Question:
Should I have WLS open or laprascopic?

I have been to the consult with the surgeon last month and he said that I was a candidate for wls.He is going to begin performing this surgery laprascopically in the next few months.I originally wanted it done this way but now I am worried that the risk of complications may rise because of his inexperience doing the surgery this way.I have weighed the pros and cons and the open way sounds sooooooooo painful!!Can the doc submit my approval request before I decide which way to have this surgery done?How awful is the open procedure will I wake up yelling in pain like other people have?    — natalie J. (posted on August 14, 2003)


August 14, 2003
I had my RNY open and I didn't find it particularly painful. There was pain but the doctor made sure it was controlled. This surgery wasn't as painful as my c-section and I went back to work full time at two weeks post-op with no problems. By the way, I was 55 when I had surgery and weighed 346 pounds so I would think that I would have had a harder time than younger people who weigh less. If I had it to do again, I would and I would go with open.
   — Patty_Butler

August 14, 2003
My starting BMI was 57 and I had open (cut from sternum to just above the belly button). Pain was minimal, never scream. Remember panting a bit to take a bowel movement or when I moved to quickly, but pain killers worked really well and I was in less pain than with my first c-section. Frankly, I'd choose lap if I had to choose again, however, I'd choose open rather than have an inexperienced lap surgeon working on me. Good luck - rough decision!
   — [Deactivated Member]

August 14, 2003
The reason I chose open vs. Lap is my surgeon said that the risk for a leak is much lower. He said he can hand stitch the pouch rather than just staples. Since infection from a leak is one of the major causes of death, I chose the open. Also, time on the table under anesthesia is much less with open. I am only 4 months out and can't even remember the pain, morphine is great stuff!
   — blank first name B.

August 14, 2003
I haven't had my surgery yet, but I've decided to go with lap RNY. My surgeon has 400 LAP surgeries under his belt, though. He has taught the lap surgery to other surgeons. He does lap 95% of the time, even when patients have high BMIs. He can do the lap in 90 minutes. Believe it or not, I'm not doing an infomercial (infopost?) on my surgeon. :) I'm just showing you that the guy has plenty of experience. Just because your surgeon does not have the experience does not mean he'll be bad at the surgery. In fact, he may go on to be the Marlon Brando of lap RNY. But do you personally want to be one of the first he operates on lap? If you don't mind, I say go for it. If you hesitate, go for the open surgery. You'll still lose the weight and 10 years down the road you more than likely won't care which way you had the surgery. Good luck to you!
   — jenn_jenn

August 14, 2003
I had my surgery performed lap and I am very happy with it. However, it is more difficult to perform lap and I think requires more experience. My surgery took 1 1/2 hours, but you often read here about much longer lap procedures. My surgeon, an experienced lap surgeon, said that when he was first performing the rny it took much much longer. I think it is really important to choose somebody with lots of lap experience if that's the way you are going. There's lots of money to be made off of obesity and lots of doc's are jumping on the money train, so pick your surgeon wisely. Good luck. Lynda ME/FL
   — [Deactivated Member]

August 14, 2003
Mine was open and I'm glad. I'd rather have them SEE what is before them, in real time and size. Not a camera and have to use that to see behind body parts. I hear they sometimes nick bowels in LAP. I'm sure it could happen with Open too. There are advantages to LAP, and advantages to Open. Myself, I personally feel Open is safer. I certainly would'nt want to have a LAP with someone who is'nt to experienced with it. However I've had 14 surgeries in my life, with more to come. Some things have gone well and others EXTREMELY bad. So I look at medicial procedures and such different than most people. I'm looking for anything that hopefully is safer. My "gut feeling" (pun intended-lol) is Open is safer. But LAP people have good reasons for their surgery too. In the end, you must weigh out the pros and cons and YOU make the desicion. Good luck!
   — Danmark

August 14, 2003
The surgeons group that did my surgery make the decision for you. They prefer to do 80% of theirs lap for various reasons but sometimes have to open you up. Mine was open. They make the decision based on your previous surgeries and etc. many factors weigh into whether you can have lap or open.
   — Delores S.

August 14, 2003
Lap surgery takes a HIGHLY skilled Lap surgeon and I would not opt for Lap with someone who is just starting to do it. These days I think that there are more complications than need be because of lack of experience. You surgery with a new Lap surgeon could take many hours, like 5-6, as opposed to around an hour for open or Lap w/ a highly skilled Lap surgeon. If you want Lap I would look around, otherwise go with what your surgeon knows best.
   — Carol S.

August 14, 2003
Laparoscopic surgery is a truly wonderful option if you are in the hands of an experienced, trained laparoscopic surgeon. If your surgeon is relatively new and inexperienced in this technique, then the risk factors of longer anesthesia time and operative complications are significantly increased. As a critical care nurse who has observed and assisted with lap surgery, I did alot of research for myself and the other four members of my family that ended up with lap RNYs. Although surgeons have to start somewhere, I personally would not have chosen to have lap surgery with a surgeon who is new or inexperienced in the techniques, unless he/she could provide proof of extensive training or internship with an expert in the field. There are a number of "myths" about lap surgery that seem to surface from time to time in this group....that lap surgery takes much longer than open surgery....that the surgeon can't see as well....that the risks of complications are greater. All of these statements are basically false IF the surgeon has extensive experience. In reality, an uncomplicated lap RNY generally takes about an hour....red flags should go up all over your world when you read about a standard, uncomplicated lap RNY taking 3-8 hours. In addition, the surgeon can see the operative area much more clearly with the lap cameras than any surgeon can see with the naked eye....the smallest nerves and blood vessels are exposed to view..."nicks" to other organs and structures unfortunately happen during any surgery more frequently than most folks realize, irrespective of whether the procedure is lap or open. Lastly, the risk of complications (hernias, wound infections, etc...) are dramatically less with lap surgeries. The issue of post-op pain should not really be your primary concern since current pain management protocols in most hospitals have improved significantly over past years. However, less post-op pain and more rapid post-op recovery and return to normal day-to-day function are also strong selling points for lap surgery. The bottom line for me was always that I and my family would choose lap surgery if we could have the services of a highly trained and experienced lap surgeon. If not, then we would all have happily had open surgery. After all, it is the final result that is most important, not necessarily how we achieve it. Best wishes!
   — Diana T.

August 14, 2003
First of all...good luck with either choice you choose. When I had my procedure done, it was done via Lap. That night I had severe gas pains from the procedure (and I was on morphine too). The gas pain I'm talking about is from the air they fill your belly up with to do the Lap procedure. The following day they found a leak and I then had an open procedure done to correct the leak. There was very little discomfort following this procedure. If I had to do it all over again I would have preferred to have the open procedure done the first time. But that's just MY opinion.
   — John B.

August 15, 2003
When all is said and done, the biggest difference is the insicion. My surgeon does both open and lap, but prefers open just because he likes to be able to see things for himself. My RNY was done open, and I have no regrets. My pain was easily managed, and I have had no complications.<p>While there are risks associated with all surgeries, the risks and complications are higher with lap than open. Granted, the numbers are small, but they are still higher.</p><p>The main thing is to find a surgeon who is competent and whom you trust. Search for and talk to their patients and see what they have to say. Go to their support group meetings. Your research will pay off!</p><p>Good luck!</p>
   — Rachel T.

August 15, 2003
I absolutely have to agree with Diana! There are those "myths" about lap surgery. Do be aware that even when surgeons have completed extensive training to do lap surgery, they most always have another surgeon who has even more experience there with them. And as far as using the camera, that can give the surgeon a magnified view of a single stitch, if need be, far more definative than simply what the human eye can see. Plus, with all the trocars in the abdomen, the surgical field is actually bigger than on open incision with retraction. I found all the arguments for open pretty groundless. I am very fortunate that my surgeon is the head of endoscopic and laparoscopic surgery at a major teaching hospital! My recovery was blessedly short and uncomplicated with lap RNY. The bottom line is that you have to go with what you (and your surgeon) think is best for you.
   — koogy

August 15, 2003
I had surgery 8 days ago.I had it Lap and wouldn't go any other way.I had the choice of three,Lap Band or Open I chose the Lap and it was the best choice for me.I had very little pain,my C section was much worse.I was the 18th person my surgeon had done Lap.He is starting the band and asked if I wanted to go that way,I would have if I didn't live so far away from him.It ment more office visits until they got the band adjusted.I'm 57 years old went in weighing 230 came out 222.So far no trouble at home and I don't forsee any.
   — Gussie

August 15, 2003
I would ask your doctor and then it is your choice. Those who have had an open say it is better; those who have had a lap say it is better. I personally had a lap. I left the hospital the next day and was only on pain meds the first night. In 4 days I was totally pain free. My sister had a lap with a minor complication and they went back in through the same LAP inscions and she is doing great. Hers was last May(02) and mine was 8-28-02. I am down 112 lbs. I am for anything less painful providing the doctor has the qualifications for it. Good Luck!
   — Linda K.

August 15, 2003
I have had both open and lap surgeries before and by far, the lap is the way to go. The scaring is minimal, the recovery time is quicker and the complications, such as hernia's, are more prevalent in open than lap. I 100 % agree with Diana's assessment. Once I decided I wanted lap, I went out and researched my area to find a good lap surgeon-experience was key. Altho my surgeon did not have extensive lap RNY experience, he had performed hundreds of other types of lap surgeries. He was a lap expert. That was good enough for me. He also told me that with lap, they have magnification of the insides, which is preferable to what the naked eye can see, so when surgeons who do open surgeries say they prefer to "see" what they are working on, a trained lap surgeon can "see" 1000 times better.
   — Cindy R.

August 16, 2003
See 1000 times better? Hmmm. Can't be that good as the chances of nicking the bowel is greater during LAP. ;)
   — Danmark

August 17, 2003
Open surgery is sometimes required, and the way my doc stated it, after you take the length of the 4-5 smaller cuts, they just about add up to the same length as an open. He prefers open, because he likes to see in real time what he is doing, but he uses lap tools to do the detail work (stiching, etc.) As far as the pain is concerned he wonders if the pain from one long incision is better than 4-5 incisions. Plus he said that if anything else needs to be done, it can be taken care of right away, while you are still there, whereas in lap there are quite a few steps to go back and do something else.
   — track

August 18, 2003
I would really like to see the statistics for how often the bowel is nicked during lap RNY as opposed to open. I think that has something to do with the skill of the surgeon rather than the method of surgery. Any links to research?
   — koogy




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