3rd revision??

I had a sleeve lost 50 pounds gained it back and they did a revision to rny to fix the reflux damage 

Rny lost 25 rulled out surgery wasn't meant for me 

Gained the 25 plus another 25 

Now they want to do dual and switch and found out my insurance covers it at 90 percent 

 I'm trying to be active but with now my back slippage I cant. I am so tired of seeing so many nutrients and diet programs and medicine and therapy. .

I'm so tired of failed surgeries 

I don't think you can have a true DS without a sleeve.  I had a sleeve previously and was revised to a RNY and there is nothing left of my stomach now other then my little pouch.  No more revisions for me.

What it sounds like they want to do is give you an extended RNY, otherwise known as the worse of both worlds.  You get the side effects of a pouch and the upkeep of the DS.  Malabsorption is really risky and should not be undergone lightly.  Compliance is very important and not to be mean but it doesn't sound like your track record with compliance is too good.

I'm not judging.  I had a DS and was very non compliant and paid a heavy price.  My revision was to reduce my malabsorption and give me a pouch.  The only reason I have done as well as I have is because I decided that this time I would actually follow the instructions.  I have a tool but it is useless if I don't use it.  You have the same tool.  Why aren't you using it?  I promise you, all the revisions in the world will not help you if you don't address your eating issues.

Continuing to overeat on refined carbs is going to have consequences, mainly in the form of gas and loose stools.  There is no free lunch.  No matter what surgery you have you will have to make lifestyle changes.  Have you been able to do that to this point?  Why do you think being opened up and sliced and diced once again will be any different than the first two times?  What will be different this time?

If you keep doing what you've been doing you will keep getting what you've been getting.

I read this reply to the original post. I posted on here recently after a failed revision. I was just appalled by your tough love comment. You say you're not being judgmental and yes, your comment has truth to it. I just really think anyone who is going through any sort of revision is already having a tough time. For those like myself who have even failed at revision doesn't need it drilled into their heads how and why they've failed..I'm pretty sure we get it and already upset with ourselves. Everyones story is different and before trying to be mom like by saying eat your veggies kid..have some compassion. Be supportive but in a positive way instead of bashing. I know you'll read my comment and put me in my place per say ..it is what it is. 

Believe me, I'm not trying to make you feel bad.  I beat myself to hell over regaining 100 lbs.  I didn't need anyone to do it for me.

I am just hoping that my experience will help people open their eyes to why they've regained.  It's not because we are bad people, it's because we have eating problems, problems that are not addressed with WLS.  I think any surgeon who does a revision on someone (mine included) without helping them understand why they failed their first surgery, is doing them a grave disservice.  I just hate to see people have surgery without understanding why they need it again.

There are those who truly didn't fail, their surgery failed them, either because it is inadequate like the lap band, or because it wasn't done right or something out of their control happened to make it fail.  

But for those of us who ate their way into regain because we didn't make the most of our tool, I think it benefits them to work on those issues before going under the knife again.

Revision is major surgery, even more than the first one.  There is scar tissue and weaken staple lines and longer anesthesia times.  I'm not saying anyone takes it lightly, I just think they aren't giving themselves their best chances without thoroughly examining what lead them there.

I'm sorry you think my words are condeming and mean.  I certainly don't mean to come off that way.  But I found that sugar coating and hand patting didn't reach me as much as the cold hard truth did.  Especially when it came from someone who lived their reality.

If I wind up regaining my weight again, and believe me this isn't a remote possibility given my history, I would never subject myself to more surgery.  Because in cases like mine surgery isn't the answer.  Dealing with an emotional issue with a physical solution doesn't make sense.  It is like trying to cure mental illness by taking out the appendix.  Well, maybe that is too far fetched but it is the closest I can come to.

For me, having a revision without seriously addressing the eating issues and perhaps addictions and understanding and working on them is like giving an alcoholic a new liver while they are still drinking.  Soon they will blow through that one, too.

That isn't to say that all the work in the world will prevent a relapse.  There are no cures as far as I know, but it gives the best chance there is to beat it.

Sorry if my tone didn't convey my sincere caring for people who have suffered with obesity and still struggle after WLS.  It wasn't my intention.  There is nothing more demoralizing than to fail at the last good chance you feel you have to get better.  It's like all the doors are now closed and the last resort didn't even work.  I felt hopeless and lower than dirt.  I was embarrassed to face my friends and family who knew I had WLS and saw me lose all the weight, only to watch it pile back on like every other time before.

But you aren't hopeless.  And a revision may be what you need.  But before you do that just make sure you get all the advantages you can so you can learn from your first experience and use what you learn to be successful.  I truly don't think I would have been able to maintain a normal weight all these years had I not had my first humiliating experience.  But more important to me is not what I weigh but the fact that it has been over 4 years since I've actively practiced my food addiction.

I did not see anything bad in your post. Lots of people are on here for the hand holding. (Not calling names or making reference to the OP) It's just people get offended so easily.

For me and my food addiction, I did not and do not need or want the pat on the head or hand holding. I love that you are true to yourself and that you lay it out there.

This is not an easy process and yes we can mess it up. Everyone needs to know that and hear that. Yes, we need to address our head issues. Especially people seeking a revision that is medically needed.

Again, I loved your post and needed to see that today. 

Are we reading the same post??????

There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with Lady Tazz's reply to the OP so I'm not sure why you feel a need to make this sort of reply to her!   She stated her experience and gave very good advice.  I don;t see any advice to the OP in your reply - just an opportunity taken to someone who is trying to help!

OP:  Lady Tazz has given you excellent advice - not having success with two surgeries should make you reconsider your actions before you submit yourself to what is a second rate 3rd revision.   I would not have an ERNY if I were in your shoes, but if you choose to do so, you really DO need to examine what you have done for the past two surgeries for them to be so unsuccessful.

As you well know, revision is not the answer if you do not make the changes to make WLS work ...

I wish you good luck!

The good thing about Ladytazz's posts is that she always tells people honestly how she personally "went wrong". She doesn't preach or judge, she warns!

A successful Wls patient, who has had no problems needs to take care not to preach! A person who has the integrity to tell how she caused her own problems and how she had the strength to overcome them, deserves not only praise, but to be listened to. 

I didn't see anything at all wrong with that reply.  It was honest without being harsh.  I can understand that you might be extra sensitive about the subject and I think you read things into it that were not there.  

I dont know you or your history, obviously, but I also have to wonder if you have moved past the point of  "being upset" about having failed even with a revision and are actually doing something to address the psychological, emotional, and behavioral issues that caused the multiple failures yourself.  Addressing those issues is going to do far more for you than another surgery.

Lora

Not harsh in the least. It is very important for us as post ops to tell the truth rather than hand pat and say "there, there, love".

LT is not bashing at all. She puts herself and her story out there and actually helps people, rather than spewing unicorn glitter. She has more compassion-because she tells folks what they NEED to hear rather than what they WANT to hear-than the ridiculous hand patters who just want to play into the feel-good, victim mentality. Personal responsibility has to come into play at some point, and that is one of the things LT is advocating.

There wasn't a single thing wrong with that post. She shared her story, and warned the OP about the potential danger of a third surgery, as well as the very real possibility of a third failure, if the op doesn't learn to deal with her food issues. There was no malicious intent, only a dose of reality, tempered with some common sense.