Question:
will this time be different? after wLS

i keep reading about amazing folks doing what needs to be done to improve their life after wls. excercise? ok. diet? ok. drink my water? ok. i would like to believe the same could be true for me but in the past i have always been my own worst enemy. i know i'm not the only person that tried all the diets and lost hundreds of pounds only to gain them back with interest. what makes those of you who have had success, successful? why is this time different from the last? i'm a self pay single dad of four kids and this surgery is a big chunk of cash. i see the potential benefit for all of us but only if this time can be different.    — martyp (posted on December 2, 2004)


December 2, 2004
Marty, Yup it will be a huge chunk of cash... but isn't the rest of your life worth it? How will this time be different? It won't be unless you fully commit yourself to making sure that this is the right path for you to follow. You'll hear this over and over... WLS is just a tool, you do all the hard work, and yes, it is hard work. You must keep yourself in check, you will be aided by medical marvels, but, its up to you. :) I made the decision to have my rny when I really realized if I continued to progress the way I was, I probably would not make it to my 50th birthday...a scarey thought in my book... I got myself in therapy to help me BEFORE my surgery, and still go 19 months later. I also get myself to a support group when I can, because those people know exactly how I am feeling- both physically and mentally. The bottom line? You must decide you will change, and you won't fall back into old habits... you can do it--all of us here are testaments that it can be done. Look at your children, that alone is probably enough motivation for you. Best of Luck.. don't hesitate to ask any questions. Peg L lap rny 4/9/03 311/154/-156 lbs. [email protected]
   — Peg L

December 2, 2004
Its different and heres why. A normal weight persons stomacch is the size of their fist. Baby? Baby fist? A MOs stomach is the size of their head. The very top of the stomach is the part that detects your full. With a overstretched stomach it never gets much pressure, and your always hungry. Go on a diet and your body thinks its starving:( Sending the EAT EAT EAT message, you cant ignore. Its NOT YOUR FAULT! After surgery the sensing part of the stomach is what your pouch is made of. most never feel hungry early on. It works wonderfully! See my profile, men tend to loose fast and loose it all:) The explanation is from my surgeon you can see his on line support group meeting here. <P>http://www.upmc.edu/obesitysurgery/monthlySupportGroup.htm
   — bob-haller

December 2, 2004
Marty, let me give you a slightly different take on things. Like Bob said, men lose fast and most reach their goal weight. I, being a woman, wasn't supposed to lose all of my excess weight by 13 months but I did. I was down 242 lbs by then and since then have reached a total of 252 lbs lost but tend to float in a 5-7 lb range. My goal weight is a realistic number that I can maintain without living on a diet for the rest of my life. It is 200 lbs. I hung in the mid 190's before this last PS. My hope is when everything settles down I will be between 185 and 190, but if it's 195, no big deal. My long term goal is to just keep my weight below 200. I am 5'9 and large boned in my legs, so I will always be on the larger side and losing more will just make me look horrible. Other than large bat wings there ain't no fat left above the hips after my PS's, so the top cannot get any smaller. <p>So the moral of my story here is set a realistic goal weight. One that you won't end up being a slave to. One where you can enjoy life, have some goodies occassionally and still keep things in check. I am a firm believer in counseling before and after WLS. There are so many stresses that come along with the surgery and the PO life and having that resource can end up being invaluable. You are about to make a huge change in your life. Next get involved with and stay involved with a local support group long term. I am almost 2 yrs PO and I still go. I do not get as much from it anymore as it's mostly pre-ops and early PO's but it does help me to hear them talk about why they choose surgery and the hopes they have for their new healthy lives. It keeps me more focused on why I chose this route. I was very involved with providing support to newbies from our program the 1st year PO. This past year has been a little nuts as I fell in love and got married and I have been focused on us, but I'm finding I need to get back to group and being involved more. Fortunately our program is starting up a group for people who are at least 1 yr out, as they are realizing that our issues are indeed different the further out we get. <p>I followed the program to the T and then some. I lost fast and am thrilled with my success but the truth is the old habits have indeed returned and I have not been able to push them away. Should I be able to, yes, but I am human. However, I am able to keep the beast in check because of the limitation in quantity I can eat, the malabsorption and because I know when I've gained even a few lbs and get things back in line. It is a yo-yo effect, which is not ideal, but it is the best I can do right now. I was concerned of hitting goal weight too fast and the weight loss not slowing down like most experience and how was I ever going to deal with eating more carbs than protein again in my life. Many thought I was worrying about nothing, but I knew myself. I probably would have been better had I had to struggle for every last lb, but I didn't. I went into my LBL losing 9 lbs the 10 days before surgery and in theory came out of surgery, minus 19 lbs of skin, and below goal weight. Granted it took 2 months for the scale to reflect it, but BOOM, I was at goal and how did I stop the train. My way was with carbs as I really did not know any other way to do it. I seem to malabsorb the fat quite well so even eating higher fat foods will not cause me to gain. If I just go hog wild and eat total crap and don't get any exercise, yes I gain and I could potentially gain a lot, but like I said my body talks back to me and says the skin is getting too tight and the clothes are getting too tight. <p>I did lose 200 lbs in one stretch, 10 years ago, but was not able to keep it off due to a severe depression surfacing. I had reached that amount of weight loss in about 13 months, so it was similar to this time. However, I lost it by eating 1200 calories, very low fat and way too much exercise. I set myself up for failure from the start because I had a program I could not keep up with the rest of my life. So this time I set out to make sure that did not happend to me again and it hasn't. My exercise is very moderate, 3 days per week of 30 minutes of weight training and 30-45 minutes of walking/biking. If my knees suck really bad then it's much less walking or biking. Also with the 3 PS's I've had this year it has put a major crimp into my exercise as each time I've been off of working out for close to 2 months. But I do get back at it and get back to a routine. Any more exercise than that and my body would not take it. I have a number of medical conditions that would not allow excessive exercise, without paying for it dearly and actually setting myself backwards. This is also why I set the higher goal weight. If my body is acting up it isn't absolutely critical that I get in all 3 days. If I need a rest I take it and then get back at it. My weight doesn't go wacko immediately unless I am just eating total trash. <p>My old eating habits of eating without thinking of what I am putting in my mouth are back and many times I give in. Grazing can be another issue some days. I am good about getting in my protein but then I have a tendency to jump to carbs, skipping the veggies and fruit. I know it's not ideal, but it's reality for me. I do not beat myself up for it, but instead find a way to make it work. If I was constantly gaining I would have to make some changes. The bottom line is each person has to figure out what will work for them. There is no one size fits all. I applaud the people who have 1000% embraced their new life and follow a strict eating plan. I have 1000% embraced my new life but I do struggle and am not afraid to admit it. I am not perfect and never claimed to be. It truly hit me about 4 months ago that WLS absolutely was the right thing for me and it was because of the old habits coming back. I knew I could not go through losing 200 lbs again only to regain it. I needed something to help me long term to keep the tiger reasonably caged. Had I lost the weight and did not have surgery I guarantee you I would be up at least 25 lbs by now. Even though I can eat way more than I ever thought I would be able to, I still get that full signal. Granted many times I eat past it, but that still is so much less food than I ate pre-op it isn't funny. It's the tool that my surgeon gave me to help me that has been my saving grace. I knew from the start that I would likely struggle with eating issues the rest of my life and I guess because I went in with realistic expectations it has not sent me into funk or depression. I just take one day at a time and adjust things as I need to. Even though it sounds like I am not committed to my new life, I am. I follow the docs orders on supplements and get my blood work done every 3 months. My internist is anal about the blood work and wants to make sure he keeps a close eye on things. I do run a little low or borderline on a few things but we are able to keep them in check. <p>The bottom line is you will have to do your part, but it doesn't have to feel like you are in a prison. You just need to develop some new ways of thinking and realize that you took a huge risk to have surgery and have been given a 2nd chance. When I start to get too careless I try to refocus on that. Going to support group and hearing all the pre-ops and early post-ops talk about how they want to do the simple things brings me back to reality and where I came from and what life was like and where it was going. I never want to be there again and will keep working at it daily to find the balance I need with my eating habits. Make sure your doc is doing the right amount of bypass and pouch size and stoma size for your situation, as that can be a large part of your long term success. My doc does the tiny pouch (15cc's) and 150cm bypass on the SMO as he feels this is what we need long term to keep things manageable. Good Luck! Do all your research and make sure you understand PO life as best a pre-op can. Until you actually live PO life and realize that 2 tablespoons of food can be too much, you truly cannot comprehend it. Best Wishes! Sorry I rambled on so long.
   — zoedogcbr

December 2, 2004
At your BMI in particular, please check into the DS surgery -- you have an excellent surgeon in your area, Dr. Elariny, who may be able to perform the procedure laparoscopically as well. http://alagsa.com/ The DS has the highest likelihood of giving you excellent weight loss and the ability to maintain that weight loss over time.
   — [Deactivated Member]

December 2, 2004
First of all you have to believe in yourself enough to do this. I have not yet had my surgery, but before I made my first appointment, I had to make sure I could be committed. This surgery is not a quick fix. You have to work with it. Believe me, I also have tried many diets, over the counter and prescription meds. They work for a while, then I always gained the weight back, plus more. You can do it, but you have to believe in yourself and commit yourself completely. I am a mother of four girls. I want to live to see them grow up. Good luck! I wish you the best of luck.
   — hot-n-sexy-mama

December 2, 2004
I would say WE ALL struggle with our diet demons. Some have stayed on track and others struggle like everyone else who follows a normal diet. We still have to watch what we eat, where, etc. We still have to exercise, etc. You have to master the MENTAL GAME we play with ourselves. Why do you think the diet industry is still in business today. The diets are good, its the EMOTIONAL ISSUES they can't get their arms around and if they did they would go out of business. Some of us seek out professional help to get over these issues. I think this is very important. For many years we used food to cover our emotions. What happens with this surgery is you can no longer eat so how do you control those emotions. I strongly recommand that they seek professional help when these issues start to surface. We have to suck up our pride and realize we may need help to get over some issues that we covered up with food. Good Luck.
   — Linda R.

December 2, 2004
I truly believe that with this surgery you should have counseling as well. You need to find out what triggered the food addiction in the 1st place and deal with it. When combined with the surgery, your then setting yourself up for success rather then drifting back into bad habits. Having been overweight all my life, this surgery has been a godsend. And even though I'm paying for all my plastic surgeries to correct the years of abuse I've heaped on my body, I'm still glad I did it and I would do it again except I would have done it at 18 rather then 38.
   — Patty H.

December 2, 2004
Marty, once you have surgery and see that scale start dropping, you will start to feel better about yourself and the changes seem to come easier. My husband, who started with a BMI of 38.5, lost 50 lbs in 52 days after surgery (then it slowed down). Now, he has had some bounce-back weight, but he is working on losing it. It is far easier to look at losing 10 lbs. than 100 lbs or more. He is 1 1/2 years out from surgery, and it is just as hard to lose weight now as before surgery, but, being a man, he seems to drop it faster and easier! (Not fair!) I practically have to stop eating to lose. (I am two years out). The best thing, for both of us, is that our cholesterol and insulin levels have normalized and we both are probably going to be around a lot longer! It will be different this time - it is virtually impossible not to lose weight after surgery, and you will have a life long tool you can use to keep the weight off. You will do great - I think the fact that you have these concerns is a good thing.
   — koogy

December 3, 2004
There are so many factors that make this surgery a success. For me personally, I do not like pain, any sort of pain. And before, when I would eat wrong foods, or eat too much, I would only suffer weight gain. Now, I will get severe cramps, diarreah, vomiting, sharp stomach pains. And it happens very quickly after eating. So you begin to see food in a differnt light. It can be your friend, or it can be your worst enemy. You've probobly heard about the dumping syndrome. I know some WLS patients do not dump, and some have even chosen the types of bariatric surgeries that don't cause one to dump, but for me, the dumping is one of the main things that has helped me to lose. I used to eye a lemon cake, with the intention of eating the whole thing, and now, although I remember lemon cake with fondness, I can't even have a bite, because the sugar will cause me to dump. The wheat will cause my stomach to swell. The fat will give me stomach cramps. Do you see my point? This surgery changes your relationship with food because it completely changes the way your body responds to, digests, and absorbs food. Also, your body will have some malabsorption issues, which is normal with the surgery, and that assists in the weight loss. So it is true that you will have to do what is necessary on your end to make this work after the surgery, but believe me it will be much easier.
   — [Deactivated Member]




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