Toradol??

Amethyst H.
on 3/9/08 1:54 am, edited 3/9/08 4:10 am - WA
While visiting a friend in the hospital yesterday I was shocked when the doctor recommended Toradol for pain.  (I actually didn't know anything about it until they said it contained ibuprophen) and upon hearing that, I gasped!  I told the doctor that we can't have any nsaids orally.  She was unaware of that and said they give it regularly to their WLS patients.  Both my friend and I told her that it is a big no-no and explained why nsaids are bad for us, but she seemed undaunted, or at least somewhat unpersuaded.  What I think is interesting is that when another friend of mine developed marginal ulcers last year after her surgery, they told her it was kind of the common complication that year... now I wonder if it is because the retarded doctors are giving their patients toradol while they are in recovery!  Is it just me??  Or is this borderline malpractice?  The doctor who we spoke to isn't a surgeon, and doesn't specialize in gastric bypass patients, she sees all the surgical patients on the floor.... but since they do at least 10 gastric bypass surgeries a week there, I would think they would be familiar with something as important as NO NSAIDS.
LinZhi's Mum
on 3/9/08 3:32 am - Wadsworth, OH
RNY on 11/30/05 with
Well, I am no expert at all. But I am a RN. The tordal is given via IV or IM. It is not touching your tummy. But with that being said, Tordal is given only on a short term basis. It can not be used on long term basis, due to kidneys. When I had my banding and my RNY done, both my doctors gave Tordal IV and by mouth for a few days. I did not require any narcotics. Tordal is a wonderful drug. I was very very aphrensive and careful with taking it by mouth, but the IV doses given to me regularly every 6 hrs, did not enter my digestive tract at all. I am sorry this surgeon is clueless about NSAIDS, you were on target about reminding them and being a patient advocate for you friend and her self. I guess I would not be as concerned with the Tordal being given IM or IV, but little more concerned about taking it by mouth. I would have to decide, why am I taking it, how long and so forth. With my RNY I basically did not really take any pain med after getting home. I think I took one of the Tordal's on my flight home, but I made sure I had taken some warm both with it, to melt it and absorb it. Tordal is much smaller and safer than taking motrin or other more abrasive NSAIDS. But then again, Tordal should not be taken regularly either. And if  you run accross a "doctor" that seems clueless...you can just basically say..I am allergic and I CAN not take NSAIDS.  Hope this helps a bit Sandy

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Sandy aka LinZhi's Mum

Amethyst H.
on 3/9/08 3:41 am - WA
What does IM mean?  The doc was going to give it to her orally in a suspension liquid.  We recommended that they give her something in her IV, which they said they would.
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on 3/8/10 6:27 am - AZ
On March 9, 2008 at 10:32 AM Pacific Time, LinZhi's Mum wrote:
Well, I am no expert at all. But I am a RN. The tordal is given via IV or IM. It is not touching your tummy. But with that being said, Tordal is given only on a short term basis. It can not be used on long term basis, due to kidneys. When I had my banding and my RNY done, both my doctors gave Tordal IV and by mouth for a few days. I did not require any narcotics. Tordal is a wonderful drug. I was very very aphrensive and careful with taking it by mouth, but the IV doses given to me regularly every 6 hrs, did not enter my digestive tract at all. I am sorry this surgeon is clueless about NSAIDS, you were on target about reminding them and being a patient advocate for you friend and her self. I guess I would not be as concerned with the Tordal being given IM or IV, but little more concerned about taking it by mouth. I would have to decide, why am I taking it, how long and so forth. With my RNY I basically did not really take any pain med after getting home. I think I took one of the Tordal's on my flight home, but I made sure I had taken some warm both with it, to melt it and absorb it. Tordal is much smaller and safer than taking motrin or other more abrasive NSAIDS. But then again, Tordal should not be taken regularly either. And if  you run accross a "doctor" that seems clueless...you can just basically say..I am allergic and I CAN not take NSAIDS.  Hope this helps a bit Sandy

I think we disagree here.  Just because it is given IM/IV does not mean it is safe for RNYers.  Even a GI bleed you can't push IV Toradol.  It's not a matter of the drug touching the stomach tissue, it's a matter of it thinning the lining of the stomach systemically.

~ Lexipro ~
on 3/9/08 3:37 am - SC
I was given toradol while in the hospital after my RNY. It went in the iV< i doubt it touched my tummy :) But - my doc also allowed motrin when I went home (all my pain was muscle pain) since I am also on prevacid.

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Kim Meeks
on 3/9/08 3:49 am - lubbock, TX
IM means intramuscularly meaning like a shot like in the butt or the arm tordol does not have ibuprophen IN it it is an anti-inflamatory but, when used on a short term basis should be ok - depending on the surgeons orders usually given only 6 doses per "episode" because it is hard n the kidneys as the other poster said kf

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Amethyst H.
on 3/9/08 3:55 am - WA
The doctor said it had ibuprophen in it, which is what raised a red flag with us.  the research I did said it is an nsaid, so either way it doesn't sound like a good idea. Thanks for clarifying IM for me.  Now that I think about it, I had Toradol once in my arm before my surgery.  As I recall, it worked well, at least in combination with the oral percocet.  Crazy days.  Made me really sick though.
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on 3/8/10 6:30 am - AZ
On March 9, 2008 at 10:55 AM Pacific Time, Amethyst H. wrote:
The doctor said it had ibuprophen in it, which is what raised a red flag with us.  the research I did said it is an nsaid, so either way it doesn't sound like a good idea. Thanks for clarifying IM for me.  Now that I think about it, I had Toradol once in my arm before my surgery.  As I recall, it worked well, at least in combination with the oral percocet.  Crazy days.  Made me really sick though.

No, it does not have Ibuprofen in it.  It's a similar drug to Motrin but it is not Ibuprofen.  They are both NSAIDs and Toradol is stronger than Motrin.

I don't have bypass, I have a sleeve so I can take NSAIDs without a problem and Toradol is my all time fav drug.  I buy tons of the stuff each time I go to Mexico.  In MX they have SL Toradol and that is my preferred route but not due to stomach issues.

Kim Meeks
on 3/9/08 3:58 am - lubbock, TX
i hate thinking back to those post op days ugg i do know that tordol is an NSAID (non-steroidal anti inflamitory) which is the big NO NO  for all of us  something about a marginal ulcer on the bypass  i have never heard that tordol has ibuprophen IN IT thanks for clarifying didnt know never heard it

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Amethyst H.
on 3/9/08 4:09 am - WA
Oh, I don't know for sure that it has ibuprophen IN it... that is just what the doctor said.  I am not making any claims that the doctor is super competent. LOL  I can't find anything online the corroborates the doctors statement... so I doubt she knew what she was talking about. 
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