5+ Years- Thoughts on Regain

ThinLizzy
on 1/4/13 12:03 am - CA

I am almost 5 1/2 years post VSG. Let me start by saying: I have NOT regained, other than my usual  3 pounds over the holidays, which I am working on. I DID have a 7 pound regain at about 3 years out and that took me about 2 YEARS to deal with and lose.

My sleeve sister Elina's current struggle with 3 pounds inspired me to give those of you who are newly sleeved a bit of an idea of how things progress..it's just my own personal experience, but I hope it helps...(repost from what I wrote in Elina's post)...

 

Year 1--you lose the bulk of your weight, you look great, it's  pretty easy, and in your heart of hearts, you really can't imagine how you could possibly eat enough to gain 100 + pounds back

Year 2-life is awesome, you have all skinny new clothes and shoes and may even still be losing a little bit and  you still feel like it's totally under control and you can allow yourself some occasional indulgences..

Year 3-okay, I've GOT this! I'm thin, yay! But I can eat a bit more and some of my old habits are coming back and I find myself standing in front of the refrigerator looking for something to eat even though I'm not really hungry...and OMG I'VE GAINED 2 pounds..oh well, they're gone quickly but 3 months later, it's 4 pounds and they're a little harder to lose...hmmm

Year 4-present- Hmm, this may not be as easy as I thought. I feel completely normal now, and that's not good--because for me, normal, means weight gain. DRAT. I have to stop this! But I'm eating well! I'm exercising! Oh no, I may have to diet again...I may have to cut out the small treats and indulgences that I love and that, since maintenance, I managed to incorporate...

FOREVER: It's always going to be a battle.

Yes, it happens this way. The good news is that the wonderful tool we have doesn't go away and we can always get back into losing mode with far less hunger than before. But the head hunger, the bad habits, the sweet tooth, the tendency to graze, to comfort oneself with food, are ALL still there.

So, I am thankful that I have made new habits--Protein First is my "Go-To" strategy and has been since Day 1. Is this easy? Well, my natural inclination would be: Sweets! Bread! Pasta! So, yes, it's tough--but, by now, it's also pretty natural to go for protein first and leave the carbs.

Above all, I need to keep my head in the game. I am not normal and never will be. I have accepted that this is a life long battle, one that I could NOT win pre-VSG.

I AM confident that I will prevail and keep my weight off.

Happy New Year!

Lizanne

6 years post VSG. Below Goal.
  ~105 pounds lost. BMI <23
Starting BMI-38.5, Surgery 08/14/07

Elina_7
on 1/4/13 12:12 am
VSG on 06/30/09 with

Here are my thoughts on the same topic from the same thread, I thought that both of our responses work synergistically.

There are a few reasons why it is harder the further out we get, hopefully ThinLizzy will also chime in as she is five years out and has also battled the same issues.  The first and probably most important reason is that we simply learn to eat around our sleeve.  I know that this seems strange early out, but believe me, it get much easier to do this the further out you get.  Also, your hunger increases and your cravings come back.  It is never as strong, in most cases, as it was before surgery, but that wonderful lack of hunger is usually temporary.  Third, the more carbs that you let into your eating, the more carbs you crave.  And finally, capacity does get larger with time.  It might not be a significant amount, but if you think that even an extra 100 calories a day makes a huge difference, you will understand why even a small amount of extra capacity can and often does become an issue. For those people that say, "Well just eat healthy foods and the larger capacity is not going to be a problem", I say, how did that work for you pre-op?  The reality is that our smaller capacity is our safety net, and that net gets smaller with time.  It becomes more and more just us, not unlike it was before surgery.  I know that it is common to hear that "We will always have our tool", yes, to some extant this is true, but it is less true with time.  The tool is less effective and you have to rely more on your new habits.  This is why exercise is more important in maintenance, and why those people that just think that the sleeve will take them to goal and keep them there without doing all the mental work required, are just fooling themselves.  Regain happens because the tool is less effective over time, and because we become more effective at eating around it and finally because  reinforcers that are available to us early out are no longer available to us later in maintenance.  What I mean is that the scale no longer brings you the good news, there are no more compliments and nobody notices when you gain a few pounds.  The reinforcers are not there.

So that's the bad news.  The good news, is that I still get full on about half the food I needed before surgery, the hunger and cravings are at only about 50% of what they were, I have learned many new coping strategies and have had the time to reset my thinking about food.  I have a regain red line and if/when I reach it, I have a ready plan of action; complete and detailed and ready to go. The good news is that I refuse to play ostrich and will attack regain early. I have an active support system that I have no problem engaging the minute I need it.  I exercise and I have set myself up for success.  Maintenance can be done, but it is much harder long term than weight loss.  Just remember, I am now 3.5 years out and I am still 108 lbs. 2 pounds under the original goal set by my very conservative doctor.  I will be 105 lbs by the 16th of this month, you can bet good money on it.

 

      

Sleeveless
on 1/4/13 2:11 am - CA
VSG on 11/26/12 with

Thank you for sharing this very valuable info. Maintenance has always been harder for me than losing, and I can see it will still be that way post-VSG. 

I really hope I am up to the challenge. 

    

        
AnnieinIA
on 1/4/13 4:28 am
Thanks to both Lizzy and Elina. The way Lizzy described the years was almost hypnotic to me. I think the seduction of "being normal" is an incredibly strong pull. We want to look normal, feel normal, engage in normal activities with our kids. So when we start to look to the world as if we ARE normal, we tell ourselves it's true. NO IT ISN'T TRUE. That is the message you are giving us and I, for one, hear you loud and clear.

Food is our drug of choice. I knew a woman who seemed normal in every way. Nice, traditional wife and stay at home mom. One day she told me about the days, 20 years earlier, when she was a practicing heroin addict. My mind could not envision her in that context. But then her eyes took on a different look as she talked about the heroin and how it made her feel "comfortable in her own skin".

Food is my heroin and my vigilance must be just as strong - and lifelong.

Annie
full-of-hopen
on 1/4/13 7:08 am

THANK YOU Lizzy and Elina...appreciate this so very much; "Ditto" to what Annie said. Barb

fran67
on 1/4/13 7:38 am - NJ
VSG on 03/08/12 with
Thanks for this wonderful post. I'm not in maintenance yet but I realized over the holidays that I'm one of those people who has fooled herself into thinking that I can be "normal". I realily thought I could just have a bit here and there like everyone else and get back on program. Well, once I let the bad stuff in, I found myself bingeing at night like I used to. I could not eat the amounts I used to but man, I could still eat a lot of **** I shouldn't be having. Time to start really working on my head and come up with a plan to avoid this behavior in the future.

   
  4' 11" HW 218 SW 214 Original Goal of 125 in 8.5 mos Lowest Weight 119 CW 133 Trying to get back in the 122-128 range 

    

Miss150
on 1/4/13 7:45 am

I am so very glad I found this forum- and so grateful that there are those of you who have had AND MAINTAIN successful weight losses and post your wisdom on it.  Thank you for your time and caring.  I read and I learn and prepare for that time when I will have to be a mature-grown up person, willing to take responsibility for my body/mind/soul in this.  It's NOT ironic that I lost more than half the weight I needed to in the "conventional way"  before having the surgery.  I know that, for me, losing the weight is not my war (a huge battle, yes- but not the war) The war for me always has been maintaining the loss.  KEEP POSTING- YOU VETERANS OUT THERE-YOU'RE SCHOOLING US OUT HERE AND I'M READY TO LEARN.

  goal!!! August 20, 2013   age: 59  High weight: 345 (June, 2011)  Consult weight: 293 (June, 2012)  Pre-Op: 253 (Nov., 2012) Surgery weight: 235 (Dec. 12, 2012) Current weight: 145

 TOTAL POUNDS LOST- 200 (110 pounds lost before surgery, 90 pounds lost Post Op.diabetes in remission-blood pressure normal-cholesterol and triglyceride levels normal!  BMI from 55.6  supermorbidly obese to 23.6  normal!!!!  

 

 

FutureHopes
on 1/4/13 7:51 am - Minneapolis, MN

Wow, very insightful posts from both of you ladies. I haven't yet made it to the loser's bench, let alone maintenance.  Your posts really put this thing into perspective. I need to stay on top of it from the beginning. The posts were scary to me in a good way, they make me open my eyes and realize that i will ALWAYS have an addiction, i will always be a food addict. The only way to truly maintain my weight is to not let any weight "slip on", and most importantly, no excuses. If it happens, deal with it immediatly.

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blackegi
on 1/4/13 8:01 am
VSG on 08/07/12

Thank you both for sharing this. As a newbie, it helps to be reminded that this a long-life challenge but doesnt have to be a battle!! It's very easy to fall back to old habits-VERY, and I'm learning this at 5 months out-not 5 years. But my first retreat is back to the basics: water-protein-water-and yeah, protein again.

 

Congrats on your success longterm!

~Regena from SC: /Surgery Weight 317/Highest Weight 321
               

Faye56
on 1/4/13 8:35 am

Thank you Lizzy and Elina!! I need to hear all of your wisdom that you can dish out. I thought I was in maintenance but I am back in the game of losing. I am about a yr and half out and have gained 4 to 5 lbs. I know it does not sound like much but it is when you trying to get it off again! Maintenance in my past weight loses was always my problem too. I don't know why I thought this would be different. I have got (getting) my head back in the game and focused. It seems so much harder getting in the loss mode than it was even pre op. I am going to do this though...I am not going back to where I was.

Thanks again for your help and this board for the support!  

   

 "Encourage instead of criticize.  Love instead of hate.  Hope instead of doubt. Give instead of take.  Trust instead of worry.  We open our hearts to others so that they will be prompted to open their hearts to God"  Lucy Swindoll

 


 


 



 

 

 

 

 

 

slimpickins5280
on 1/4/13 9:16 am - CO

This is why I hope that newbies figure out why it is SO important to learn what triggers bad eating for each of us. Is it holiday comfort food that takes us back to our childhood? Is it reaction to stress that forces our hand to grab a chip? What is it? Being aware of our thoughts and feelings is a huge part of the battle - at least it is for me. I still have to figure out why I eat like crap when I'm at a party.

Whether you consider yourself addicted to food, carbs, etc or not - if you don't figure out what triggers your eating - or in some cases, drinking - your likelihood of regain is high, imo.

Thank you both for the healthy dose of reality.

VSG 10/18/11      If you don't like the road you're walking, start paving another one.-Dolly Parton





 


 

Gymnopedie
on 1/4/13 9:45 am

Great post! 

 

As a new sleever, one thing that I am learning is to figure out what my triggers are. 

I am an emotional eater.  HUGELY. 

My go to now when I meander to the fridge at unscheduled times is to grab a glass of water with lemon, or a cup of earl grey.  :)

frisco
on 1/4/13 10:36 am
VSG on 09/30/09 with

This is such a valuable post by ThinLizzy.......

I hope you all really digest this...... I am.....

ThinLizzy and Elina are among the few we should really take notes on.... I do......

Maintaining a goal weight is why we did this....... right????

frisco

SW 338lbs. GW 175lbs. Goal in 11 months. CW 148lbs. WL 190lbs.

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ruggie
on 1/4/13 12:36 pm - Sacramento, CA
VSG on 07/06/11 with

Thanks so much Lizanne for posting this - it's such a great message, and so helpful, and I will definitely be taking the spirit with me as I move from year 2 to year 3!!!

     

Heaviest weight:  310 pounds  (Male, 5'10")