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zee starrlite Member Since: 06/05/03 [Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 9:47 am Hey I'm upset. I thought adult onset diabetes went away or into lifelong remission with the DS. I guess I am reacting to one of the recent posts and the replies for Insulin dependent diabetes.
Juevenille diabetes is what a child gets and NOT what generation X children are getting because of their food intake and lack of exercise. Those Gen X's kids are getting adult onset. Obesity causes insulin resistance right? and that is what these kids get.
Am I right in saying Type I (Juevenile) pancreas does not produce insulin and therefore the condition is insulin dependent ? Wherease Type II diabetics (Adult onset) pancreas work but are not sufficient - most times because of the "motherload of food" we dump in our bodies. We then can require insulin from an outside source to compete with the war that is going on in our bodies.
2 of my sisters have adult onset diabetes. Sister one diagnosed at 40. She is obese (BMI about 40) and does not care much what she puts in her body. She started on the pill, did no****ch what she ate, did not exercise. Then, she needed the pill and insulin. Then as time passed she still does not care much is on two types of insulin (one more concentrated as she needed so muchand it did not fit in one needle) 4x's per day. There were times she went to WW , watched what she ate and her doc took her off meds and lowered her insulin.
My second sister diagnosed at 40 yrs old too took her medication for a year or two and sat with the diabetes. She joined WW, started exercising and lost 55lbs. Her doc monitored her strictly for a year all the while decreasing her meds. She has not been on diabetes medicine for 3 years and monitors her blood daily - it's in the normal range!!! She has stuck to watching what she eats and exercising. Couldn't she have become like my other sister if she didn't take action? Is my other sister what some people refer to as insulin dependent although they have adult onset diabetes????
I'm upset and confused. I hate diabetes!!!! Have you been cured with the DS?
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Jeanie . BMI: 23.1, MO Duodenal Switch (02/12/05) Member Since: 11/05/04[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 9:54 am Mine is cured/in remission. Has been since the day of my DS surgery, long before I lost any weight. I don't understand the confusion. DS helps Type 2, not Type 1.
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Duodenal Switch (07/31/07) Member Since: 02/04/05[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 10:30 am I'm confused, too Which sister had the DS weight loss surgery? SW 440/ CW 294/ GW 193 (-146 lbs. so far) |
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zee starrlite Member Since: 06/05/03 [Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 11:12 am neither of my sisters have had the DS. Both have Adult onset diabetes - one sis controlling hers with diet and exercise.
I was confused about the term "insulin dependent". |
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Rockne South Orange County, CA Duodenal Switch (07/02/03) Member Since: 12/03/02[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 10:37 am Statistically the DS cures upwards of 98% of adult onset type 2 diabetes. While other WLS types may help remarkably as well. Only the DS, or a component of same, can make this high percentage claim.
Rock |
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kiridoc Indianapolis, IN Duodenal Switch (06/11/07) Member Since: 12/05/06[Latest Posts] | |
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kiridoc Indianapolis, IN Duodenal Switch (06/11/07) Member Since: 12/05/06[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 11:02 am If you want to really motivate your sister, try exposing her to people who are suffering the side effects of diabetes. I've seen feet so necrotic, the bones are sticking out of the toes with the flesh all blakened and shrunken down. Wounds that take 6 months or more to heal (if they don't get gangrenous). People who can't walk, sleep or use their hands because of the neuropathy.
Call any wound care clinic and I'm sure they can put you in touch with someone who would help "motivate" your sister.
Of course, at the end of the day, I'm MO knowing very well all of the side effects. Not sure how much of a difference there is between the two! I guess everyone's an individual and we all have our own demons.
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Karey Falls City, NE Duodenal Switch (10/17/06) Member Since: 09/20/06[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 11:32 am You are right in that "juvenile" or Type I diabetics produce no insulin. I was 15 years old when diagnosed with diabetes and weighed 102 pounds; was not overweight. Diabetes runs in my family. My great-grandmother started it, then I was the next to get it. My daughter, now age 11, was diagnosed with diabetes at age 3. She does not produce any insulin either and weighed a whopping 28 pounds when diagnosed. Genetic testing was completed and she carried the gene that leads to diabetes. Again, the inherited things.
I had the DS 10-17-06; I have lost 52 pounds, from 207 to 155 and yes, even though my diabetes will never be cured; I have decreased my insuin requirements dramatically and feel that I will continue to do so as I lose more weight. I used to take 30 units of Lantus every evening; I now take 17 units; I used to take 20 or more units of Novolog before every meal, I now take anywhere from 3 to 5 units, depending on what I'm eating, basically if I eat any carbs I have to increase the dosage to 5 units.
My father has adult onset diabetes, diagnosed at about 42. He liked food too much. He started out on diet and pills, but couldn't get himself to stop eating what he liked to eat and therefore he had to go on insulin and is still on insulin to this date at almost age 70. So, like your sister, he probably wouldn't have had to go this route if he would have watched his food intake.
This has gotten so long. By the way, I hate diabetes too!
Karey |
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Elizabeth N. Burlington County, NJ Duodenal Switch (12/04/06) Member Since: 11/11/02[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 11:41 am People with type II diabetes *do* become insulin dependent. They may or may not still produce any insulin of their own. There is such a thing as a type II diabetic ceasing to produce any of their own insulin permanently.
In your sister's case, she may or may not still be producing any insulin, but she has clearly become extremely insulin resistant. This is not uncommon in people with certain metabolic problems and is frequently correlated with morbid or super morbid obesity.
I went into the hospital for my procedure on over 160 units of insulin daily, plus Actos, and left the hospital on 20 units plus Actos. Now I've been off insulin completely for a month or so, only taking Actos. I am not yet completely in remission, but I have every hope of getting there within the next few months at most. To be truly considered *cured* of diabetes, one must have a negative glucose tolerance test, but I'll cheer just as loudly to be off all meds and showing A1c results of under 6, which is non-diabetic range . |
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Jo F. Bakersfield, CA Duodenal Switch (11/19/07) Member Since: 12/07/06[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 2:16 pm Wow! You have had some awesome results with your DS and Diabetes! Going from 160 Units per day down to 20 Units!! INCREDIBLE! My biggest fear is that I will end up with Diabetes. My Grandmother had it, and my sister has it. Grandma was heavy set, but I wouldn't say MO. My sister is SMO, and was diagnosed with Diabetes at age 40. I'm 37 now, and don't want to follow her footsteps! At any rate, thanks for sharing your progress! It give us all hope! |
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Elizabeth N. Burlington County, NJ Duodenal Switch (12/04/06) Member Since: 11/11/02[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 7:31 pm Oh keep reading hon, there's more; I'm OFF insulin now totally! *doing Snoopy dances*
With the DS, I think you have the greatest possibility of preventing diabetes. |
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Big Al Northbrook, IL Duodenal Switch (12/01/05) Member Since: 09/24/04[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 11:54 am Some of that confusion is why they use Type I and Type II these days. Juvenile diabetes is generally Type I, but with the increase in childhood obesity we are seeing more Type II diabnetes in children. Adults can also get Type I if something attacks the islet cells in the pancreas. As you say Type I is always insulin dependent while Type II can be treated with just diet, oral drugs, insulin, or a combination of the three. Therefore, Type II may be insulin dependent and I have known Type II patients who took over 150 units of insulin daily. Some people with Type II can also burn out their pancreas and become Type I. It can be confusing and I think I just confused myself. Anyway, I was on a combination of Actos, Metformin, and Amaryl before surgery and my doctor was thinking about switching me onto insulin. After surgeyr, I continued a low dose of Actos for 3 months and have been drug free since. My last A1c was 4.2 so I can be considered "cured". Duodenal Switch with Dr. John Rabkin 12/01/2005. Over 200 pounds lost. Reconstructive surgery (LBL and lipo) with Dr. Lawrence Zachary 9/19/2008. Al |
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Karey Falls City, NE Duodenal Switch (10/17/06) Member Since: 09/20/06[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 12:04 pm Last Edit: 2/28/07 12:13 pm I think that's so cool that you are cured! I'm anxious to have an A1c done on me; they haven't ordered one yet, and see where I stand. I was 7.5 the last one they took before surgery.
Congrats on being cured!
Karey |
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PattyL Las Vegas, NV Duodenal Switch (08/14/03) Member Since: 07/11/03[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 5:44 pm I always assume everyone knows our story. As soon as I do, there's a new group of people out there! My hubby, BMI 27, had his DS for diabetes over 3 years ago in Spain. He had the switch only because he wasn't significantly over weight. He worked really hard on his blood sugar and his HA1C was normal but his neuropathies kept getting worse. He had the surgery and that was it. Diabetes gone. He eats as he pleases and is on no medication. His vision went back to 20/20 before we even left Spain.
DM2 most likely is caused by intestinal hormones. Hormone production is stimulated by food passing through the small intestine. Overproduction causes DM2. When the small gut is bypassed, hormone production goes back to normal or stops. Then your body can again use the insulin you produce. And there is the key. Do you still produce insulin? Some people are talking about type 3 diabetes where type 2 changes into a more type 1-like scenario where your body stops insulin production.
If you are a type 2 there is a 98% chance your diabetes will go away. People who have been insulin dependent for a long time sometimes take a while to resolve. The worst case I know of was a man who had the whole surgery at 62. He had been insulin dependent for over 30 years. It took him about 6 months to get off all his meds but he did it. He is 65 now. He also had surgery in Spain.
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Dennie E. Nashville, TN Duodenal Switch (02/09/09) Member Since: 11/18/06[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 2/28/07 6:24 pm Last Edit: 2/28/07 6:39 pm Juvenile diabetes or Diabetes type I is where the pancreas doesn't produce any, or only produces terribly small amounts of insulin. People with this will never get off insulin unless they come up with a reliable pancreas transplant or they get the stem cells going to town. And yes, sometimes Type II burns out the pancreas from overuse and it shuts down.
Type II diabetics typically produce a LOT of insulin. Before they're actually diabetic, most of us become insulin intolerant. This actually leads to a great deal of weight gain (insulin creates hunger. The insulin actually takes the glucose out of the bloodstream and "ushers" it into the cells where the cells use it for fuel. If the cells are resistant to insulin, they leave the glucose in the bloodstream and all that insulin just circulates with it, making people hungry!!)
Like lower than average blood pressure IS a good thing and reassuring. Lower than average blood sugar is not a good or reassuring thing. People who have incidents of low blood sugar or hypoglycemia, are NOT at less risk for diabetes. In fact, this is one of the signs of pre diabetes, or insulin resistance. The insulin in the blood stream builds up and builds up and something or other tips the balance and the blood sugar suddenly gets ushered into the cells and there's your low blood sugar. It's not a good thing.
And contrary to popular belief, tight control of glucose does NOT always stave off the full-fledged diabetes, nor does it keep the diabetic problems away from a diabetic. I thought that, too. Using me as an example: I had my diabetes controlled for probably about 20 years with diet and exercise. I got double pneumonia in 2000 and that seemed to have just reset my whole body.
I went on oral meds and then insulin. And with the meds, I again had very tight control - I never have had an A1C glycosylated hemoglobin over 6.2 and some of them have been in the 5.9 range. Anything below 7.0 is considered good control for a diabetic. Although there is talk now that lower is much better, but 7 is traditionally considered OK.
But even so, I've got diabetic retinopathy. I'm almost completely blind in the left eye. I've also got kidney failure, but I also took way too much IBU for endometriosis (I know - not smart) and some kidney-harsh blood pressure meds. I asked my endocrinologist about it, because I really thought I shouldn't have such horrible problems since the blood sugar wasn't scraping at my blood vessels all the time.
He said that's just the progression of the disease, sometimes.
Love
Dennie THE THREE-STEP GUIDE TO BETTER LIVING: 1. Get over it. 2. Stay over it. 3. Get on with it |
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