Why you can't treat an RNY like a DS ( its actually a GOOD thing ! )

meeow2
on 8/17/13 5:30 am, edited 8/17/13 5:34 am

I often get asked the question  why I like my RNY ( as opposed to taking the sleeve/ DS track) . The reason is accountability which  I believe may eventually lead to a longer healthier life .  

Traditionally RNY patients have been lighter and more active .. so the long term  statistics for the two surgeries are necessarily somewhat skewed .  

Still its a given  that DS patients have to take 40 or more pills vitamin per day to stay healthy in several batches whereas RNY patients  like myself can just basically chew  kids Flintstones gummies , a few calcium gummies ... and eat a healthy diet and maintain outstanding labs .

I know this to be possible  because I have done it for five years post op and my labs , health and energy levels are GREAT . I actually tried higher level supplementation and my body basically put a stop to it by being revolted by the vitamins .  The only extra vitamins I occasionally take are multi- iron pills  and flaxseed oil / evening primrose oil capsules .   

It does make me sad to see many people struggle here with regain .... when we've been given  an OUTSTANDING tool that both malabsorbs a small amount of fat , restricts  the volume of  how much we can eat and also maintains  our health .  

Many of us ( like myself ) had even DIABETES  , GERD , High blood pressure RESOLVED through our RNYS .

Its super important I think to stay pain-free post op which means moving ... and which also helps with the absorption of vitamins from the foods we eat and supplements .  Moving  helps the skin bounce back too ... and i've seen the most BEAUTIFUL amazing results of whole-body weight loss in RNY patients here .

To me the lifetime 30% fat malabsorption just gives me a bit of flexibility when eating out ... but its NEVER an excuse to justify fatty old eating habits or non-lowfat (or choosing fat free )options at home . 

As long as i respect the limitations of my surgery .. I find I can stay TOTALLY at goal and feel successful everyday ( at least I have for the last 5 years  )   I don't stretch my pouch out by eating extra bites till I sniffle ... I don't drink with my meals but rather just before them and thirty minutes after I eat ... and most importantly I choose high fiber," healthy" and" lowfat" meal options every time I can.  I grow much of my own food actually mail

Frankly that's WHY I chose the RNY - in order to  be Able to eat salad and veggies  and because I NEVER ate a lb of bacon at a meal in my LIFE and my dream wasn't to eat whatever I wanted but rather to resolve my diabetes , remain forever slim without dieting and be HEALTHY  in a common -sense way through eating right and exercise . ... 

what do YOU think based on YOUR experience post op ?  what works for YOU ?  ((((()))))

 

 

J J the Jet Plane
on 8/17/13 8:04 am
DS on 08/26/11 with

WOW

You really have a skewed view of a DS. I think each persons decision to choose a surgery is personal and therefore this post is just going to cause drama and maybe that was your intended purpose. I have not eaten a pound of bacon in my life in one setting.

"The reason is accountability which I believe may eventually lead to a longer healthier life ."

Are you kidding me?  I have huge accountability to myself every day. Each WLS patient does if they want to be successful. I personally know 12 and 15 year vets of the DS who are very healthy and happy and 5 year sleevers who are doing great.

I supplement but most WLS patients do and if you think a few is going to do it for you, thats great. EACH one of us has to be diligent for our own health care needs. I have many RNY patient friends who supplement according to their labs that take well over 20 vites a day. Like you said it didnt work for you. Each journey is different.

Each person has to choose the best surgery for them. What they can live with? How do you want to live the rest of your life. Do their research, choose an honest surgeon. Seriously that is a big one. Many people need malabsorption and they get the wrong surgery because a surgeon says "yes, you patient that needs to lose 100's of lbs. a lapband is best." Clearly we have seen the best results for high BMI patients with some sort of malabsorption.

THE DS can cure diabetes GERD and high blood pressure as well. I eat fiber, moderate high fat, because I get to, high protein and very low carb. I exercise and have been very successful.

It is my new way of eating RIGHT as you put it. It might not be for you but its working for me. 

I want everyone to be successful, but I also know I chose the right surgery for me. Not because I am a glutton or dont like veggies.  I do eat vegetables, fruit in moderation my main source of nutrition is protein and fat. I rarely eat white flour and I dont eat sugar alcohols whenever possible, no splenda, sucralose aspartame etc. I choose to do that because it makes me feel better.

To your original post - To me both surgeries as a means to an end, to end comorbidities and live a long healthy life. I think with either surgery people are successful.

JJ

 

For more research on the DS www.dsfacts.com

 

meeow2
on 8/18/13 3:51 am

I agree with you !  As for eating a lb of bacon .. hey my landlord ( a total normie ) does it all the time .  My point about this is I don't WANT  to eat lots of cancer- causing FAT whether its in the form of fast and fried  foods, fatty meats or even NUTS ( which i love ... in strict moderation ) 

There are people on this site who DONT like to eat fatty foods and thats why my surgeon recommended the RNY for me, because of my "healthy "preop eating habits . 

 

hollykim
on 8/17/13 8:33 am - Nashville, TN
DS on 03/05/13
Honestly, I think you are full of ****

 


          

 

(deactivated member)
on 8/17/13 10:29 am
On August 17, 2013 at 8:33 AM Pacific Time, hollykim wrote:
Honestly, I think you are full of ****

 

Ahhh, we finally found something we both fully, 100% agree upon!!!

;o)

leanonme
on 8/17/13 9:36 am

I wasn't going to reply to this ridiculous post but then I thought I would remind everyone that not very long ago you were begging to get a DS. Sour grapes much??

Julie R.
on 8/17/13 9:57 am - Ludington, MI

I don't even know where to begin to address the crap spewing from your fingertips via this post, nor have I the time, but I'd like individuals reading this to know that it is so full of misinformation and half truths to be almost laughable.  But, I'm not laughing.

Julie R - Ludington, Michigan
Duodenal Switch 08/09/06 - Dr. Paul Kemmeter, Grand Rapids, Michigan
HW: 282 - 5'4"
SW: 268
GW: 135
CW: 125

MSSEXXC74
on 8/17/13 10:02 am

Have you had your surgery yet? On your page it says hoping to have surgery. I had RNY in 2000 and loved it still love it. I love the fact that i dump if i eat too much fat or sugar. Having said that i wish i would have have the DS when i had my first surgery i probably wouldnt be having a second. different strokes for different folks. If your RNY,DS, SLEEVE, BAND works for you good dont Try to discredit the other surgeries because you dont know first hand If your results would have been better or worse... Thats just my opinion but u know what they say about them...lol

MSSEXXC

    

    

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Kim

on 8/17/13 10:22 am - Castle Rock, CO

I know you DS'ers are getting butt hurt about this, but not only is it a gross misrepresentation of the DS, it's nowhere near accurate for the RNY either ...

A real case of buyer beware for anyone reading this thread!

 

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Bronwen
on 8/17/13 12:22 pm - Wilmington, DE
DS on 06/19/06 with
Thank you for pointing out that out! I have several RNY friends who do not fit this profile. One has to take more vitamins than I do because the relatively minimal RNY malabsorption hits her so hard.

*Sigh*

I really wish people would stop stirring the pot...
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RainbowRN
on 8/17/13 11:22 pm - OH
RNY on 03/12/13
As a fellow RNY girl I completely agree with Kim.

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MsBatt
on 8/18/13 9:43 pm
On August 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM Pacific Time, Sin Kim wrote:

I know you DS'ers are getting butt hurt about this, but not only is it a gross misrepresentation of the DS, it's nowhere near accurate for the RNY either ...

A real case of buyer beware for anyone reading this thread!

 

 

LOL! *I'm* certainly not getting butt-hurt---whenever she posts, I consider the source. And I hear Ozzie Osborne singing 'Crazy Train'. (*grin*)

illinois Gama D.
on 8/20/13 5:53 pm

LMAO< LOVE!!!!!!

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(deactivated member)
on 8/17/13 10:37 am
On August 17, 2013 at 5:30 AM Pacific Time, meeow2 wrote:

I often get asked the question  why I like my RNY ( as opposed to taking the sleeve/ DS track) . The reason is accountability which  I believe may eventually lead to a longer healthier life .  

Traditionally RNY patients have been lighter and more active .. so the long term  statistics for the two surgeries are necessarily somewhat skewed .  

Still its a given  that DS patients have to take 40 or more pills vitamin per day to stay healthy in several batches whereas RNY patients  like myself can just basically chew  kids Flintstones gummies , a few calcium gummies ... and eat a healthy diet and maintain outstanding labs .

I know this to be possible  because I have done it for five years post op and my labs , health and energy levels are GREAT . I actually tried higher level supplementation and my body basically put a stop to it by being revolted by the vitamins .  The only extra vitamins I occasionally take are multi- iron pills  and flaxseed oil / evening primrose oil capsules .   

It does make me sad to see many people struggle here with regain .... when we've been given  an OUTSTANDING tool that both malabsorbs a small amount of fat , restricts  the volume of  how much we can eat and also maintains  our health .  

Many of us ( like myself ) had even DIABETES  , GERD , High blood pressure RESOLVED through our RNYS .

Its super important I think to stay pain-free post op which means moving ... and which also helps with the absorption of vitamins from the foods we eat and supplements .  Moving  helps the skin bounce back too ... and i've seen the most BEAUTIFUL amazing results of whole-body weight loss in RNY patients here .

To me the lifetime 30% fat malabsorption just gives me a bit of flexibility when eating out ... but its NEVER an excuse to justify fatty old eating habits or non-lowfat (or choosing fat free )options at home . 

As long as i respect the limitations of my surgery .. I find I can stay TOTALLY at goal and feel successful everyday ( at least I have for the last 5 years  )   I don't stretch my pouch out by eating extra bites till I sniffle ... I don't drink with my meals but rather just before them and thirty minutes after I eat ... and most importantly I choose high fiber," healthy" and" lowfat" meal options every time I can.  I grow much of my own food actually mail

Frankly that's WHY I chose the RNY - in order to  be Able to eat salad and veggies  and because I NEVER ate a lb of bacon at a meal in my LIFE and my dream wasn't to eat whatever I wanted but rather to resolve my diabetes , remain forever slim without dieting and be HEALTHY  in a common -sense way through eating right and exercise . ... 

what do YOU think based on YOUR experience post op ?  what works for YOU ?  ((((()))))

 

 

 

You know, a little education on the various WLS types (including your own) won't hurt.  Honest.

There is so much misinformation here that it's hard to know which to focus on without writing a book.

Accountability does not take being sick and dumping.  Some of us are adults and hold ourselves accountable.

Traditionally bypass has a great deal of regain, not lighter as you claim.

In what world do most DSers need 40 vites a day?  Seriously, education is not the horror you believe.

Flinstones?  Do you really hate your fellow bypass folks so much that you would try to do harm to them?  Flinstones are for children, are you a child?  Flinstones have the wrong Vit A for bypassers.

I have a sleeve, no vites at all!  Just a good quality diet and I don't have to do half the crap you do.  No vites, no routine vitamin labs (they have been fine for 5 years, I am pretty well good to go).  I don't have to punish myself by dumping... and you think bypass is the best.  BWAHAHAHA

Hate to bust your bubble but bypass puts diabetics in remission, 1/3 get their diabetes back regardless of regain or no regain.  Check out 10 years stats, cutie!  DS is a cure, bypass puts you in short term remission.

Exercise does nothing for damaged skin.  Maybe in your world but not reality.

You really need to stop posting nonsense, a newbie might believe you.  Let's provide truth and not fantasy.

Mo Diggity
on 8/17/13 12:01 pm - poughkeepsie, NY
RNY on 07/03/13

I had RNY about 6 wks ago, and I thought the Flinstone comment was a bit strange since everyone I've ever heard discussing them advises against them :/

         Maureen   Tired of Living my Life in the Dark  

         

H.a.l.a. B.
on 8/19/13 7:44 am
RNY on 05/14/08 with

The OP - is "not all there" or is is a troll trying to stir stuff.. she if on again - off again... 

She can do what she wants - but saying things like that - and someone new would try to follow her advice.. or boy.. really scary.. 

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A. Kondrlik
on 8/17/13 11:16 am
VSG on 01/24/13

Look at some of the other postings the OP has made lately.

 

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(deactivated member)
on 8/20/13 3:25 pm
On August 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM Pacific Time, A. Kondrlik wrote:

Look at some of the other postings the OP has made lately.

 

 

Oh my... You have a point there.

Amy Farrah Fowler
on 8/17/13 12:02 pm

So many issues with this post, but one that I'll address is that gummies are not enough for almost any RNY person. Some important vitamins happen to taste like butt, and don't get put into any type of chewable vitamin for that reason.

 

For anyone with RNY or DS that thinks they are getting enough with the gummy vites, you need to:

1 - Get a full set of labs. If they have drawn less than 20+ vials of blood, then it was NOT a complete set of labs. Then get your OWN copy of the results.

2 - Learn to read the lab results. Compare to previous lab results, and watch for trends. The doctors office only calls when something is so out of range it gets flagged by the lab, and it can be very difficult to recover from deficiencies once they are that out of range.

3 - Get a dexa scan when you are pre-op, then regularly post op, and compare. 

meeow2
on 8/18/13 4:04 pm, edited 8/20/13 2:47 pm

You DO know that up to this latest pill=popping generation EVERYONE got their vites from FOOD  right ?