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    uticacute
    Utica, NY
    Member Since: 10/08/07
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    When I came to this site 4 years ago I was looking for information, I wanted to ask questions and get honest answers. I found that, however, I also found opinions, surgery wars and negativity...so I stopped coming. I was successfull ...I lost 207 pounds, I attended my local support group (which I now lead), but something was missing...instant gratification maybe.... being able to jump online at any hour and know someone would answer or understand and hopefully be kind. I don't live in a fairy tale world I know that life is hard, but I half expected people on a support website would be ...I don't know supportive??? Well as time went on I slipped on the rules and put down my tool in favor of some old comfortable habits and gained 40 pounds ...I am back in control and have lost 10 and will continue till I lose 20 or so more. I have come back here looking for that support again...The enviroment still seems a bit hostile, but I know there are more good people here than bad...I am going to stay and try to be the change I wish to create!!!

    Always looking for positive individuals in my life.... Friend me or accept my friend request if you are one of those people!!!

    Thank You,
    Melissa
    The journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step!!!



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    M M
    Member Since: 03/08/07
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     There are thousands of good, supportive lurkers here.

    Many are afraid to post.

    We have to make this a safe place.
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    uticacute
    Utica, NY
    Member Since: 10/08/07
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    I used to recommend this site to my support group all the time...now not so much. It is an amazing resource that I would like to feel proud promoting again!!! If we could get people to commit to one positive post a day we could turn it around... I know we could!!!
    WHo will commit to one positive post a day??? Alone we can do nothing, but together we can make this site what it was intended to be....Supportive!!!!
    Melissa
    The journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step!!!



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    EVERHOPEFUL New
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    The whole Facebook thing kindof ruined our spirits:(  I am trying to build up that excitement again, because I too, miss what this site once was.
                
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    Gina (Tx)
    Joshua, TX
    Member Since: 11/12/01
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    MELISSA-I have come back to your thread 3 times, this morning, trying to decise if I should respond or not. I finally decided I SHOULD, or I'd probably never read another one of your threads, and I don't want to be "that way".

    I am finding it difficult not to be offended by your post. It's as if you came into my house and told me to clean it up. Some of us have remained here-WITHOUT A BREAK-for many, many years-remaining SUPPORTIVE and NON-HOSTILE, and I resent someone-anyone using generaliztions to imply otherwise.

    If I am being too sensitive, the so be it..but if I don't TELL you how I feel, then it's MY fault.

    I am DEFINENTLY not a "fairy farts and rainbows" poster--ask anyone who knows me--I don't pat Flintstone chewers on the head, but I don't belittle people or unneccessarily poke tigers and dead horses either. I am a hospice nurse. I know real DRAMA-and this message board AIN'T it.

    I agree the site is evolving..AGAIN..but it's not all bad..there will always be freaks..it is what it is..there will always be people who come and go...and come and go..and they all need us, on some level

    It is impossible to fully interpret the "tone" in a written word. Perhaps I took yours to heart too much. Perhaps I am more "loyal" to OH than I should be. I know I am in the minority when I say I don't give a rat's azz about the whole FB fiasco-but that is ME ME ME. But I still feel offended when people come back into "our house", and presume to tell me how to "behave". I am 54 years old. I'm about as cultured as I'm gonna get.

    You seem like a person I could really enjoy getting to know. Your success is awesome. Re-gain can absolutely be Re-lost. I am an "expert" on that one.

    Please take all this in the tone it was intended. Does any of make any sense?

     

    I have now completed two half-marathons. "The first to cross to FINISH line is not the ONLY winner-so is everyone who has the COURAGE to cross the START line"

    (Not my quote-I stole it from a tee shirt!)

    340/170.0 and HEALTHY

    pw/current wt  **Certified OH Support Group Leader*

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    Kim S.
    Helena, AL
    Member Since: 08/15/08
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    Gina.  Bravo. I am sending you a friend request today!

    Melissa, what I am about to say is in no way directed as an insult to you.  I respect each individuals right to post whatever they want...whether I agree or not.  And believe me, after 3+ years on these boards, I've agreed and disagreed plenty.

    I am very tired of the "be nice and play kindly" posts.  That cannot be accomplished with a post.  That is as easy for some as asking them to change their eye color.  For you see, what you find "not nice" is not "not nice" by their definition.

    OH is not nor will it ever by a homogenized, one size fits all safe zone for all to exist in peace and harmony.  The world in general is not, and OH is just a tiny slice of "the world".  I do not want to agree with everyone, nor do I want to be told "what I want to hear".  I read many posts and take from them what I need or want.  And, the ones that I believe are just bat-**** crazy and no longer amuse me, I simply B L O C K.

    There are many on these boards for whom I have great respect.  I know what I get when I interface with them.  We may not always agree, but we have respect for each others right to be here and say what we want to say.  What bothers me the most is not the petty "wars" and "disagreements" but the complete mis-information that is doled out by some that could truly harm someone if their advice is followed.  However, in most cases I do not intervene and if I do, I do it via PM.

    There are many boards here that are (in my opinion) pretty drama free.  My state board (although most have left it), the Exercise forum and the RNY forum to name a few.

    In the years I've been here it is for several purposes.  To gain information, to share my experience and to offer a shoulder or a guiding hand or some tough love to someone that might need it, AND THEY ASKED FOR IT BY POSTING ON A PUBLIC FORUM.

    Coming to any Internet forum and offering a post with a list of "conditions" attached as to what you deem "acceptable" in responses is like going to the doctor when you are sick and telling him/her what you will and will not tolerate as a diagnosis.

    I welcome you here, and will gratefully accept a friend request from you and will promise to always share exactly how I feel about something, but I do not promise to do so in a manner dictated to me as "this is how I will accept your response".

    Have a wonderful day.
                  
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    uticacute
    Utica, NY
    Member Since: 10/08/07
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    Kim,
    I have so much respect for individuals who speak their mind with no fear...I like to think I am one of those people (I often describe myself as being born without a filter, so that may not be the same thing). I am not so naïve that I think that any public community forum can be without negativity, I just wonder why sometimes people seem so hurtful/hateful, but that is my interpretation and as you stated the individual writing the comment may think that their statements are more appropriate than I do. My intention in writing that post was to try to be the change I wished to see...I guess in my desire to put a positive message out there and encourage others to be more supportive, I became what I was fighting against. I admit that I was a bit over zealous and should have acknowledged all that is positive about this site instead of making generalizations. If I offended I am truly sorry!!!

    Melissa
    The journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step!!!



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    Kim S.
    Helena, AL
    Member Since: 08/15/08
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    No offense whatsoever!  I love the concept and applaud your effort to be an example of what you want to see on the boards....and I try to do that to.  But asking the world of the Internet to "be nice and supportive" is useless.....because those are defined so differently by each person.

    I hope you will continue to be active and speak your mind, filter or not!  I have seen many of your posts and value your input.  We can continue to read in amazement some of the things we see as hurtful and hateful and I guess feel some pity for those that have to stoop so low as to hurt someone else just to make themselves feel better.  THAT is a sad place to be in life.

    Keep fighting the good fight and participating!  Your voice is important and valued.
                  
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     Kim :
    You are one of the MOST leveled headed souls here!
     I agree with you and feel almost your every word you write in my soul . Yes,  we can't always agree and  not one size fits all for peace and harmony .  I so agree!  But , man oh man  the "Lines and Boundaries" tat some cross is  CRAZY  and  not OK !!!!  We have all witnessed in here .  I respect so many on the boards and in chat . I agree ,  Surgery Wars are petty! How ever  some measures  need to be provided to stop   some of the nonsense  and  create a  community that feels safe  for every one. 

     Drama exists in life, I try to avoid it . We all may need a dose of tuff love , we may ask for it  when we need to get  "back on track", I so agree!  How ever , a FEW  have gotten alittle over board in chat and on the boards.  Kim ,  I am so Glad you have ever been the one   on the  wrong end of the stick  of  the vile and venom &  some of there nastiness Like Anne GG and  others.  Some people  can't say  "hello" with out being  cut to shred's ... was my point in my post .

    Kim  I so enjoy your  Posts ! You have the gift of such grace, your posts  are  written  with love for your  fellow Human full of  kindness and  Heart.  There is a difference  between the so called "Rainbows and Fairy Dust" and kindness and heart.  Your  Godly convictions  Shines thru every post you write. There has never been a time that I not read your post and  felt   the same! We seem to  be singing the same song in the same  book on the  page!  You have the gift of writing it far better then I ever could dream off thou!  :) 

    Thank you for your  Witness  , Wisdom   always mixed with Kindness and Humor.    
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    Gina (Tx)
    Joshua, TX
    Member Since: 11/12/01
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    Thanks, KIM-I have admired you for a long time (*gasp*..cyber stalker..). I happily accepted your friend request

     

    I have now completed two half-marathons. "The first to cross to FINISH line is not the ONLY winner-so is everyone who has the COURAGE to cross the START line"

    (Not my quote-I stole it from a tee shirt!)

    340/170.0 and HEALTHY

    pw/current wt  **Certified OH Support Group Leader*

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    uticacute
    Utica, NY
    Member Since: 10/08/07
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    Gina,
    Let me start by saying that my post was meant to be positive and I am truly sorry if I offended you. I never intended to make sweeping generalizations; I was posting on my observations over the last several months. I never really left OH, but I certainly stopped responding to posts I felt were offensive, in saying that, now I realize I should have been leaving the person being attacked a positive post instead of not saying a word. I hoped that my post would rally the positive people to be more vocal.... Positivity begets positivity... I did not wish to offend!!!
    I respect you very much for telling me how you feel and I Thank You for reminding me that the written word does not always translate the way we hope it will.

    On another note, I have done hospice counseling as well and found it very rewarding...you are very lucky to do what you do; sharing someone’s final days with them is indeed a gift like no other.
    The journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step!!!



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    Gina (Tx)
    Joshua, TX
    Member Since: 11/12/01
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    MELISSA-thank you for taking the time to respond. I look forward to getting to know you.

    but--I have to warn you....I suck at singing "Kum-ba-ya"...lol..so don't ask! 

     

    I have now completed two half-marathons. "The first to cross to FINISH line is not the ONLY winner-so is everyone who has the COURAGE to cross the START line"

    (Not my quote-I stole it from a tee shirt!)

    340/170.0 and HEALTHY

    pw/current wt  **Certified OH Support Group Leader*

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    uticacute
    Utica, NY
    Member Since: 10/08/07
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    Gina,
    Gotcha no *** ba-ya moments!!!
    Melissa
    The journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step!!!



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    MsBatt
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    On February 9, 2012 at 7:24 AM Pacific Time, uticacute wrote:

    Gina,
    Let me start by saying that my post was meant to be positive and I am truly sorry if I offended you. I never intended to make sweeping generalizations; I was posting on my observations over the last several months. I never really left OH, but I certainly stopped responding to posts I felt were offensive, in saying that, now I realize I should have been leaving the person being attacked a positive post instead of not saying a word. I hoped that my post would rally the positive people to be more vocal.... Positivity begets positivity... I did not wish to offend!!!
    I respect you very much for telling me how you feel and I Thank You for reminding me that the written word does not always translate the way we hope it will.

    On another note, I have done hospice counseling as well and found it very rewarding...you are very lucky to do what you do; sharing someone’s final days with them is indeed a gift like no other.
    See how easy it is to offend without meaning to?

    As someone born without a filter, I'm sure you value plain speech. Just keep in mind that what's plain speech to you might be highly offensive or hurtful to someone else---and vice versa.
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    AnneGG
    Member Since: 05/31/10
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    Beth, I heart you, I think you are the best, I can't wait to meet you on the cruise! I acknowlege and exalt the way you make a difference!!!
    Anne
    "What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls the butterfly."

    "Support fosters your growth. If you are getting enough of the right support, you will experience a major transformation in yourself. You will discover a sense of empowerment and peace you have  never before experienced. You will come to believe you can overcome your challenges and find some joy in this world." Katie Jay

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    M M
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    That kind of KARMA?

    BAHAHAHA.  


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    Agree !

     Many wonderful, Good Supportive  Lurkers  are afraid to post . But we are HERE for you ! :)    This site needs to GO BACK the COMMUNITY  it was  several years ago!  I have been thru   HELL   on this  site the last few years  by  the hands of a FEW !  BTW , This reply may Go  POOF !  And be Moderated. But at least  you may have a clue to  whats gone on while yu were gone!  PLEASE  stay!  Please post!  People WILL support you!  Many of us still truly care ... even if we are in  the shadows.... That may be the only place some of us feel SAFE  any more.   

    I Agree  MM  ! YES , they have to make this place less aggressive  and  make it be and  feel more   SAFE!   Many have left because of the ABUSE and  not feeling SAFE  After  being REPEATEDLY bashed over small, silly,  unnecessary  petty things... come On Grammar  ( with out spell check I'd be up a creek ! ) , typos peoples personal choices in Their life's ,  The  Haters  would  spew endless  crap  that was not needed to be said  nor any ones business  !  SAD,  this is a SUPPORT SITE!  I Truly believe  OH is moving towards  making  it safer  across the board for every one.  Changing the TOS , stronger Moderation, etc. 

    I hide in the shadows , like many others.  The truth is  many  hide because  of " negative reinforcement"  at the hands of a FEW Fellow OH Members via allowed bullying  ,agression, abuse , etc  . You touch a HOT Stove and get Burnt enough.... You won't touch the stove ..or "POST ". That is  SAD especially when  most of us that have suffered  .. at the hands of the  few HATERS when we posted  only trying  to be KIND and Supportive  or asked a question or tried o help some one that did ask a question. " HATERS  HATED and HURT " & "BULLIES  BULLY " ,  MM stated this clearly last week, I stayed out of that thread  because of what I have gone thru on this site... Both In the Chat Room  and the Boards. My Heart Broke for Her!  And does when any one is so badly  "Hated on ", "Bashed" or "Bullied"!   

     Many lurkers crawl into the shadows for  Self Preservation ! This DEFEATS a SUPPORT SITE !  Now let's talk about ...SAD!  

    Many WONDERFUL People here care..  Please Keep Posting.     
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    Karen-Adventure
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    Recently I read an opinion post and the people replying were so hostile.  I don't know what happened.  I used to find this site so positive but now I am not sure it is safe to post anymore.  I think when someone posts an opinion that is simply what it is.  I was taught opinions are like a**H**** everyone has one.  It doesn't mean they should be the target of everyone who doesn't agree.  A simple I don't agree and why is enough.  Personal attacks need to stop.
            
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     Agree, NO reason why  folks can't be civil , in life we will not always agree. Life would be BORING if we were all the same!  If we always agreed  there be  no  variety in life.   But if we don't agree or strongly disagree  the least we can do is be  Civil!  We can show respect , and agree to disagree as Adults!  We can chose to say nothing!  I have seen  some treated in a HOSTILE manner  needlessly. Whats even more crazy   some  enlist  others OH members to  join in the hostility?  This is a support Site!  In Life I believe In  trying to be kind . On a support site ... one would .. think ...      
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