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 | Post Date: 4/6/10 4:07 am I wonder how many WLS "failures " are caused by misunderstanding /misinterpretation of the "low carb lifestyle " which .handled without precise carb control is simply a ridiculously FATTENING high fat diet !! I just read a wildly popular post of "better than sex" sugar free chocolate pie recipe that the writer and the responders all claimed as low carb - because it was made with sugar free chocolate chips !! HELLO!!! The funny thing was EVERY SINGLE PERSON *****sponded that they were going to make the recipe was LARGE - even by the standards of this site !! I would argue that larger people have "fat teeth " and that "white carbs" are NOT the enemy but FAT certainly is . Extra fat will certainly get you a lot fatter a lot quicker than plain fat free sugar or bread . I had a RNY six months ago . I am now a size 0 and look great in a bikini . I eat fat free carbs all day long . I think the key to MY success was ( and will be even after the malabsorption stops ) is that I lived on a very healthy lowfat /low sugar diet long before i even thought about surgery. I ate too much ,granted , but it was too much of the RIGHT things . The surgery just cut down my portions considerably - along with my hunger . if Ure seriously trying to re-lose weight after regain , why don't U join us on the liteweights board ? Many of us post what we eat and our exercise as well on MENUS and MILES every single day . It helps keep us accountable and we get valuable feedback from our peers too . Forgive me for being a naive relative newbie ...but reading Ur accounts of WLS "failures" I see well intentioned people who tried really hard ...who often ate the wrong high fat foods pre WLS and slipped them back in later . Rather than waiting for a revision , why not try to take control of the tool U HAVE through diet and exercise ....with accountability and support ? U might as well TRY it  I think ....anyway just wantedto let U know Ure WELCOME !  |
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Phoenix, AZ Member Since: 04/10/08 [Latest Posts] | Post Date: 4/6/10 5:40 am On April 6, 2010 at 4:07 AM Pacific Time, PRIVACY MATTERS2ME! wrote: I wonder how many WLS "failures " are caused by misunderstanding /misinterpretation of the "low carb lifestyle " which .handled without precise carb control is simply a ridiculously FATTENING high fat diet !! I just read a wildly popular post of "better than sex" sugar free chocolate pie recipe that the writer and the responders all claimed as low carb - because it was made with sugar free chocolate chips !! HELLO!!! The funny thing was EVERY SINGLE PERSON *****sponded that they were going to make the recipe was LARGE - even by the standards of this site !! I would argue that larger people have "fat teeth " and that "white carbs" are NOT the enemy but FAT certainly is . Extra fat will certainly get you a lot fatter a lot quicker than plain fat free sugar or bread . I had a RNY six months ago . I am now a size 0 and look great in a bikini . I eat fat free carbs all day long . I think the key to MY success was ( and will be even after the malabsorption stops ) is that I lived on a very healthy lowfat /low sugar diet long before i even thought about surgery. I ate too much ,granted , but it was too much of the RIGHT things . The surgery just cut down my portions considerably - along with my hunger . if Ure seriously trying to re-lose weight after regain , why don't U join us on the liteweights board ? Many of us post what we eat and our exercise as well on MENUS and MILES every single day . It helps keep us accountable and we get valuable feedback from our peers too . Forgive me for being a naive relative newbie ...but reading Ur accounts of WLS "failures" I see well intentioned people who tried really hard ...who often ate the wrong high fat foods pre WLS and slipped them back in later . Rather than waiting for a revision , why not try to take control of the tool U HAVE through diet and exercise ....with accountability and support ? U might as well TRY it I think ....anyway just wantedto let U know Ure WELCOME ! Large based on what?? Do you personally know the age, weight, body type etc for these "large" people? Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind? |
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 TX Member Since: 09/21/07 [Latest Posts] | Post Date: 4/7/10 1:42 pm The OP of that "wildly popular" thread has a starting BMI of 37....two *****sponded are starting out at a lower weight than the OP of this rude thread....two others are in the 360ish range but had their surgeries very recently...and there is one more I'm not sure about so yeah, I don't know what she is basing this assumption on. It's a mystery..... Goal in EIGHT months!  Highest/Surgery Weight 248 Goal Weight 165 Current Weight 165-175 Starting BMI 33.7 Current BMI 22.1 I'm 42 years young, my height is 6' and I've had no plastics! I  my sleeve!!! |
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 Member Since: 04/14/07 [Latest Posts] | Post Date: 4/6/10 9:17 am This post comes off as holier than thou, just in case you might not have been aware of it. A person who is six months post op doesn't have the experience to be doling out advice, I'm sorry to say. I do wish you success, but the Failed Surgery board is full of people who might not want to hear about how great you look in a bikini. I know that seeing as how my failed surgery in 2003 almost killed me, I'm just happy to be alive at this point. I don't care so much about being able to look good in a bikini. I'm happy to just be able to breathe without chronic and debilitating pain stemming directly from my WLS. You're probably a nice person, but I think this particular thread comes off as looking down your nose at others. It probably wasn't your intention, but I thought I'd be honest with you. "The intimate rapport with nature is one of the most precious things in life. Nature is indeed very close to us; sometimes closer than hands and feet, of which in truth she is but the extension. The emotional appeal of nature is tremendous, sometimes almost more than one can bear." |
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TX Member Since: 09/21/07 [Latest Posts] | Post Date: 4/7/10 11:11 am O M G!! This is one of the rudest posts I have EVER seen on here! I am sure you did have good intentions but maybe you should re-read your post to see just how condescending it really is. And BTW, you are in fact, still very much in your "honeymoon phase" and you have NO idea what you may face down the road. I certainly hope you don't EVER have problems but you do not know that for certain yet you come across as if you have ALL the answers and it is very offensive (even to me and I am a newbie who is doing just fine and losing nicely). I know that is not what the Lightweight board is all about. I lurk over there quite a bit and you all are generally very encouraging. Just my two cents...take or leave it. Goal in EIGHT months! Highest/Surgery Weight 248 Goal Weight 165 Current Weight 165-175 Starting BMI 33.7 Current BMI 22.1 I'm 42 years young, my height is 6' and I've had no plastics! I my sleeve!!! |
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| Post Date: 4/8/10 4:08 pm TRULY I didn't mean to sound sanctimonious or like the food police .....sorry if i offended anyone . I guess i just hate to see people doing their best and struggling to get the results they desire . I don't think this is an easy fix at all ....and absolutely admit that six months is still certainly the "honeymoon phase "and things may well change down the road ...... all I said was i was very surprised how well lowfat /low sugar worked for ME post op and thought people might want to consider it . Peace !  |
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Phoenix, AZ Member Since: 04/10/08 [Latest Posts] | Post Date: 4/8/10 6:58 pm On April 8, 2010 at 4:08 PM Pacific Time, PRIVACY MATTERS2ME! wrote: TRULY I didn't mean to sound sanctimonious or like the food police .....sorry if i offended anyone . I guess i just hate to see people doing their best and struggling to get the results they desire .I don't think this is an easy fix at all ....and absolutely admit that six months is still certainly the "honeymoon phase "and things may well change down the road ...... all I said was i was very surprised how well lowfat /low sugar worked for ME post op and thought people might want to consider it . Peace ! If this was all you had said there would not have been a problem. What offended me was your rude, disrespectful, inaccurate remark based on the size of the posters. First of all I am not sure how you think you knew how large folks were that posted and 2d and more to the point is what the hell difference did it make and what did you hope to achieve by making reference to the size of the posters. Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind? |
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| Post Date: 4/9/10 5:29 am Did I actually SAY that ? WHOA - no wonder people think I'm obnoxious LOL !! OBVIOUSLY I have my ISSUES , at whatever weight!! well , I learned in OA that very imperfect people can STILL and DO all the time help each other profoundly with God's guidance . I just can't help thinking ...what if the "key " that MIGHT just unlock the door of some people's obvious frustration really IS a lowfat/ low sugar diet ? I have seen so much ill informed " dieting " in OA over the years too ...and seen the same people struggling post op eating the same high- fat "low carb" diet people often talk about on here . I have seen these friends fail to lose thru diet n exercise ,get bariatric surgery in some cases and STILL struggle ten years or more years later . It breaks my heart !! NOONE deserves this prison inside their own body .... or the attendant profound frustration and depression and eventual ill health that goes along with it - not if they are CHOOSING a different direction. I have often been very surprised in OA how little people know about actual nutrition - for instance I have heard ketchup referred to as a vegetable not once but MANY times . Usually the misunderstanding is around FAT though - " we NEED fat " is the mantra . The problem is that for those of us with excess fat cells and/or metabolic disorder and/ or mobility issues we just may not be able to burn it off . I find eating carbs and strongly limiting fats to be a far more FORGIVING way of eating that works WELL with WLS - at least in my case so far . |
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| Post Date: 4/20/10 8:59 am On April 9, 2010 at 5:29 AM Pacific Time, PRIVACY MATTERS2ME! wrote: Did I actually SAY that ? WHOA - no wonder people think I'm obnoxious LOL !! OBVIOUSLY I have my ISSUES , at whatever weight!! well , I learned in OA that very imperfect people can STILL and DO all the time help each other profoundly with God's guidance . I just can't help thinking ...what if the "key " that MIGHT just unlock the door of some people's obvious frustration really IS a lowfat/ low sugar diet ? I have seen so much ill informed " dieting " in OA over the years too ...and seen the same people struggling post op eating the same high- fat "low carb" diet people often talk about on here . I have seen these friends fail to lose thru diet n exercise ,get bariatric surgery in some cases and STILL struggle ten years or more years later . It breaks my heart !! NOONE deserves this prison inside their own body .... or the attendant profound frustration and depression and eventual ill health that goes along with it - not if they are CHOOSING a different direction. I have often been very surprised in OA how little people know about actual nutrition - for instance I have heard ketchup referred to as a vegetable not once but MANY times . Usually the misunderstanding is around FAT though - " we NEED fat " is the mantra . The problem is that for those of us with excess fat cells and/or metabolic disorder and/ or mobility issues we just may not be able to burn it off . I find eating carbs and strongly limiting fats to be a far more FORGIVING way of eating that works WELL with WLS - at least in my case so far . Do you honestly believe people haven't tried low fat/low carb previously? Low fat/low carb works for you, for me full fat/no white carb/unlimited good carbs works for me and I've been at goal over 2 years. I'm over the honeymoon days. ;o) Seriously, talking about how good you look in a bikini on a failed WLS board is really tasteless, tacky, and just kinda mean. I know you from the MB and I know you aren't this heartless so maybe edit your post? |
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| Post Date: 4/25/10 7:41 am I really really like what U had to say on Ur site . That said I think there IS more to this recovery from compulsive overeating stuff than "just getting to a "normal " BMI which many people ( but by no means all )here ...seem to be satisfied with. I DO think there is a new generation of ( often ) lighter weight bariatric patients out here who DO want to be that california -girl beach Barbie - who havent permanently disconnected themselves from their skinnygirl dreams . And who knows maybe a few people who perviously were happy with 200 lbs who might now be wishing to maintain at 160 or less . I dont think its a crime or flaunting to show bikini pics ...rather proof that skin CAN snap back that we CAN have beautiful bodies after a 100 plus pound weight loss and the life improvements ARE worth struggling and sacrificing for TODAY . One woman's reason for resignation is another woman's inspiration in other words . As a true food rebel - I wonder how many people on the Failed Weight Loss Surgery board eat for entertainment ( like I do ) snack between meals ( like I do ) eat twice as much or more than they're supposed to at meals ( like I do ) . Im just giving THEM hope and a concrete way too that yes U can be a stubborn overeater and STILL somehow lose .... That said Ive been GAINING ...so I might have to come on this board for MORE than just trying to help ... I need some advice !!   |
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| Post Date: 4/9/10 6:03 am Live ; one of the life lessons I'm re-learning is that U can only help people who are already trying to help themselves and that you affect their lives very LITTLE even then. That said ...I wasted SO MANY years blaming myself ( and having society blame me unfairly ) for my food addiction when in fact it was largely a problem with my BODY - a severe , congenital hiatal hernia that made me be constantly hungry whose internal pain I "fixed" from early childhood with constant excess food. Then of course my body made excess fat cells - and I've been ( largely futilely ) trying to empty through diet ever since .... I can SO RELATE to people of truly large size because I KNOW i could have so easily gone down that road had God not given me SOME hope and a SLIGHT way out , at least to MODERATE my weight gain over the years ... and that way was a lowfat diet and enjoyable exercise .... Without this wonderful bariatric tool I would still be a diabetic, helpless CHUNK - but with it and a lowfat diet ....I've been set free in, amazingly, just a few short months. Yes I REALLY FEEL i escaped DEATH ROW - and would love to pass the key along to other poor prisoners . If it only helps ONE person - thats a God - given miracle - I know that - but we are such good, wonderful,worthwhile people.... |
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 Duodenal Switch (04/05/10) Member Since: 03/26/08[Latest Posts] | Post Date: 4/21/10 5:00 pm Why don't we try diet and exercise? Gee, never thought of that. |
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| Post Date: 5/5/10 5:03 pm I have news for you, maintenance is *MUCH* harder than the losing stage. You are just now entering the hard part. Surgery is easy, losing is not so bad, maintaining is a ***** THAT is where you learn if you honestly made a lifestyle change or not. When you are talking about fat vs. sugar and claiming fat will get you fatter than sugar will, you really are showing your newbie-ness. ;o) Most people with WLS have carb issues and carb triggers. For me if I eat flour I'm stuck in a carb cycle. I can't quit eating it and I can't get enough. For most it is sugar, they can't put the cookies and pies down. For you to suggest that they cut down on fat and increase sugar is... well, not really great advice. Especially considering the fact that the human body needs fat to actually lose weight. Yes, you need some fat in your diet to lose and to live. The human body does not need sugar. You are making a newbie mistake of assuming if it worked for you it will work for everyone. Big bad mistake. I'm not in the honeymoon stage that you are in, I'm done with that. I eat a full fat, low WHITE carb diet. We can live without cookies. We can't live without fat. Low fat worked for you, wonderful. Low white carbs worked for me. Low carbs overall work for those with PCOS and diabetes. Please stop defending your bikini comment, it was out of line for this particular forum. When people are struggling for you to come here and flaunt that in front of them is not the person I know you to be on other boards. |
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| Post Date: 8/10/10 2:42 am Im posting this several months after the initial post ...and struggling with regain and just plain failure to lose ENOUGH myself . I think we all have different ways we can make our bodies ( finally ) respond to WLS ..... and trying them all makes sense when we struggle . Personally Id rather be able to eat a lot of food ...and be able to graze occasionally .... which I CAN do with my fat free /low sugar /high fiber choices . Other people diet other ways ...and can stick to it . I totally get that . Im depressed today because I feel that my surgery just wasnt radical enough - that though it reset my baseline it isnt low enough for me to work and live happily . I work in front of the camera and im just not thin enough to return to doing what i love .....and am SO frustrated , frankly . Does anyone have any useful suggestions ? I DID try adding some fat BTW in the form of evening primrose oil capsules and flaxseed oil capsules and it DOES work to control my appetite so THANKS . So glad we can HELP each other on here ....   |
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