Question:
I need to gain 20 lbs for approval. Am I crazy?

My BMI is not quite as high as it has to be to get insurance approval. I would have to gain about 20 lbs to qualify. Everyone thinks this would be fun and encourages me to do it (including my doctor.) I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone and it makes no sense to gain in order to lose. Am I crazy for considering to gain 20 in order to lose 140?    — weluvtv (posted on January 9, 2004)


January 9, 2004
Some slouch a bit when getting their height checked. Others carry rolls of quarters heavy clothes, and wear high heels to guarantee they get measured in bare feet. Then of course there is Ben and Jerrys:) Some combo of this can likely help you. Whats your BMI? Since your profile is private. Anyway welcome and know others have had this trouble. Sometimes BMIs under 40 get approved if you have other health troubles.
   — Sam J.

January 9, 2004
Have you checked with your insurance? What is your BMI? I qualified for surgery when my BMI was only 34.4.
   — Mini Gadget

January 9, 2004
Hi! Well since no one else here has said it; to gain weight for the sole purpose of qualifying for this surgery is insurance fraud. See if you qualify with a lower BMI, which you may, if you have co-morbidities. Please remember, if found out, insurance fraud is punishable by fines, imprisonment, and restitution to the insurance company. Not to mention the fact: What if you gain the weight and are not approved? That is that much more weight you will need to lose.
   — SherryWeber

January 9, 2004
If you have 140 to lose, I can't see how you wouldn't qualify.. USUALLY, though not always.. its BMI of 40 and/or 100 pounds overweight.. and then there are the co-morbids as people have said. Are you crazy? I don't know. I think its crazy to gain 20 pounds to qualify. What happens if your insurance still denies you? That won't be fun, will it?
   — Lisa C.

January 9, 2004
FUN------ No way is having a life changing, body altering surgery is fun. I can't even believe someone would consider doing this for "fun". Thank God for the psych evals we have to have before surgery. Insurance fraud_______ Yes.
   — Delores S.

January 9, 2004
Are you NUTS!!!!! Where is you, your doctor's and others heads? This is serious surgery. It is very dangerous for a morbidly obese person to go under anesthsia and you are planning to gain more to qualify? Why would you have to be 160# overweight to qualify? 100# over one's ideal weight is considered medically necessary. You better do more research and so should your doctor.
   — ChristineB

January 9, 2004
Im sorry to say this, but its people like you, who make it harder for the people who really and truely need it to get approval from the insurance companies. This is why alot of them are not covring the WLS anymore, and make much harder for people to get approvals. That said, maybe you are qualified with the weight you are without having to gain.
   — Chefswife (.

January 9, 2004
I think you would be crazy to either gain wieght in order to have surgery or try to defraud the insurance company by lying about your height or making your weight seem to be more than it is. My husband's BMI was 38 when he had surgery. Our insurance company required a BMI of 40 or over to quallify for surgery.He was denied, and we submitted a well wriiten appeal letter, which not only got him approved, but also got the insurance company to change the criteria to include people whose BMI is between 35-40! E-mail me if you would like for me to send you his appeal letter. (By the way, a panel of 9 doctors reviewed his appeal, and one wanted to know if an attorney wrote the letter! Nope - just me!) (Also, losing 140 lbs if your BMI is 38.4 might be a tad unrealistic)
   — koogy

January 9, 2004
Yes, you would be crazy - and it would be fraud - and thus ILLEGAL!! I feel very passionate about this! I agree with the last couple of posters. I had to fight for over a year to get this surgery and I weighed 366 POUNDS!!! People who are gaining weight to get this surgery are taking away options for those who are truly SUPER MORBIDLY OBESE who and are DYING! I say, fight fair and square with your insurance company. If it does not work out - God has other plans for you and will REWARD you for your honesty!
   — MissKimberly

January 10, 2004
WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY????? YOU WANT TO GAIN WEIGHT TO HAVE SURGERY??????????? WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS A TEA PARTY?? YOU THINK THIS IS A JOKE? YOUR DOCTOR THINKS THIS WOULD BE FUN?? WELL IF THATS THE CASE I WOULD RUN AS FAST AS I COULD TO THE MEDICAL BOARD TO BRING CHARGES ON THIS FOOL! FUN YOU THINK GOING IN FOR MAJOR SURGERY IS FUN? YOU ARE A FOOL! I AM SO MAD, YOU SHOULD THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS I DON'T KNOW YOU. THOSE OF US THAT TRULY NEED THIS SURGERY ARE THE ONES THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU HURT. OUR CHANCES OF GETTING INSURANCE TO COVER THE SURGERY GETS HARDER AND HARDER. HOW ABOUT THE POOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD THIS SURGERY AND HAVE DIED. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THEM? THIS IS NOT THE EASY WEIGHT LOSS PLAN!!!! THIS IS SOMETHING FOR THOSE OF US THAT CAN NOT LOSE THE WEIGHT THROUGH CONVENTIONAL METHODS. I THINK YOU SHOULD SERIOUSLY RETHINK YOUR SITUATION. AND ABOVE ALL FIND A NEW DOCTOR!!!
   — CATHYSDAN

January 10, 2004
AMOS MOD HERE. Please lets not call anyone crazy:) Even if they suggest it first. All of us were once 80 pounds overweight! Its hard to loose 100, but nearly as hard to loose 80 pounds. Without knowing her specific co morbidities lets not pass judgement on what one might do to possibly save their life. Honestly docs flirt with bending insurance rules for their patients safety all the time. My surgeon said he wanted a treadmill test before surgery. My PCP did some creative thinking to justify it so I could have surgery safely. I was OK, thankgod but if I had heart disease that test might have saved my life. Insurance fraud for profit is stealing, but for your saftety? Well thats a individual decision.
   — bob-haller

January 10, 2004
How an AMOS MOD can condone and encourage insurance fraud is beyond me! I'm surprised and disappointed to read that response. Each insurance has criteria in place, either you qualify or you don't. If you don't, you have avenues of appeal or you can contact a lawyer. Insurance fraud is not the answer. Fraud is part of why our insurance costs are astronomical as it is.
   — Shayna T.

January 10, 2004
I never condoned insurance fraud. I merely said that everyone has to live with their own decisions. Before we pass judgement on the person perhaps we should live in their shoes, and face their co morbidities? Diabetes can largely be resolved by major weight loss. Its a terrible disease my step father was killed by it after being blind, incontenient, and a double amputee. His date of death? He doied slowly over a period of manyt years...... Faxced with such a situation what would the average person do. If dieting had failed? Anyhow my surgeon reports doing some folks with BMIs under 35 in limited conditions and remarked about this at the last support group meeting. Just curious. Is doing the supervised diet thing and not following it EXACTLY insurance fraud? How many have done that?
   — bob-haller

January 10, 2004
Te, i am inclined to agree with you. As far as the AMOS MOD HERE stuff that Bob likes to flaunt, it is my understanding that there are no AMOS mods anymore. Some people just like titles they confer on themselves.
   — Delores S.

January 10, 2004
I say SHAME ON A FEW OF YOU
   — Lynette B.

January 10, 2004
I say SHAME ON A FEW OF YOU who have responded to this post. It does not matter what the circumstances are, if you are a mod or not, if you have or haven't bent the rules before, or anything else for that matter. This person was merely asking a question and many of you jumped on her like she was a rotten dishonest person. She hasn't done anything yet. In fact, some of you are more wrong than her in judging her as if she'd done something rather than just ask an innocent question. And who are you to judge ANYONE for ANYTHING for that matter? It is my understanding that there's only one being who has the right to judge another human. I was always taught that it's no body elses business to judge someone else. To the original poster.....there are many good points that were made below. Please do your research and do what's right for you....and don't get discouraged by the the lack of support that you were seeking. Good luck!
   — Lynette B.

January 10, 2004
In answer to your question... I think that you are crazy. If you are not MO then try any way you can and loose 20 lbs instead of gaining. To the folks who said be kind or don't judge... The person posting this question asked to be judged. In a forum of this size people get all kinds of feedback. That is why one posts here. If you agree with her then suppot her position. Likewise if you disagree let her know. Life is not all beer and skittles. Bob
   — Robert L.

January 10, 2004
she asked an honest questions. and i'm going to give "MY" honest answer. is the weight you are at right now your highest weight or do you keep yo-yoing only to regain more over and over? do you think you can lose enough weight on your own to ease your current health problems? wls should be the last thing you want to do, but.....if my health problems were bad enough that my quality of life just too much to deal with day to day and i couldn't lose weight to a normal range.......i would gain 20 pounds. how is it fraud if she really gained 20 pounds? i can understand if she lied and really didn't weight 20 pounds more. what about alot of us who are waiting to get approved after their first appointment and do the "last supper thing and gain 30 pounds?" are you committing fraud? ok...let's say she doesn't put on the 20 extra pounds and diets on her own. would it be fraud if she gained all the weight back the next year plus more and then qualify for the surgery? if she "truely" did gain 20 pounds it wouldn't be fraud, but if she and her doctor lied and said she did and she really didn't gain...that would be fraud. wls is very serious and not to be taken lightly. and i am by no means saying everyone should gain just to lose this way...that is just insane. but untill we know all that is going on with this person we shouldn't point any fingers. i'm wondering how many of you had a bmi on the border and gained 1 pound to qualify. i'm not trying to be PC here...just my honest answer.
   — franbvan

January 10, 2004
Delores, I am still here and remain a mod. I always prefered and cared for Q&A and personally had little to do with the message board. Now that board became unmoderated, at least for the most part. But myself and perhaps 2 others still care for here. We approve all the questions, and I try to prevent anyone from getting hurt by others. I never asked to be a mod, I was asked to do it. I decided to be a public mod so this place wouldnt be so impersonal. Most mods werent known by anyone other than the team. I only agreed to give something back to the site that helped me so much espically pre op. I worked hard to get the rules loosened here to allow repeat questions too. For awhile many questions were getting rejected and posters told to go look in the library. People look for more than answers here they look for support. Frankly I know firsthand the desperation some of come here with, when our health is failing. Since that was honestly the case for ME! So I dont judge others who are looking for answers that might well save their life. I will NOT tell them to lie, but I will try to keep them from being attacked for asking. I actually HATE putting up the AMOS MOD HERE, but sometimes its necessary:( Delores since you think I am self appoined take a look at my profile, see the member services volunteer team? Look I do this to HELP THE MEMBERS thats the only reason!
   — bob-haller

January 10, 2004
Hi Tammy: Which doctor said to gain the weight? Was that the bariatric surgeon or your PCP? If you need to lose 120 pounds of excess weight and have any co morbidities you probably qualify at your present BMI and don't need to gain those last 20 pounds. I've answered this exact same question before and I'll say again: I don't understand why people get so hostile towards people asking a question about borderline BMI. If you've had problems with your insurance, then that's who you should direct your anger towards. Someone gaining the last bit of weight to get to a 40 BMI isn't stealing anything from anyone. Whether they purposely do it, or let it happen naturally over time it's the same thing really. They do legally meet the requirements and it is not insurance fraud. It doesn't hurt people to refrain from making nasty comments, but it does indeed hurt people to read them. Why can't we please try and be nicer? Sure, give your honest opinion, but phase it in a respectful way. Remember what goes around, comes around, and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of calling someone crazy. JMHO :o)
   — sherry hedgecock

January 10, 2004
I don't understand why you need to gain 20 if you're already 140 lbs overweight. You only need to be 100 lbs overweight to qualify.
   — susanje

January 10, 2004
Hey, keep in mind her BMI is 38.4 she's pretty close to 40, if she already has co-morbs she could qualify without gaining. Without even intentionally trying to gain weight she could probably easily gain 20 lbs by just trying not to lose weight. I gained 16 lbs during the 4 month process (from info meeting to surgery) -- 10 from quitting smoking and another 6 from 3 months of no dieting. <br><br> But I wouldn't describe WLS as fun, it's a major operation. It's very serious, and a major decision, there are risks involved. I also wouldn't advocate insurance fraud. if you were caught you could be in some serious trouble and have a huge bill to pay (if they had paid for the surgery, they can make you reimburse them) If you wait 6 months or a year you might easily qualify on weight alone, if you have gained weight. Wait and try then.
   — Patricia T.

January 10, 2004
I can't quite follow your number system here, with 140 to lose somewhere. I can tell you I met someone the other night with comorbs: severe, not yet controlled diabetes, sleep apnea, anemia, pernicious anemia, high BP, raging high cholesterol, fatigue, joint pain, shortness of breath--sounds like he has 300# to lose, right? No. BMI 33, only about 75# to lose, on paper, yet nearer death than I was myself. I have met people with lower BMI's who had surgery based on their comorbs. If your reasons for losing weight are based on health, please pursue your goal. I'm not saying to commmit fraud, yet I do not see that you need to in order to reach that magic "hundred over" mark. (100# over OR double your wt, actually). Is it fair for my friend's husband to die of his cormorbs because his BMI is 2 pts below "ok"?
   — vitalady

January 10, 2004
Tammy, please disregard the rude responses of some here! Many people don't understand that lightweights can and do have as many health-related issues as heavyweights. That's why NIH included a bmi of 35-39 gray area for justification of WLS. My bmi is 38-39, and unless I'm sitting or lying down I'm in incredible pain. I have friends who are much heavier than I am who are also much healthier. IMHO, bmi is just a magic number that gets tossed around to establish a cut-off. That being said my insurance has denied me 4 times (and I even tried Susan Kennedy's wonderful letter). For those of you who were so rude, I hope you go to my profile, and read it carefully and I hope you're happy that I've been denied, and that I won't be contributing to your higher insurance premiums. Now I guess you can throw all your anger in the fact that I'm still going to take up precious space and air on the surgeon's table, and in his office, and in his support group meetings...because I'm self-paying, and I'll be on the losing side on 2/4/04.
   — Le P.

January 10, 2004
Tammy, have you tried to get insurance approval yet? If you do have co-morbidities, inform your doc that a bmi of 38 with the co-morbidities usually gets you qualified. I, too, like the others are confused over your #s of 120 pounds now or 140 after gaining 20?? Whichever, if you are 100 over per insurance charts, you qualify...as for the comments, even the negative ones, when someone comes to the board for help, they have to understand that they are getting people's opinions, and that will include the supportive and the not so supportive-its peoples opinions-they vary. I agree with the poster that said we should try to phrase our opinions in a respectful way, however, it makes no sense for us to flame the posters we disagree with. Just give your opinion and move on. The question asker can embrace what they want to and ignore the rest... Bob, AMOS MOD HERE, I love ya!! We appreciate your volunteering!
   — Cindy R.

January 10, 2004
Hi Tammy! I can completely understand your dilemma. I was borderline in qualifying for the surgery, weighing 235 and standing 5'2". My BMI was over 40 but there were also other factors that my insurance considers such as length of time on medically supervised diets, other methods used to try to lose weight, number of years being MO, etc. I had several co-morbs and met the other criteria but since my surgery, my insurer has gotten tougher on requirements and many other insurers are following suit. There was an article in the Wall Street Journal not too long ago about this very subject - desperate people wanting the surgery but not qualifying, so they were going out and gaining weight. From what I read, it's a very dangerous thing to do and very hard on your body, especially on your liver. Not only that, but insurers are getting wise to people who do it. So it's a risky thing to do no matter how you look at it ... it's bad for your health and even if you gain the weight you may still not be approved. Then what? That having been said though, it seems to me like you would qualify at your current weight and I don't understand why you would be advised by any ethical physician to GAIN weight! If it were me, I would see another physician and get another opinion and I certainly would not return to any physician who would advise me to gain weight! JMHO, but what kind of doctor would give a patient such unhealthy advice?? Please get another opinion, and from someone who is more familiar with the requirements for WLS. I wouldn't be surprised if you get approved without having to gain another ounce! Good luck to you!
   — MomBear2Cubs

January 10, 2004
You need to check the requirements of your insurance company. Aetna requires a 5 year history of morbid obesity. I'm 7 weeks post op. I wish I could have lost the weight on my own, as this is MAJOR surgery.
   — greg17

January 11, 2004
Here is my opinion..... First of all...I don't think her doctor meant that the surgery will be fun but that gaining the weight and not worrying about what she was eating would be fun. For health reasons, I would not promote gaining weight in order to qualify for this surgery. I'm 7 months out from wls. A few years ago I looked into surgery but didn't qualify weight wise for the surgery.But a year later my weight had steadily risen on its own anyway,as well as my health problems and then I did qualify. I think this is probably the case with quite a few people. Even if the original poster does not intentionally gain weight she will most likely end up gaining the weight in the future anyway, as its been proven that diets do not work.As far as all of this talk about insurance fraud give me a break...With all of the hoops that they make us jump through and as many games as the insurance companies play I have no sympathy for them at all. For example..When I finally did qualify for the surgery weightwise they wanted me to complete a 6 month diet requirement.Well since I barely qualified with my BMI I couldn't afford to lose any weight because if I did, then I wouldn't qualify weightwise anymore.But if I didn't do the diet I wouldn't qualify either so it was a catch 22. My doc even said that it was bullcrap...I had to say that I was dieting and check in with my doc once a month for a weight check.She knew that I wasn't dieting and I knew it.It was a big waste of time.
   — jennifer A.

January 12, 2004
HI Tammy I was in a similar situation. I had a BMI of 38 when I originally applied for ins. coverage and they denied me so I went on all kinds of diets trying to lose the weight, but as I suspected, I ended up gaining the little back that I had a lost and a few more. Then low and behold a year and a half later my BMI became a 43. Most of us have been on a steady uphill gain for a long time. Don't risk your health by trying to gain 20 lbs. in a couple of weeks, but eventually you will probably just gain it anyway. Good Luck!
   — Tara J.

January 12, 2004
Thank you all for responding to my question. Even those that are so evidently angry at the world. Maybe this is my fault for the wording of my question. Everyone thinks it would be "fun" gaining-not the surgery. I, on the other hand, find nothing fun about putting more weight on my already stressed body. My doctor is not encouraging this but said quite frankly that he would do it in a heart beat. To answer some quetions: I would think that being 120 lbs overweight would be significant enough as well, but the insurance policies are to consider BMI only. I am 3 points below qualifying. I have no descernable comorbities. I DO have joint pain, shortness of breath and havent slept through the night in 7 years. I have 2 flights of stairs in my home and more and more frequently find myself asking my 12 year old to check on my 3 year old because I catch my breath after climbing them. My face is beat red most of the time and often strangers ask me if I'm ok. I had insulin dependent diabetes while pregnant with my last child. I know it's only a matter of time before I do have the other problems that some of you seem to be wishing on me. That is why I am considering this procedure in the first place. (I've had 2 cesearen sections and DO realize how dangerous and painful this can be.) I understand the point of insurance fraud. With 5 years of law enforcement and degreeded in Criminal Justice, fraud is the last thing I want to do. Consider this: Each and everyday and with each and every bite of food, I am making an unconscious and seeminly uncontrollable effort to gain weight. Those of you who said I would gain the 20 pounds naturally, I'm sure were right. My question shouldve been better worded. What I meant by gaining 20 lbs to qualify was for me not to struggle so hard to NOT gain the weight. What I did NOT mean was to sit and drink beer and eat Skittles freely as someone suggested. FYI-I dont do either! I have been on Phentermeine, Redux, Meridian, Xenical and Pondimun, three different times. Yes, Ive lost-at the most 52 lbs. Just to gain it all back. Thanks again for each and everyone of you.
   — weluvtv

January 12, 2004
Tammy its sad how some treated you here. Did you look at what slouching does to your BMI? Just 2 inches shorter on height measurement should make you qualify. Look doctors work the numbers for the benefit of their patients all the time, for the patients own good. If thats insurance fraud then lots of friends of mine all belong behind bars, rather than being sick and dying from weight they are out living life to the fullest being productive and paying taxes, rather than being a drag on the insurance company for things like diabetes. I wish you only the best and am embarased by some of the uncaring resposes here.
   — Sam J.

January 12, 2004
I've learned that I'm only 11 pounds "underweight" to qualify. Out of pure curiosity, I wonder if that changes anyone's opinion here?
   — weluvtv

January 12, 2004
I think if you have serious medical problems you probably would qualify, I would suggest that you try for it if this is your last resort. Good Luck To You! Keep us updated please. OPEN RNY 9/25/2004 - 78.5 lbs......:)
   — Saxbyd

January 15, 2004
Hi Tammy. I'm sorry so many here are opposed. I have noticed on this website that those who had BMI's over 45-50 are much more critical of the 'lightweights'. My BMI is very similar to yours. I'm not sure what insurance company you have, but mine requires 100 lb. over ideal WITH a comorbic condition that is NOT treatable with medication, however it took three phone calls and 5 months to get this information. When I talk to medical professionals, they agree that it is just as hard to lose 70 as it is to lose 100, it's just that every insurance company has different requirements for payment. I'm sure that a surgeon will perform the surgery on you with your current BMI, you may just have to work with your insurance company and find out EXACTLY what they require, and work with your doctors to get approval. I appreciate your situation and wish you all the best. I wouldn't necessarily gain any weight, but I would find out the specifics of your insurance coverage. This may take a few phone calls, and you may not know exactly what to ask until you know more, but keep with it.
   — Linn D.

January 15, 2004
I don't generally post on here, but I feel strongly that if a person has to lose 140 pounds the people on this website should be more supportive than critical.
   — Delilah C.

January 15, 2004
Tammy, I'm sorry that some people were so demeaning and unsupportive. I started off with a BMI of about 40 and was set for surgery and decided to wait and try to diet "one last time" as I wanted this to be my last resort and I ended up with a BMI of 45+. I didn't do this on purpose, it just happened. I think what Bob said is accurate, we all had a BMI of 38 at some point and did any of us try to gain more weight? Ofcourse not!!! That's the cycle of dieting, we lose and then gain it all back plus 20 more!! I can understand why people with SMO wouldn't understand how a "lightweight" would want this surgery when in the very end, they may end up with a BMI of 35-40; however, I ask this question to someone who opposes a lightweight having surgery: Were you trying to have a BMI of 50,60+? I seriously doubt it and therefore, you should know how hard it is to diet and lose weight even if you "only" have 100lbs to lose. If it is so easy for someone to diet and lose the weight at 100 lbs overweight, than how did most of us end up with such high BMI's? Just my thought. I also understand that your friends and Dr. weren't saying that having surgery would be fun; rather that not trying to lose weight for the first time in your life might be fun. Although, I have to say, that anytime you gain weight, it isn't fun, just heartbreaking and unhealthy. I would suggest trying with appeals and letters to try and get approval and if that doesn't work, let nature take it's course because I seriously doubt that you will stay at this exact weight for very long, you will either diet, lose the weight on your own (which is a great thing) or naturally gain the weight you need to qualify. Best of luck to you and please understand that some people here don't understand that there is a difference between stating your oppinion and being down right mean. Denise 280/150/145
   — denisel

January 15, 2004
I also have a lower BMI and I am also at the higher end for age...so I have been as cooperative as I can with my doctors so far to help get the insurance approval. Actually at 37 BMI I am in all the right criteria and it is considered obese over 30 so I don't know why insurances would not recognize that. If you have co-morbidities then it is the same as raising the BMI. For anyone who is having a problem with us "lightweights" wanting surgery too, think about the long road back as you were losing the weight. If you had 150 lbs to lose and had only lost 75 didn't you still need to keep going? You weren't happy to stop there...so we just joined up with you at that point...that's all. Everyone still has the same goals. My PCP told me not to GAIN weight, but said to forget about dieting over the Holiday and just relax. So I did, and I ate just like everyone else who has no weight problems, and enjoyed myself and only gained 4 lbs...if I had tried to maintain or lose I would have enjoyed the Holidays less and probably still gained 4 or maybe 5 lbs! Go figure.
   — tealady41

January 22, 2004
Tammy, you are no crazy. some of the people posting here are mean as hell tho. Different insurance companies have different requirements tho. Mine for example required 100 % over weight which was a BMI more like 50 than 40. Unfortunately I met that and exceeded it. I really wish I had never gotten to the point I had to have surgery. BUT , since I did ~ thank GOD every day that I was able to get this life saving / life changing surgery. It has given my life back. My only regret is the years I spent not living my life the way I wanted to because my weight was holding me back. You do what you have to to make your life better, Hey WE all know that diets work less than 5% of the time. If it was all easy to just go on a diet and exercise the meanies posted below would not have needed surgery to lose weight either. They have for gotten what it is like to suffer with this life threatening disease.
   — **willow**

January 22, 2004
Hi Tammy! Welcome to AMOS! lol..OMG, I can "not" believe how you have been flamed! When did AMOS beging standing for "A$$'$ Mouthing Off Stupidities"? I'm sorry, I don't wish to be rude, but how could anyone have the audacity to come to this board and pass judgement on someone else? How inconsiderate and counter-productive. This is a SUPPORT group, not a board on which to place someone for stoning, which about 6 of you have done a pretty good job of! And folks, for the record... someone gaining weight is NOT a fraudulant issue! An insurance fraud/scam would be something along the lines of going into surgery for a hernia repair, and having a "tuck" here and there at the same time so the insurance company will cover it!! Mmmm...I wonder how many have thought about doing THAT? This woman came to us with a simple question, one which should have been answered with the compassion and understanding that this board was once all about..not the negativity and asinine remarks that some of you decided would help her make an informed and intellegent choice..... my suggestion to you 6, "get a life"! You have done nothing but caused another person pain! Tammy, I wish you much luck on your journey, and I hope if you have further questions, you won't let a few ignorant remarks hinder your posting again! As for Bob, our MOD...good job!!!! Love and light, Lisa
   — medium

January 22, 2004
Willo and Lisa... Kudos to you It is ridiculous that all these posties are high and mighty now that they have had there surgery.. HMMMMMM I am sure they weren't desperate as a pre op...Puleeeeeez. I don't ask questions here anymore because of all the self appointed queens of moral high ground.. do what you have to do.. don't listen to these lovely people that are so willing to offer support..lol
   — hillafb U.

January 22, 2004
Hell, I gained 15 pounds after being approved for surgery trying to get in all the foods I loved before not being able to eat them again :o). If you're that close, I don't really see a problem with it. Mainly because chances are your next dieting attempt will result in a loss, with a regain of even more. In a few years you'd be there anyway (if your history is like the majority of us) so get you some Ben & Jerry's and go for it. Just make sure you stay active and don't hurt yourself. This may sound over simplistic or ignorant, but I guess that's just too bad! This site is all about SUPPORT, remember people? DOESN'T ANYONE REMEMBER FEELING DESPERATE? I'm only 6 weeks post, and I remember it like it was yesterday! GOod luck, sweetie.
   — ScottieB86




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