum, vodka, or whiskey contain between 97 and 124 calories; and 1.5 ounces of liquor contain 160 calories.

    SUGGESTED GUIDELINES

    Are there guidelines for using alcohol after surgery? Presently, there are no official guidelines that have been established pertaining to the use of alcohol after having bariatric surgery. However, based upon knowledge of changes in the absorption and metabolism of alcohol, coupled with the metabolic state of the bariatric patient at various stages postoperatively, the following suggestions are recommended:
    1.    Do NOT drink alcohol during the rapid weight loss period.
    2.    When drinking, remember that small amounts of alcohol can cause intoxication or can result in low blood glucose with serious consequences.
    3.    Do not drive or operate heavy equipment after drinking alcohol—even small amounts.
    4.    Eat if you plan to have a drink.
    5.    Make certain to take your bariatric vitamin and mineral supplements.

    References
    1.    West Virginia University School of Medicine. Alcohol Metabolism and Absorption. Available at: www.hsc.wvu.edu/som/cmed/alcohol/metabolism.htm. Access date: September 7, 2006.
    2.    Buffington CK A review of alcohol absorption and metabolism in non-surgical and bariatric surgical patients. www.barimd.com, 2005.
    3.    Sharma R, Gentry RT, Lim RT, Jr., et al. First-pass metabolism of alcohol. Dig Dis Sci 1995;40:2091–7.
    4.    Palmer RH, Frank WO, Nambi P, et al. Effects of various concomitant medications on gastric alcohol dehydrogenase and the first-pass metabolism of ethanol. Am J Gastroenterol 1991;86:1749–55.
    5.    Jones AW, Jonsson KA, Neri A. Peak blood-ethanol concentration and the time of its occurrence after rapid drinking on an empty stomach. J Forens Sci 199136:376–85.
    6.    Hahn RG, Norberg A, Jones AW. ‘Overshoot’ of ethanol in the blood after drinking on an empty stomach. Alc Alcohol 1997;32:501–5.
    7.    Klockhoff H, Naslund I, Jones AW. Faster absorption of ethanol and higher peak concentration in women after gastric bypass surgery. Br J Clin Pharmacol 2002;54:587–91.
    8.    Merck, Inc. The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy, Chapter 40. Alcohol Liver Disease. Available at: www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section4/chapter40/40a.jsp. Access date: September 7, 2006.
    9.    Lieber CS. Alcohol and the liver: Metabolism of alcohol and its role in hepatic and extrahepatic disease. Mt Sinai J Med 2000;67:84–94.
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    12.    Lieber CS. From ASH to NASH. Hepatol Res 2004;28:1–11.
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    14.    Emery MG, Fisher JM, Chien JY, et al. CYP2E1 activity before and after weight loss in morbidly obese subjects with nonalcoholic fatty liver disease. Hepatology 2003;38:428–35.
    15.    Mokuda O, Tanaka H, Haya**** et al. Ethanol stimulates glycogenolysis and inhibitis glycogenesis via gluconeogenesis and from exogenous glucose in perfused rat liver. Ann Nutr Metab 2004;448:276–80.
    16.    Mitrakou A, Ryan C, Veneman T, et al. Hierachy of glycemic thresholds for counterregulatory hormone secretion, symptoms, and cerebral dysfunction. Am J Physiol 1991;260:E67–74.
    17.    Cryer PE. Glucose counterregulation: prevention and correction in humans. Am J Physiol 1993;264:E149–55.
    18.    Guldstrand M, Ahren B, Wredling R, et al. Alteration of the counterregulatory response to insulin-induced hypoglycemia and of cognitive function after massive weight reduction in severely obese subjects. Metabolism 2003;52:900–7.
    19.    Heymsfield SB, Stevens V, Noel R, et al. Biochemical composition of muscle in normal and semistarved human subjects: Relevance to anthropometric measurements. Am J Clin Nutr 1982;36:131-42.
    20.    Malinowski SS. Nutritional and metabolic complications of bariatric surgery. Am J Med Sci 2006;331:219–25.
    21.    Gollobin C, Marcus WY. Bariatric beriberi. Obes Surg 2002;12:309–11.
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    FabBy50 .
    Everett, WA
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    i'm not against drinking, but my concern is that you are skipping a meal to drink. Your body needs all of the important nutrients to help you heal and be healthy. If you are going to drink, don't skip your food, it is not in your best interest.

    Good luck!
    Bernadette
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    Jenna Lynn
    Duodenal Switch (10/19/09)
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    And when I drink I count it as part of my caloric intake. for example, if I know I'm going to drink I skip diner so I can stay at 800 calories for the day.

    In addition to Adam's excellent point about stress on your liver during the rapid weight loss phase, this comment is troublesome. At your early stage, with your tiny pouch, how are you possibly getting enough nutrients that you can afford to skip a meal and drink alcohol instead?! I'm a month ahead of you and have a 5 ounce sleeve, and I could never get in my daily requirements by skipping a meal.


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    Rachel P.
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    I drank Friday night, it doesn't take as much to get a buzz (like 1.5 short rocks glasses) this was the first time I really drank an entire drink (ketel one or absolut vodka & cranberry) I will say I didn't drive & I got wild-the main point of going out! LOL I had not thought about the liver side of it though. Be careful & be happy you didn't get reemed by some of the nazi's on here! Good Luck!
                
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    Pumpkin X .
    Califreakinfornia , CA
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    On March 10, 2010 at 12:31 PM Pacific Time, Smache wrote:
    I drank Friday night, it doesn't take as much to get a buzz (like 1.5 short rocks glasses) this was the first time I really drank an entire drink (ketel one or absolut vodka & cranberry) I will say I didn't drive & I got wild-the main point of going out! LOL I had not thought about the liver side of it though. Be careful & be happy you didn't get reemed by some of the nazi's on here! Good Luck!
    Nazi really ?

    You're kind of a dumbFUCK and was your surgery in 09 too, cause if it was then your also an IDIOT.
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    Mary V.
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    I'm LMAO! Loved your response, even if it was a bit harsh. Don't think I could've been quite as bold, but, gotta give you credit...the DF remark was the icing on the cake, cake being the IDIOT comment.

    I'm still laughing! We do get to read some doozies in here. It's my opinion, and I'll reiterate, it's my opinion that if you're going to have any type of WLS, you have chosen a path that is supposed to aim towards a healthy lifestyle. I hope whoever is choosing alcohol (even occassionally), reads this page and makes better choices. I have to admit, it has opened my eyes to some negative possibilities.
    Mary V.'s new lifelong journey has begun!                    
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    Pumpkin X .
    Califreakinfornia , CA
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    And this was me being nice. Come on over to the R&R forum. That's where I do some of my BEST work. I love to get my ***** on.

    www.obesityhelp.com/forums/rantsandraves/a,messageboard/


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    FastFingers ~*~
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    Calling someone else a Nazi is not only extremely offensive, but it will also NOT make your drinking at five months post op any less stupid or dangerous in regards to your own health.

                                       Flying Spagetti Monster

    "Doubt everything.  Find your own light."
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    Lalocaweta
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    Here is my personal take on alcohol and the wls person. Many of us who have wls had an addiction to food and used food as a coping mechanism for stress, sadness, relationship issues, undiagnosed mental illnesses, etc. Now that we have had surgery - we are no longer able to use that substance (food) as a coping mechanism.
    What usually happens with people in this type of situation is as your said, an addiction transfer. The transfer maybe to shopping, exercise, sex, alcohol, drugs, gambling, etc.
    I transferred my addiction from food to alcohol. It did not happen overnight. I went back to an occassional drink at about 4 months out. And slowly it progressed to where by May 2009 I was drinking a liter of vodka almost daily. I came very close to killing myself with the alcohol.  I chose to go into treatment.
    Now, as 12 months of sobriety is coming up - I have come to terms that I never should have drunk again and that I had to (and have) found new coping mechanisms and dealt with a lot of unresolved issues.
    I don't deny you are probably drinking less then you did pre-WLS. But, so did I - at the beginning.
    "Patriots always talk of dying for their country but never of killing for their country." - Bertrand Russell
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    Plum1967
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    Just curious....

    Does your surgeon "approve" of you skipping meals (and by assumption, protein and nutrients) to consume alcohol?

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    Dollface06
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    Wendy,

    He doesn't know. and if he did, I seriously doubt he would approve. But let's not sit here and pretend that "our surgeons" know every once of everything we consume! Even if you report to yours in that fashion I do not! I will be meeting with my NUT later on this month and we will discuss this though.

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    Our Lady of the Holy
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    Yes, and while you're discussing with the nut, you may want to have her explain to you that alcohol is ALL carbs. Alcohol is metabolized into sugar, which is a carb. . . therefore, alcohol is all carbs.

    Think of it this way. Is it protein? Nope. Fat? Nope. What does that leave? Carbs.

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    Cris M.
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    Personally I feel everyone can make up their own minds on alcohol. But, my mother in law was down this past weekend and I gave her the 4 bottles of wine  that I have had for almost a year now.  I did not have this surgery (tool) to be going against its purpose.  To each their own but for me....DONT NEED IT, DONT WANT IT....end of story.
                    
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    Dollface06
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    Thats fine for you, but I'm curious as to what is "going against its purspose"? it's empty calories. no sugars, no carbs. I don't drink juice, soda, or mixers, so what harm exactly am I doing to my tool? I totally agree.. to each thier own!
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