Is It Possible To Love Exercise After Bariatric Surgery?

Kathy S.
on 2/4/19 11:12 am - InTheBurbs, XX
RNY on 08/29/04 with

HW:330 - GW:150 - MW:118-125

RW:190 - CW:130

PrivateCitizen
on 2/4/19 3:33 pm

She states this: "The only real thing you have to bank on to reverse these trends of slowing the metabolism is exercise."

She is unaware of an even stronger REAL method, and that is timed meals, aka intermittent fasting or longer periods of daily fasting. This is a time-eternal, proven option that is REAL and serves the disabled, the elderly, the ill, those recovering from another surgery, unable to be outside in bad weather/unwalkable neighborhoods/without a car, working full time, no chid care, etc.

The Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2016 was given for the discovery that natural human 'atuophagy' -the body healing itself by using and absorbing old cells- both increases metabolism over calorie limit dieting, and also been found to DIMINISH need for skin removal surgery because the body is breaking down and utilizing its components...ie old loose skin, over time.

The avoidance of skin removal surgery, the cost, risks, pain and long recovery across multiple surgeries is being avoided now, through the work of Dr. Jason Fung, with severely ill, morbidly obese, diabetic patients. That was not the main goal, though.

Many patients, older, sicker, have been able to stop all T2 medications, lose over 100 pounds, and none have required skin removal, to date.* (I am hoping he will produce the first report/book of clinical photographs with the transition documented. He is a nephrologist, not a plastic surgeon, but measured skin loss over time would be ideal confirmation.

Just anecdotal images from T2 and fasting diet patients shows excellent skin reduction/recuperation from severe weight loss. Young skin shrinks faster, but avoiding even the need for one surgery?

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A 32 week study proved that intermittent fasting (people ate normally one day, then zero calories the next) provided more weight loss, the loss of dangerous visceral fat around organs that no exercise can remove, added 2.2% to lean muscle mass, OVER the 400 calorie less diet eaten at normal meal times, daily, that reduced lean muscle.

Those with smaller stomaches from bariatric can consult with their nutritionist on being able to eat the calories needed, get the protein required in a 4-8 hour meal window, called On Meal A Day, and see if that is safe ro being. A 16 hour window is ideal, but 12 hours of more is a start.

A randomized pilot study comparing zero?calorie alternate?day fasting to daily caloric restriction in adults with obesity

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.21581

Yoshinori Ohsumi wins Nobel prize in medicine for work on autophagy

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/oct/03/yoshinori-oh sumi-wins-nobel-prize-in-medicine

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 2/5/19 10:44 am, edited 2/5/19 2:47 am
VSG on 12/10/13

I am highly skeptical that IF will mean that you don't need skin removal surgery. SMO folks have grown extra skin to cover their body fat, and not even the magic of IF will shrink its surface area back to fit a non-MO body.

"Anecdotal images" mean absolutely nothing.

Nerdy Little Secret (#42) - Derby Strong!


HW 300 / LW 150 / Post-regain goal: 170

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 2/5/19 10:45 am
VSG on 12/10/13

Also, are you trying to imply that Intermittent Fasting is superior to bariatric surgery?

Nerdy Little Secret (#42) - Derby Strong!


HW 300 / LW 150 / Post-regain goal: 170

Gwen M.
on 2/5/19 12:29 pm
VSG on 03/13/14

I thought they were trying to imply that you don't need to exercise with IF. (Which is equally ridiculous!)

They seem to be banging the Keto/IF drum pretty loudly, regardless.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

TrendWeight | Food Blog (sort of functional) | Journal (down for maintenance)

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 2/5/19 12:38 pm
VSG on 12/10/13

I was going off the comment about IF being a "REAL method" for weight loss.

I'm vaguely reminded of this gem from elsewhere on the forums: https://www.obesityhelp.com/forums/nutrition/6029977/Is-ther e-ANYONE-here-who-is-NOT-getting-surgery/

Nerdy Little Secret (#42) - Derby Strong!


HW 300 / LW 150 / Post-regain goal: 170

Gwen M.
on 2/5/19 12:42 pm
VSG on 03/13/14

Ditto.

VSG with Dr. Salameh - 3/13/2014
Diagnosed with Binge Eating Disorder and started Vyvanse - 7/22/2016
Reconstructive Surgeries with Dr. Michaels - 6/5/2017 (LBL & brachioplasty), 8/14/2017 (UBL & mastopexy), 11/6/2017 (medial leg lift)

Age 42 Height 5'4" HW 319 (1/3/2014) SW 293 (3/13/2014) CW 149 (7/16/2017)
Next Goal 145 - normal BMI | Total Weight Lost 170

TrendWeight | Food Blog (sort of functional) | Journal (down for maintenance)

Roselane
on 2/5/19 5:21 pm

Wow, I just read way too much of that crazy thread, what a jerk!

  1. It reminded me of one of my favorite sayings, "the plural of anecdote is not evidence".
  2. I don't want to mess with you and Gwen, you two know your ****!
  3. I am a science-loving hag, too! If there was strong evidence for long-term weight loss with ANY other approach, I would have done it.

Highest weight: 350, Surgery weight: 317

VSG: 1/9/19

No longer obese goal: 185, Healthy weight goal: 150

Weight loss per month: 1=22, 2=12, 3=9.5

stacyrg
on 2/6/19 12:10 pm
VSG on 05/12/14

I thought the same thing

stacyrg
on 2/6/19 12:13 pm
VSG on 05/12/14

I thought the same thing

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