Recent Topics
Pre-Op Curiosity
Jessica44 · 2 replies · 43 views
No more BP meds!
Amy K. · 3 replies · 38 views
Wait period to see Surgeon?
Leo123 · 0 replies · 40 views
Most Active
People are rude
nikki050 · 62 replies · 1526 views
Ridiculed in public
shining_starre · 46 replies · 2338 views
Rushing
magoo1017 · 46 replies · 1491 views

Sample menus with protein from actual food?

VictoriousSecret
on 11/26/10 7:45 pm
Does anyone know of a source that has sample daily menus for RNY patients that would be within our volume constraints but also provide adequate protein through food?  I'm looking for something that does not rely on protein shakes, powders, bullets, etc.  Thought I'd ask the experts first because I didn't turn any up while looking around.

     

Temporarily holding on losing more because I'm gaining!  Pregnant with my first baby (a boy!) due June 2013, after two rounds of IVF.  SO GRATEFUL!

Ladytazz
on 11/26/10 7:55 pm
I don't think you would be able to eat enough to get all your protein unless you added unflavored protein powder to your food. I am 4 months out and I still do 2 shakes a day. I know I hated them at first but I have been playing around with sugar free puddings and syrups and I am actually enjoying my shakes now.
VictoriousSecret
on 11/26/10 9:10 pm
I am currently using a lot of the unflavored powders, but I've also read that if too much of your protein comes from powders, your body doesn't really accept it.  Not sure if that's true, but I'm interested to see if it's possible to get the appropriate amount of protein just from food.

     

Temporarily holding on losing more because I'm gaining!  Pregnant with my first baby (a boy!) due June 2013, after two rounds of IVF.  SO GRATEFUL!

poet_kelly
on 11/26/10 9:21 pm - OH
That's not true.  You actually absorb protein from whey isolate protein powder very well.

However, it is possible to get enough from food once you get further out.  A month out, I don't see how you possibly could.

Kelly
VictoriousSecret
on 11/26/10 9:47 pm
Well, I'm not really asking about now.  Right now I'm putting unflavored protein powder in everything and still needing protein shakes and protein bullets to meet my goal.  I'm less than 2 weeks out.  I was thinking long-term.  :) 

     

Temporarily holding on losing more because I'm gaining!  Pregnant with my first baby (a boy!) due June 2013, after two rounds of IVF.  SO GRATEFUL!

poet_kelly
on 11/27/10 8:27 am - OH
Long term you can.  I do shakes some days but often not.

On a "no shake" day, I might do something like this:

breakfast - egg with cheese - 15 grams

snack - fruit

lunch - vegetarian chili - 15 grams

snack - greek yogurt - 15 grams

dinner - some sort of beans - 10 grams

snack - cheese and a couple pretzels - 10 grams

total= 65 grams

Note that those bullets contain mostly collagen protein and we dont' really absorb that so they aren't helping you.

Kelly
VictoriousSecret
on 11/27/10 10:23 am
That is super disappointing about the bullets.  They say whey isolate protein... is that not the same?  Here's the type I get (disgusting, but for so little liquid, it's 42 g of protein):

http://www.amazon.com/Bullet-Nutrition-Protein-Berry-Shots/dp/B0034KO4NW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1290882180&sr=8-1-spell

     

Temporarily holding on losing more because I'm gaining!  Pregnant with my first baby (a boy!) due June 2013, after two rounds of IVF.  SO GRATEFUL!

poet_kelly
on 11/27/10 11:28 am - OH
They say they have a little whey isolate and you will absorb that.  But they have a lot more collagen and that does not have all the amino acids we need and you won't absorb it.  The little bit of whey isolate in them is not really worth bothering with.

Kelly
4catz
on 11/26/10 8:59 pm
I don't know of any source either.  I had thought I could get in all my required protein in a day from just food and I tried.  I can get the required 60g a day with just food but I find if I get 80 - 100 a day I feel better and have more energy to do the workouts I do.  I ended up ginving in and I have one scoop of chochlate protein in my morning coffee.  I was finding that most proteins I drank made me gag by the end of a container of it.  I just recently found one at GNC that is Wehey Protein Isolate.  It gives me 28g per scoop.  I find that one a day works for me.  I drink it in my first cup and then have a real cup after that.  I do try to get most of my protein through natural food as that what my surgeon wants but he thinks the one a day supplement is also a good idea.  Good luck and welcome to the loosers bench.  Elena
            
Surgery Weight: 275
VictoriousSecret
on 11/26/10 9:35 pm
Thanks.  I'm pretty confident I'll need to keep up the shakes, but I wanted to see if there was another way available.  The problem with me is that the sugar-free products- all the syrups, packets, etc. - taste really awful.  Sickly sweet and fake.  I never liked them pre-op and now that I'm so newly out of surgery, everything tastes weird still.  They're even sweeter than usual.  I have been drinking some watered down crystal lite that is agreeing with me, but I haven't yet found a protein shake I wanted to finish. 

     

Temporarily holding on losing more because I'm gaining!  Pregnant with my first baby (a boy!) due June 2013, after two rounds of IVF.  SO GRATEFUL!

paranoidmother21
on 11/26/10 10:59 pm - Lake Zurich, IL
RNY on 12/16/09 with
I had the same issue with things being waaaayyyy too sweet for the first couple months.  Now my taste buds have settled down, and it's easier to make things tasty.

Hang in there - you're asking good questions.
Rebecca
Circumferential LBL, anchor TT, BL/BR, brachioplasty 12-16-10 Drs. Howard and Gutowski

Thigh lift 3-24-11, Drs. Howard and Gutowski again!
Height 5' 5".  Start point 254.  DH's goal: 154.  My guess: 144.  Insurance goal: 134.  Currently bouncing around 130-135.
      
FOXYBROWN MAMA
on 11/27/10 2:29 am
RNY on 05/26/10 with
 I'm just six months out and had the same issue with protein drinks.  I started out using Nectar.  I got so sick of it so I stopped and started using GNC's Whey Isolate Protein Powder.  I love it now.  I mix it with one scoop of vanilla, one single packet of instant coffee and skim milk.  I use a 28 oz blender bottle.  Best investment EVER!!!  You have to mix the coffee with a little warm water to dilute it first.  I get in about 55 grams of protein from that one shake.  if I don't get in enough protein the rest of the day, I have another one.  I take to work those little PB cups with a few crackers, cheese sticks etc...  I also eat salads with cheese, meat and egg.
 

 "'I'm selfish, impatient, and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I'm out of control and at times I'm hard to handle...but if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best."-- Marilyn Monroe

    
Jessie K.
on 11/27/10 3:50 am
I don't know if you've heard of it yet but Unjury makes a protein chicken broth, I tried it at the nutritional class that I had to attend for surgery. It really is quite good, and I bet that it would be a welcome change to all the sweet stuck that it sounds like you're getting sick of. Good luck!
mypookiesma
on 11/26/10 10:12 pm - SC
I have been doing protein puddings.  I make up a box of sugar free instant pudding with 1% milk and add a couple of scoops of unflavored protein.  A great treat and good protein.  I purchased Any Whey unflavored protein from netrition.com.  I like it.
VictoriousSecret
on 11/27/10 10:26 am
I actually don't mind protein pudding, but I just wrote a long blog post on my profile about this... I'm frustrated because sf ff pudding will not set if made with soy milk or almond milk.  I'm lactose intolerant so I figure it could only be worse post-op.  I'm avoiding real milk like the plague because I worry what horrors will come in the bathroom if I have any.  Yogurt has always worked for me and still does, but real milk is a killer.

     

Temporarily holding on losing more because I'm gaining!  Pregnant with my first baby (a boy!) due June 2013, after two rounds of IVF.  SO GRATEFUL!

Winnie_the_Pooh
on 11/27/10 2:47 am
RNY on 06/08/11 with
"WLS for Dummies" has sample menus for all stages and all types of surgery (RNY soft, sleeve soft, etc.).  There are also recipes for the different levels as well.  There is also a "WLS for Dummies Cook book" which has a lot of  smoothie and WLS friendly recipies in it.

 Winnie

 

VictoriousSecret
on 11/27/10 10:26 am
Thanks!  I actually have that and have not gotten that far yet- I greatly appreciate it!!

     

Temporarily holding on losing more because I'm gaining!  Pregnant with my first baby (a boy!) due June 2013, after two rounds of IVF.  SO GRATEFUL!

Elizabeth N.
on 11/27/10 7:33 am - Burlington County, NJ
Hmm, let's see. You need what, about 75 grams of protein per day? Or are you doing 100 grams?

The only way to do it all with food, especially as early out as you are, would be to graze on protein all day. You'd have to toss that "three meals and a snack" thing out of your mind. Heck, I'm four years out from my DS and do it by grazing still.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that you could eat every other hour and that you'd do about a third of a cup of protein food each time, at least of the denser stuff. Here's a sample of 75 grams of protein, each item being consumed on the two hour interval:

4 oz. Greek style yogurt-10 grams; 1/4 c. soy nuts-10 grams; 2 oz. by weight roast beef-15 grams; 2 oz. by weight good Cheddar cheese-15 grams; 2 egg whites-10-15 grams; 2 oz. by weight of excellent quality deli chicken or turkey-15 grams.

You'll notice that you're basically eating nothing but protein. That's one reason why supplements are so desperately important. You are not going to have enough space to eat a meat, a veggie and a starch for a very long time.

So, I believe that it's entirely possible to get your protein in from food, but especially in the early times when restriction is still intense, you have to be willing to live on pretty much just those foods. DSers have to do this, too. Later there will be more room to add other foods, but not for quite some time for most people.
VictoriousSecret
on 11/27/10 8:02 am
Thank you for responding.  I'm sorry- I think my question did not make it clear that I am asking for long-term solutions.  Right now, I'm basically living off of protein shakes and yogurt or hummus with unflavored protein mixed in. 

I'm asking the question not because I want permission to graze or cheat (this is what I meant in my original question by "within our volume constraints" although I now see that's not clear).  I'm asking because my surgeon states I must get 70 g of protein per day, and that "protein from food is preferable to protein from powders".  Protein powders are on my allowable foods list, and are basically the only thing I can have at this early stage that has more protein than greek yogurt.  I was asking for my long-term plans, and wondering if I'd be able to get enough protein just from food. 

     

Temporarily holding on losing more because I'm gaining!  Pregnant with my first baby (a boy!) due June 2013, after two rounds of IVF.  SO GRATEFUL!

Elizabeth N.
on 11/27/10 9:25 am - Burlington County, NJ
Ah okay, I follow now :-). My advice is basically similar, though. If you want to get your protein from food ASAP, it's going to involve that kind of "grazing."

Later, when you are able to eat something more resembling "real meals," basically you need to look at your animal source protein (meat, fish, fowl, cheese) as 7 grams protein per ounce. So 3 oz. of, say, roast beef is going to be about 20 grams of protein. If you want to use deli meats, you need to read the labels very carefully and choose those that have the fewest fillers and the closest to 7 grams protein per ounce. Use real, high quality cheese and not processed cheese food, because that stuff has much less protein per ounce.

So, let's say later on you do 6 oz. Greek yogurt for breakfast = 15 grams, tuna salad with 3 oz. tuna at lunch = 20 grams, dinner with 3 oz. of some kind of flesh = 20 grams. That's 75 grams of protein for the day. (Tuna and meat are oz. by weight, yogurt oz. by volume.) That's basically how it works to get your protein in from food. You read the labels carefully and measure your portions. Then you build the rest of your meal around your protein choice with an eye toward total calories, or if you prefer, toward a certain number of total grams of carbs and fat for the day.

Another way to learn how to do this is to use the diabetic exchange plan, which can be found easily via Google on a bazillion different sites.