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    Ladytazz
    Member Since: 11/27/00
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    I guess it was the Vitamin A.

    TABLE

    Component Standard Range 1/13/2012 1/19/2012 2/9/2012 2/9/2012
    AST(SGOT) 15-41 U/L 83 101 Combined. 43
    ALT (SGPT) 13-48 U/L 164 224 Combined. 99
     

    This is less then 2 weeks after discontinuing the A.  What ticks me off is that I have been fighting for over 6 months to have my A level, along with others, checked and my PCP refused because they had been normal the last time they were checked.
    Thank you Gina for suggesting that my Vitamin A level could have caused the abnormal result.
    This is why you need to check your levels regularly to adjust your vitamin intake appropriately.  Especially fat soluble vitamins that could become toxic.
    When my A was last checked it was at the lower end of the normal range so I upped what I was taking.  My PCP didn't recommend I increase it because it was in the normal range but I wanted to get it up to be safe.
     
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    MajorMom
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     I'm so glad those levels are coming down. I hope you can get your docs on board, you've got to be able to watch all the levels of things you're supplementing.

    --g

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    bowknot
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    This is really good news! It is just one example of the amazing knowledge sharing that happens on the lightweight board!

    I love this place, my cyber-home.

    Kay
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    Ladytazz
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    Thanks.  I really appreciate the support I get on this board.  It makes me sad to realize that if I had had this kind of support with my first WLS I might have been more successful and not needed a revision, although I really believe that my stomach was left way too large and probably contributed to my failure to a great extent and that would have needed to have been addressed because I was unable to fight the constant hunger I felt.
    Revision 7/23/2010  HW 240 SW 220 CW 105
    Half the person I once was.  Now my eyes really are bigger then my stomach  
    ~"Be kinder than necessary, everyone is fighting some kind of battle"~
    All my posts are just other people's opinions that I've stolen from other boards.

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    rbb825
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    did they recheck your A?  I doubt that your A would go down that fast especially to affect your liver function tests such a difference.  Something doesn't seem right - to go down from 224 to 99 in 2 weeks seems odd.

    In April of 2010 my A was low because I had been off of it after being in the hospital for the few months in the winter. So, I went back on my normal dose of 50,000 units per day - I should have gone back on it slowly at 25,000 units but I didn't and my level skyrocketed - I went from 38 to 119 in 2 months.  So, I cut back to 3 days per week since I was affraid to stop it after what after what happened last time I stopped it, so with taking it 3 days per week nothing changed - I think it was 110.  So, I stopped it and I have been off of it since June - which has been 9 months and my level is still 110-120, for some reason my level will not go down and my liver function tests vary - one time they will be normal and the next time they will be elevated but only at around 60 - nothing like the levels you had.  Which is why I am question if a high vitamin A and especially for only a short period of time like yours can shoot up a liver function test like that and then drop it back down in 2 weeks.

    You really need to get your vitamin A retested to know if it is back to normal or not.  You can't just assume it is back to normal that is what got you into trouble in the first place.  I know your GP doesn't like to do testing - I think there is a website where you can get order your own labs but I think you have to pay out of pocket - post and ask - there is someone one here that wrote about it  that does it.
      
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    Ladytazz
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    I did request a retest of my A but the lab specimen wasn't suitable to be tested.  I am sure i will have to go back again.
    My PCP said that it may be related to my body fat since A is fat soluble.  I will talk to my doctor about it and see if she still wants me to see the liver specialist.  My gut feeling is that it was due to my A level.  That is the only change I have made in the last 2 weeks and yes, the difference is dramatic but I have no idea how long it takes for the A to go out of my system or if the reason it was high was due to my supplementing and not because I had so much stored in  my body.  
    I cannot afford to pay out of pocket for my labs so I have to rely on my doctor ordering them.  
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    Half the person I once was.  Now my eyes really are bigger then my stomach  
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    MajorMom
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    I was thinking it might be the new formula of BioTech's vit A not the A level itself. They've been using a different formula since 2010 or so and I know of at least one person who had serious liver and kidney reactions to it. Once he was off BioTech's A, his AST and ALT and kidney function returned to normal. He uses A acetate now to supplement his vit A.

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    rbb825
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    It is really weird because my vitamin A level was really low after being off  of it when I was so sick last winter so I went back on it my usual high dose of 50,000 units and in 2 months my level skyrocketed from 34 to 119 - so my NUT and Endo had me cut my dose to 4 days per week.  I did that and absolutely nothing happened - my leveled only went down to 110.  So, I stopped it completely and now 9 months later, I had it tested last month and it was at back at 119.  IT really makes no sense.  I even stopped my multi for several months for various reasons - prior to my kidney stone surgeries I wasn't allowed any vitamins other than B's and iron plus I didnt' want anything with A in it.  But that didnt' help anyway.  So, after 9 months with no vitamin A of any type, and my vitamin A level is still is way over the top.  Now try to figure that out.

    As far as my liver function goes - sometimes they are high and sometimes they are normal - they fluctuate - it seems every other lab test.  They go from 20's on one test and the 60's on the next test and then back to the 20's and then back to the 60's and then back to the 20's.  So that makes no sense either.  I am on a PPI and statin,  so they can both elevate my liver function plus I take percocet every day but with my A as high as it is, you would think it would be much higher.
      
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    Caitlyn_Cat
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    I'm very glad to hear that your labs are moving in the right direction. Liver problems are nothing to ignore.

    Now, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say something that probably will not be very popular. Lab ranges are just that- ranges. Trying to be at the tippy top is NOT always a good thing. And just because a lab is low-normal, that is NOT automatically a bad thing. It is important to follow trends, but most times a trend is more than one test. In the absence of other things that make up a big picture, lab change is often just followed and rechecked. There is a reason for this! Too much of a good thing, like Vitamin A, can turn into a bad thing. Granted, doctors are not gods, and many of them have crappy bedside manner, but they DID spend an unholy number of years learning about this stuff.

    I have been very impressed by the knowledge in our community, and the people here are great resources and advocates, but PLEASE be careful with supplements. Extra Vitamin A, or potassium for another example, can be dangerous.
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    MajorMom
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    That's the thing, they didn't learn about over the counter vitamins, they learned how to fix us when we're broke. There's a new brand of doc out there that learns a more holistic approach to health but you'd be very hard pressed to find a holistic surgeon. Even dietitians roll their eyes at surgeons trying to give nutritional and vitamin advice...I think it's hilarious.

    --g

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    rbb825
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    doctors and surgeons have very little training in nutrition and supplements.  They probably took one class in medical school and for many of them that could be 10 or 20 years ago.  Also what they learned is for people with normal digestion not someone with malabsorbtion like we have.  Most of us here on these boards no a hell of alot more than most of the surgeons and doctors out there, even most of the NUTS.

    yes, too much vitamin A is a bad thing but too little is just as bad - you can loose your sight.  I was at the very low end of the range and my NUT put me on high dose vitamin A supplementation which was needed and my sight got much better, especially at night

    yes, potassium is a very serious thing and needs to be checked frequently - unfortunately many surgeons feel we only need labs every 6months and some only feel we need them yearly which is absolutely absurb -you know much can change in a year?  I get mine done every 3 months and sometimes more frequently than that to recheck things that were adjusted and many times we find that isn't often enough because we find many things that are off and need adjusting.  IF we waited 6 months or  a year, I can't imagine how much worse off I would be - it would be a disaster.

    they also don't check enough stuff and tell patients things are normal when in fact things are not.  things like vitamin D and B12 need to be at optimal levels not just in the normal range.  If someone has a B12 level of 300-400 which is technically in the normal range, they are at risk for nerve damage and many surgeons will tell them all is fine.  My surgeon told me at 400 that I was dangerously low and I need to do daily injections for a week and then continue 3 times per week after that to keep my levels up.
      
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