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    Ashley1187
    Member Since: 02/09/12
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     Ok..so Im scheduled for surgery soon for the VSG but I'm having a hard time coping with the fact that I'm losing my ability to eat or to be able to pig out later on in life. I know it's just a mental thing but I don't want to be the one who eats like a bird for the rest of my life. I've been reading lots of forums and I've been educating myself about this surgery and the awesome outcomes. My biggest thing is, you are on a liquid diet after surgery and then 3oz after that. Do you really need the surgery? Wouldn't the weight loss come off just as quick without the surgery? I'm thinking I can just eat 3oz, no surgery, and it would do the trick either way....please help me!
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    mkbeany
    Member Since: 03/07/07
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    You're the only one that can make the decision...and answer those questions.

    Don't know what you weigh but I weighed 355. Dieting had not worked. I was sick and tired. I was diagnosed with Diabetes.

    Fast forward 2 1/2 years.
    I'm happy and healthy. I just finished up Plastics to get my body fixed.
    I eat what I want, bacon, butter, cheese, steak...in moderation.
    I stay away from sugar.
    The only regret I have is waiting so long to do it...because I was afraid and because I didn't want to give up food.

    First few months were hard.

    No one said it would be easy.

    Take a good look inside.

    If you are not ready to make the commitment to this lifestyle change, well...shelve the surgery and get some help.
    "And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. " -- Anais Nin

    Revised from Band to Bypass 10/26/09
    High Wt 355/ Surgery Wt 343 (BMI 61) / Current Wt 190 on 3/17/12

    TT/Fleur De Lis 8/22/11
    Mastopexy and Brachioplasty 12/14/11
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    macortiz
    MI
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    If I could have acheived what I've acheived to date without the aid of surgery, I would have done it. However, that wasn't the case. The gastric bypass was a tool. I had to do all the other work (i.e. excercise, watch my intake, etc.). I, too, had the same thoughts and feelings about food as you have currently, and to be honest...my thought process was pretty diluted.

    I still enjoy a variety of foods and snacks. I've found some subsitutions for sweet stuff. The gastric bypass gave me a great tool that I have no choice but to acknowledge because it is really clear when communicating with me. I didn't have that before. I'd just eat and eat and eat, and bond with my remote.

    The liquid diet isn't attractive, and it's not a big deal. You'll find you graduate to different food levels quickly. You won't eat like a bird. They peck and poke the ground, eat bugs, worms and seeds. They also regurge to feed their kids, I believe. So no, you won't eat like a bird.


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    Ashley1187
    Member Since: 02/09/12
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     Thank you for your posts.. I weigh 299 Pds and got told that I'm borderline diabetic. I don't have a gallbladder and I think that is where most of my weight gain came from and also poor eating habits. I want to lose the weight so bad but yet it is sooo difficult without this surgery. I also was reading up and found out that you get hair loss. That scares me the most. I have fine hair but lots of it and I love my hair! Is there something I can do to prevent this? I'm just scared but I think with having support, I can make it through this.
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    JerseyMom
    Pequannock, NJ
    Member Since: 10/24/05
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    Hey Ashley:

    Your fears are completely understandable.  I think if you can answer one question for yourself, though, that will help your decision:

    Would you rather be healthy and happy or would you rather eat a cake?

    Your answer very well might be "I want to eat a cake" and no one should judge you for it.  And I think that would be your answer as to whether or not to follow through with surgery.

    It is not the case that you cannot eat anything for the rest of your life.  But you will have to eat in moderation, which is what we all should do, anyhow!  If you want cake post-surgery, you can have a bite or two.  Chances are, that will satisfy you.  I personally cannot eat cake at all because it makes me sick.  But guess what happened?  It also got to the point where I don't WANT it anymore, either!  Neither the smell nor look of it attracts me in any way.  Same with ice cream.  Having RNY made me lactose intolerant.  Ice cream was my VERY favorite treat before WLS but would kill me to eat it at this point.  Now I go to Friendly's to eat with my family and am not even tempted to order it for dessert.  And it doesn't make me sad.  And, when my husband and kids get their large, gloppy sundaes, I don't look at them with longing, either!  That's not to say I don't have my trigger foods!  I need to stay as far away from crackers and pretzels as possible.  But, to be honest, I don't stay away...I just don't eat a lot of them.

    Will you lose your hair?  Probably.  When I weighed 290, my hair was my crowning glory.  It was fine like yours but I had a ton of it...way past my shoulders, straight, silky and blonde.  I lost about 40-50% of it post-op.  I tried everything...Biotin, Nioxin...NOTHING helped (I just wasted a lot of money trying).  But I am telling you, I would rather be bald and weigh 160 than have glorious hair at 290!!  And, by the way, my hair grew back just as healthy as it was post op! 

    I am confident you will make the right decision for you!  Good luck no matter what you choose!

    Hugs,
    Jersey Mom
      
        
       Height: 5'10"
      Current BMI: 
    27.5 (Overweight)
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    Ashley1187
    Member Since: 02/09/12
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     Thank you jersey mom!! That helps me out a lot! I guess everyone has to make sacrifices to be thin and healthy. I know I need to. I'm only 24. Im guessing after a year, your body goes back to normal?
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    JerseyMom
    Pequannock, NJ
    Member Since: 10/24/05
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    Darlin':

    I wish I had concrete answers to your questions and concerns but, as it is, everyone is different.

    However, being 24 is VERY beneficial.  Your body is young and your skin has elasticity.  These are all good things! 

    What do you mean by "normal", though?  I started this journey at 5'10", I was 34 and weighed around 290.  Now I am 40, I gained 30 lbs. after I had baby #2 and I am getting back on track.  So please understand that this is FOREVER.  WLS is not a magic bullet that will leave you thin for eternity.  You will have to work at it constantly.  I did not have a lot of skin issues and do not feel like I need plastics, although I would like them. :)

    It is a struggle but, OMG, SO worth it!  I WISH I had done it at 24!!  You will have so much life afterwards to be thin and healthy!!

    Jersey Mom

      
        
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      Current BMI: 
    27.5 (Overweight)
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    macortiz
    MI
    Member Since: 12/08/10
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    Nope. Hair loss is a side effect. I have uber fine hair and thinning up top. I had some significant shedding, it's let up quite a bit. I've always experienced hair loss, so it wasn't a big concern for me.


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    Ashley1187
    Member Since: 02/09/12
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     Does your hair grow back right after it falls out? I'm thinking I'm going to be bald lol
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    AnneGG
    Member Since: 05/31/10
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    I couldn't have lost my weight without WL surgery. Actually, I probably could have, but not without a huge amount of struggle. Maintenance is hard enough.

    And yes, we do have to do a major lifestyle change. But man o man, is the payoff worth it to me! Much better health, small size, look good in clothes (just bought my formal dress for the upcoming OH cruise!), greater self confidence, and I love living in my shoes these days!

    You have to make your own choice after weighting all the costs and potential benefits.

    Good luck with it!
    Anne
    "What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls the butterfly."

    "Support fosters your growth. If you are getting enough of the right support, you will experience a major transformation in yourself. You will discover a sense of empowerment and peace you have  never before experienced. You will come to believe you can overcome your challenges and find some joy in this world." Katie Jay

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    GreenGardener
    Member Since: 10/02/11
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     I am nearly 3 years VSG and, unfortunately, I can eat a whole bunch of food if I let myself.  Not like pre-op, but there are some foods that seem to slide right through (popcorn, etc.)

    When I eat out, people would never know I had surgery.  I eat like a normal person except I generally leave carbs alone.  

    But here's the deal:  You won't want the same foods in the same quantities.  It's weird, but taking out the grehlin (sp?) makes your brain work differently.   I have no desire for fast food and the thought of some of the things I used to eat literally makes me lurch.  
     SD:  6/09; HW:  263;  LW:  143; CW:  155; 5'5"; 62 yo
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    MsBatt
    Member Since: 08/19/03
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    Ok..so Im scheduled for surgery soon for the VSG but I'm having a hard time coping with the fact that I'm losing my ability to eat or to be able to pig out later on in life.

    I've gotta admit, this was a psychological stumbling block for me, too. I LIKE eating, and I really didn't want to give it up. (*grin*)

    3 ounces is a LOT more satisfying after surgery than before. I chose the DS,  so my sleeve started out about as big as a stand-alone sleeve ever gets to be---my surgical reports describes it as 3-5 ounces.

    Here's the really amazing this---pre-op, I was always hungry, and no matter HOW much I ate, I was just never satisfied. My sateity mechanism was broken, I guess you could say. But removing 85% of my stomach changed that, dramatically. Pre-op, yes, I'd have lost weight if I could've stuck to eating 3-ounce meals---but I could NOT.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that as a post-op, I *feel* like I can eat as much as I ever did---but I don't, can't, don't want to.

    Now, here's something else for you to think about---your BMI is 48, and you're borderline diabetic. You REALLY should consider the DS---not only does it have the very best long-term, maintained weight-loss stats, it's also the very best at resolving or preventing co-morbs like diabetes and high cholesterol.

    Hair loss---Google telogen effluvium. It'll tell you all you'll ever need to know about the temporary hair loss that can follow ANY kind of surgery.
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    poet_kelly
    OH
    Member Since: 09/12/09
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    Can you really eat just three ounces?  I could not do that before surgery.  I would have been starving.  I needed the surgery so I could get full on small amounts.  But if you can do that without surgery, then that's what you should do.

    As far as losing the ability to eat, the surgery doesn't make you unable to eat.  It just limits the amount you can eat.  So  no, you won't be able to pig out.  Do you really want to keep pigging out?  If that's what you want, then don't have surgery.  But I thought you wanted to just eat three ounces?

    Kelly

    Disclaimer: I am not a doctor and do not play one on TV.  Any advice I give about vitamins or other topics is what I would do personally or what I personally believe.  Do not rely on it as medical advice.  See a health care professional if you want medical advice.
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    lizzianne_2000
    Member Since: 11/06/11
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    WLS was one of the best decisions I ever made in my life.  I have battled my weight my entire existence...however I learned that you WILL be able to eat again - but you are building a "new" relationship with food.  It isn't the same - and you savor the taste of food differently  as well.  Understand that exactly what was stated earlier by some other friends *****plied to your post... you won't eat like a bird and 3 oz. will fill you after surgery and you will not be hungry.  The time goes by very fast in comparison to your entire life... The surgery is NOT a quick fix to the problem but rather a very very helpful tool to loose weight - but it is work and you are the person in control.

    About the hair thing.  Well.... I had incredibly thick voluptuous long curly hair - and it WAS my crown and glory all my life.  But I lost 45 to 50 % of it.  I was devastated - but got over it quickly because that can happen with any surgery and I really cared more about being healthy and living a long time with my husband and kids.  Don't get me wrong - it was hard.  I cut 10 inches off and went with a short bob that would allow the hair to grow back without tons of notability.  I'm glad I did.  I use Nioxin shampoo and I take Biotin supplements 2x a day and guess what?  my hair is actually really coming back quickly.

    I wish you the very best and I will pray that you have a positive outcome!
                
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    Valerie G.
    "The OG", OH
    Duodenal Switch (10/31/05)
    Member Since: 11/05/04
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    Can YOU really eat 3oz at a time right now without surgery and feel satiety?
    I'm guessing no, and after surgery you will actually feel downright full after eating 3oz for a very long time.  Can you have done this yourself eating this little?  Maybe...maybe not.

    Many of us need more than simply eating less.  You should know this answer by looking at your own dieting history and results of the past.  The malabsorption in the RNY and DS also change the way the body metabolizes what is ingested (RNY for a couple years or so - DS forever).  This is the synergy that yields the longer-ter results.
    Valerie
    1 year to lose the weight - 5 years maintaining it with the DS
    There is room on this earth for all of God's creatures..next to the mashed potatoes
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    tommygirl
    Member Since: 02/06/08
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    I will be three years out on Feb. 18 I had the gastric by pass and I dont regret doing it, I was scared just like you are. I was afraid that I would  only drink protein shakes and just certain foods, well little to say I dont do the protein shakes at all now. I eat a sensible meal plan which consists of fresh veggies, fruits, and meats, I dont use sugar at all.
    My doctor told me before the surgery that he can give me the tool to lose the weight and it was up to me if I use the tool properly, then I would keep the weight off. I still dont drink with me meals at all, I stay away from all junk foods as this will definitely put the weight back on.
    Good luck in your decision !!I  I prayed  before I make the decision and I know it was the right one for me . Good Luck in whatever you decide. I didnt have any hair loss at all!!!
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    littleskie
    freeport, TX
    Member Since: 06/20/07
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    The last few days before my surgery I was afraid i'd back out. So everytime I started to worry i'd find something else to focus on.

    Have you ever tried to diet by eating only 3-4 ounces? I tried it in the past. Measure it out and then look at it honestly. Could you live on eating just that as you are now?

    After surgery I feel full on that same 3-4 ounces. Pre-op when I felt hunger I had to eat!!! Eating was a huge driving force. I couldn't focus on anything else when I felt hungry.

    Post op, well when I feel hunger now I will usually drink some water to see if it's real hunger. If it's real hunger then I fix something with protein in it and i'm satisfied.

    I literally mourned food as a new post op. I just knew that there was no way I was going to be able to find comfort in eating my favorite foods, if I even going to be able to eat.

    Good luck in making your final decision. No one else's opinions should matter right now. If you do go thru it know that there is a lot of support on this site. I'd also suggest attending local support groups too.
                


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    hollykim
    Nashville, TN
    Member Since: 11/15/08
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    Maybe a good test would be to start eating 3 ounces 6 times a day and see how you do. See if you can maintain that for a year. that will answer your question for you for sure.

    If I could have done that,why,no why would I have needed surgery.. I couldn't do it though. It would be a good check for you to see.

    I don't eat like a bird. I actually eat normal portions for my sleeve and nobody has ever commented on me eating like a bird.

    I know hair is important,but, is it more important than your legs or your eyes or your kidneys? You have said you are prediabetic and actually there is no such animal. you are either diabetic or you are not. I am guessing  you are bit your PCP doesn't want to treat it yet. It is like being pregnant...you either are or you aren't. there  is no pre pregnant.

    You are young enough to stop diabetes in its ugly tracks. Trust me,as a nurse for 22 years,I can't count the number of people I have seen come into the hospital every year,losing their legs a little more,  losing their sight cause the diabetes ruined their eyes and being on dialysis cause diabetes has burned their kidneys up. It is not *if* it happens.it is *when* it happens,cause it WILL happen to every diabetic if they live long enough.

    Hair will grow back,legs eyes and kidneys don't . Not trying to scare you,although you *should* be scared,but trying to help you see this thing in a more serious way than just cosmetic,though I have to say,I am *LOVING* the cosmetic effects of my sleeve,and loving the fact that I am not diabetic any longer.

    food for thought....



     
             
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    Ashley1187
    Member Since: 02/09/12
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     I agree with you 100% on everything you said. I have already cut sugars and I've been watching what I eat but at the moment I can eat all day, everyday. I never have that full feeling and I'm actually looking forward to the surgery. This website has great support and I'm glad I have ppl to talk to about this. I just need to get this surgery done and have my own experience because everyone's body reacts differently. After thinking about it, I've NEVER been skinny or thin my entire life and I want that feeling of being healthy and having energy. I got myself this way and I'm ready to change! 
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    hollykim
    Nashville, TN
    Member Since: 11/15/08
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    So glad you are able to see past your fear. Fear is normal,but not if we let it cripple us from taking action. Fear should make us "poop or get off the pot",not cower and make no decision about how to help ourselves. That is when fear is crippling.
    "I can eat all day every day and never feel full..." certainly answers the question of why you can't do the same thing without surgery,doesn't it?

    I would have been thrilled to have this life saving surgery when I was in my 20's and am so glad it is available to people your age now.

    Rock on,you can do this and we have your back all the way!



     
             
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