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Topic: RE: The more I lose the fatter I feel. . . anyone else?
I should point out I'm like a 24 right now  -- not an 18.  Size 18 is where I look the most out of proportion. I have some pretty funny photos at that size.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: The more I lose the fatter I feel. . . anyone else?

It think part of it is that women tend to take on funky proportions as they lose substantial amounts of  weight and continue to focus on the parts that are still 'big' rather than what's now disproportionately little.  My mother is fixated on her stomach, for example, when the rest of her is beauitfully trim and well proportioned.

I  tend to gain from the bottom up and lose from the top down.  Down just 30lbs pre-op, I'm 3 sizes smaller on the top than the bottom. The smaller I get, the more pear-shaped until I hit a point where the giant bedonkadonk starts to finally go away and fit the relatively petite rest of me.  That's like a size 10.  At size 18, I look like a  Weeble. It is what it is. 

That is one lesson I've learned from the yo-yo dieting.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Pay for sleeve with 401k
Bleeping autocorrect! Surging= withold

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Pay for sleeve with 401k
Keep in mind the tax implications of taking a distribution - they will surging 28% plus you pay. 10% penalty if you are under 59 1/2. You are much better of taking a loan put if you can. You would probably have to stay in you job, though. I took a loan against ours at 4.25%. The good thing is you pay the interest to yourself.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Pre-op Marathon (Long day, Long Post)
I did my marathon pre-op day yesterday, and It was quite interesting.  My husband works across the street from the hospital; so, he dropped me off at 8:00am.  We left at 6:30pm. 

I started out doing my fasting labs after which I went and pre-paid my bill.  I had 1 1/2 hours to wait; so, I went to the cafe for tea and a protein shake.   I relaxed, watched a movie on neflix on my phone (yeah, iPhone), and then headed off to nutrition and 'pre-op' class at 10:45. 

Class was with the NUT was interesting. There were 16 of us, 12 of whom (I think) are having surgery the same day (bands & sleeves).  The bypasses are done a different day.  Much of the 'class' was the same information as the online class we were required to complete before hand; however, it was good to be able to ask questions.  We got our binders with the detailed surgical information and diet progression. The head nurse came in after the NUT and explained how to wash, our blood clot prevention techniques, what to do and where to go on surgery day, etc.  

Some points of interest:

1) if you're struggling getting fluids in, they would prefer you skip a meal and drink a shake so that you can continue sipping instead of waiting an hour.

2) the reason for all the dairy (2 servings per day)  is that calcium inhibits fat storage in the body and actually destroys fat cells.

3) We all got protein goals.  Mine is 63-78g per day (no more, no less) based on my petite (read that as short)  stature.

4) Worry about protein, carbs will take care of themselves.

We went from class to the Surgeon's office to pay our bills (co-pay or full-pay), for our pre-op physical with the doctor, metabolic testing, body composition testing, and a group consult with the exercise physiologist explaining our results.  It was a long afternoon with a lot of move here, now there, and so on.  It was interesting, however.  

My surgeon answered my questions although I got a 'look' when I asked if lack of ghrelin impairs learning (as suggested in one study I read) and possibly cognitive function. He said that's been suggested by some but questionable.  I also  found out my soon-to-be bougie size (36fr).  The doc indicated that should leave me with a 3oz protein capacity.  I was told to keep on my diet and continue exercising.  OK then...

With the exercise physiologist,  I found out my Resting-Metabolic-Rate (1843 Kcal), and that I'm carrying 117lbs of lean mass (sounds great until you figure I'm still 50+% fat).  I'm going to lose lean mass, but the physiologist suggested as long as I stay above105lbs of lean mass, I should maintain my metabolism.

Of the 16 total, 4 were RNY, 6 bands, 6 sleeves. In the waiting room, the Medicare patients having RNY and the band all would have preferred the sleeve.  One of the band patients got really pissed-off by the 'why did you choose the sleeve' discussion we were having with a 1-month post-op sleever (who coincidently lives very close to me) who was raving about the procedure while waiting for her a follow-up appointment. 

That was my last pre-op step along the way to the loser's bench.  My hospital arrival time is 10:00am; so, I'm 4th or 5th in line.  I'm pretty happy with that, lol. 

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: wii ?
Very.  Mine is spot on my surgeon's scale.  I love my Wii Fit Plus. 

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Hypothyroid
I looked at one study not long ago that tracked  thyroid meds along with diabetes aind BP meds post-op to WLS (maybe the sleeve specifically, I can't remember), and it showed little to no reduction in thyroid meds. I'll have to find it. 

My understanding is that as you lose weight, you need less T4 which converts to T3, the active hormone, in you body.  Having said that, if you already have a deficit it doesn't go away.  The thyroid just excretes less T4 and you still have to supplement (albeit less, potentially). 

I'm on a replacment dose because I don't have a working thyroid anymore. Mine will have to be checked and possibly adjusted down every 8 weeks as a I lose weight or else I'll become hyperthyroid since all of my T4 is synthetic.  Even so, I'm at .224mg/day right now. I probably won't go much lower than .175 which is about as low as I've ever taken.

I'm sure one of the RN's can weigh in here. I don't want to sound like thyroid be-all, end-all.  I've just lived with major thyroid and thyroid related disorders for most of my adult life and had to do a lot of the research before ye ol' internet made the studies available, etc. 

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Hypothyroidism
I have Grave's Disease, and I while I was hyperthyroid for about a year, I became hypothyroid after having radiation therapy to knock out my thryoid.  I have been on a complete replacement dose of thryoid meds since 1994.  If you are properly medicated, there should be no clinical symptoms.  Having said that, what are 'normal' values for thyroid levels and the correct value for any individual may differ. Until fairly recently, TSH values of >.7 to 5 where considered, 'normal.'   They have been revised down to >.4 to 3.  Most women feel best with a TSH of < 2.  I feel best at .4-1.  Work with your endocrinologist. 

Just as a note about thyroid meds, when I was diagnosed with Graves,  my  thyroid was running at about 600%.  I was VERY hyperthyroid to the point I would go for days without sleeping, I shook, and talked 90 miles an hour. I was actually diagnosed because my employer at the time (US Navy) thought I was s smoking crack and sent me for an involuntary drug screening.  I gained 30 pounds in the last 3 months before my diagnosis.  Being hypothyroid tends to kill appetite while hyperthyroid tends to stimulate it.  Even when you're metabolism is on overdrive, you can gain weight if you're eating Ben & Jerry's and McDonalds.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: How long after surgery are you still at risk for blood clots?
Per my booklet from my surgeon, the danger of blood clots peaks at 4-6 weeks post op then drops off rapidly.   I hope that helps. 

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: anyone wish they had chosen some malabsorption
If you are hypothyroid and having issues with your metabolism while medicated, you are probably undermedicated. The guidelines for 'Normal' TSH have been lowered substantially in the last few years.  At one point, TSH of .7 to 5 was considered 'normal.'  The new guidelines are from .4-3.  Some doctors have not revised medication schedules, and there are more than a few people out there who are still clinically hyopthyroid  and have low metabolisms with TSH's of 3.5-5 who are not being adequately treated.  The original guidance was based on 'average' not 'normal.'

If your medication is correct, your metabolism should be fine.   I have no thyroid function -- mine was knocked out deliberately with radiation (I-131 Therapy) for Graves' Disease.  I take a complete replacement dose of levothyroxine every day. 7-10 days off meds, and I would go into a coma and die.  Properly medicated, my metabolism s fine.  My TSH sits around .5 which is where I feel best - high normal.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Studies on malabsorption a few years out?
I attended a support group last week with a lot of pre-op (various stages) sleevers or potential sleevers.  My surgeon made an interesting statement in response to a question about stretching the pouch. 

To paraphrase:

He said you can't rely on restriction.  The portion of the stomach being removed is relatively elastic.  The portion remaining is not.  If it stretches, it won't shrink.   The key is not to think of the sleeve as a restrictive procedure so much as a grehlin production removal procedure.  You can stretch or eat around restriction, It's the lifestyle change of eating small measured portions, not drinking while eating, etc.,  that causes you to lose weight and maintain.  The removal of ghrelin and the associated hunger that makes that all possible. 

I thought this was an interesting set of observations and way to look at the sleeve.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: crushed
One thing to consider is taking a loan from a 401k if its allowed by your plan.  That's how I'm paying for my surgery rather than using cash.  The interest rate is 4.25% but I'm paying it to myself (i.e., it goes back into the 401K). That offsets some of the lost appreciation - presuming the stock market continues to do well.

Financial experts will generally argue against tapping your retirement savings; however, you have to be careful not to be 'penny wise and pound foolish.' There are credible statistics that suggest WLS pays for itself, on average, within the first year or two in terms of reduced medical expenses (medicines, co-payments), and honestly, the cost of food.  It wasn't cheep to maintain my weight at 291lbs. 

Insurance companies make actuarial decisions -- costs vs. benefits.  They pay for WLS, generally, because it's cheaper in the long run than obesity related disease. They will exclude WLS from coverage or make it expensive for employers up to the point where the actuarial models tell them differently. 

Some employers exclude WLS on philosophical grounds because obesity is to a certain extent a self-inflicted wound -- ultimately we all lifted fork to mouth.  Why make all the employees pay higher premiums as a result?  You can say the same thing about smokers, of course, which is why many employers are charging higher premiums for smokers or not hiring them in the first place.  Obesity is tougher. In some cases it's considered a protected disability under the ADA while not in others.  That means differential pricing or 'discriminatory' hiring (at least overt) are not so much an option.  Excluding certain coverage, however, is a means of keeping costs at a minimum. 

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: 8 Months Today!!!
Way to go!  Looking great!

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: 9 months postop minus 129 lbs..w/pics
Way to Go!  You've lost a whole person :) It looks like you've found yourself along the way, though.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Back to work
I'm taking 1 week off and plan to telecommute for a week after that.  If I have to, I will telecommute longer, but I'd rather get back to work because I tend to get up and move around more in the plant than I do when I'm working from home.   My big concern is my commute -- 60 miles each way. 

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: What was your surgery song?
I'm 2 weeks away from Surgery, but I"m thinking, "I Wanna Be Sedated."  Can't go wrong with the Ramones.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: REALIZE mySUCCESS
I signed up for it pre-op but only some of the site is functional until you have your surgery.  It has settings to allow your surgeon's staff to see your progress, etc.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Wow, I just realized....
Wow! Way to go!

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Help losing weight before surgery....
I'm down 24lbs pre-op.  Here's how I did it:

Nov 8-Dec 26: Atkins induction (20g net carb/day or less @around 1200 cal/day): 10lbs

Dec 27 - January 13: Surgeon's pre-op Stage 1 diet - cut back on saturated fat & calories, added dairy 2x daily (greek yogurt)  kept carbs less than 30g (net) per day and cut caloriesdown to around 850 cal/day.: 14lbs  (just as a note, i ate a lot of almonds -- at least 1 1/2 ounces a day)
 
I started liquids today, and If i follow it precisely, it's almost no fat, 110g protein a day, and about 39 carbs (from dairy). I'm going to be at about 600 calories today.  I'm a bit concerned that I won't have enough fat for the fat soluble vitamins since my protien supplements (Isopure/Cytomax) have almost none. I may eat some 1% yogurt instead of fat free. They want me down another 5lbs or so  before my pre-op visit on Wed!  My surgeon insists that protein come from whey isolate, only.

I exercise daily, increasing duration by 10 minutes (daily) each week.  This week I'm at 60+ minutes a day. I'm taking 2 multivitamins a day, CoQ-10 and Benefiber 3x daily.  That's all part of my surgeon's preop program.

Hope that helps.  I wasn't hungry until today.

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: What's the best site to use to record food & calories?
I use the 'Low Carb Diet Assistant' app for iphone. 

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: any suggestions for exercise?
Wii Fit Plus provides a pretty good moderate workout.  It's limitations are you can't do any one exercise for all that long and I have yet figured out how to pause an exercise.  

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Two Weeks to Go
Starting 2 weeks of liquids this morning.  It's really a positive thing.  I'm looking at it as a trial run to get used to taking vitamins/meds, doing my commute, etc.   Wish me luck!

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Tomorrow is my day!
Best of luck to you, as well!  I'll be thinking of you, and I'm very interested to hear how it all goes. 

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Tomorrow is my day!
Best of luck to you! I'll be thinking of you tommorrow!

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122   

 

Topic: RE: Insurance said no...investigational??
Went to a support group tonight, and my surgeon explained that the reason the 'investigational' denial still comes up is that the ASMBS initial came out with a statement several years ago that said it was an investigational procedure for people with BMI's under 50 and essentially shot themselves in the foot.  

Carolyn  (32 lbs lost Pre-op) HW: 291, SW: 259, GW: 129.5, CW: 126.4 

        
Age: 45, Height: 5'2 1/4"  , Stretch Goal:  122