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quutgrrl
on 7/24/19 6:08 am, edited 7/24/19 7:50 am

The subject ( post op transfer addiction and alcohol use ) is interesting and it?s a shame an honest if controversial thread is eliminated simply because the original posters opinion expressed is not momentarily popular .

Please let?s remember the great protein controversy ... turns out excess protein does cause deadly kidney disease.Bariatric Surgeons now do not encourage supplementing protein past a few weeks or at the most months. We always learn from each other ... and OH is one of the best places to learn how to live happily and healthily post op based on our own real- life experiences.

To respond to a few comments : yes I?m a great example of what not to do lol ... some of my past posts were written impaired and were very whacked. However I think much more than transfer addiction went into getting and keeping me trapped for a few years.

I think when we get rid of the binging all our weaknesses come out of hiding . I wish I?d started with weekly therapy right after surgery ( I didn?t because I was in a honeymoon phase and happy ) . But even then the anxiety immature rebelliousness was showing through .... the putting too much pressure on myself .. the lack of self- love skills to soothe myself and comfort myself with anything other than endless sports and gardening . I had no idea about positive relationships especially with the opposite sex.

Interestingly my way of now ( after years of therapy and painful sobriety of a year ) accepting that I need time to relax and permission to enjoy being a responsible adult has led to very very little drinking even when I?m ? allowed to ? . Slowly I?m dealing with my emotional immaturity and rebelliousness ( I?m growing myself up ) without running to a substance . Though I give myself permission to have five drinks for the last three nights I?ve only had one or two and last night I threw most of my first glass of wine out .

I will just point out Jeneen someone?s book a long time ago where she dealt with chronic dieting by giving herself permission to eat ANYTHING in moderation . It worked for her and it worked for me . Still works yet almost every day I choose to eat very healthily. For me alcohol recovery is successfully working the same way . I posted to help others who?d lost their way and who like me will not tolerate suffering .

Haley_Martinez
on 7/24/19 8:10 am
RNY on 05/03/18

You are legitimately upsetting me.

...turns out excess protein does cause deadly kidney disease. Bariatric Surgeons now do not encourage supplementing protein past a few weeks or at the most months.

THIS. IS. A. LIE.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1262767/

If you cannot click on the link, the conclusion states:

Although excessive protein intake remains a health concern in individuals with pre-existing renal disease, the literature lacks significant research demonstrating a link between protein intake and the initiation or progression of renal disease in healthy individuals. More importantly, evidence suggests that protein-induced changes in renal function are likely a normal adaptative mechanism well within the functional limits of a healthy kidney. Without question, long-term studies are needed to clarify the scant evidence currently available regarding this relationship. At present, there is not sufficient proof to warrant public health directives aimed at restricting dietary protein intake in healthy adults for the purpose of preserving renal function.

25 years old - 5'5" tall - HW: 260 - SW: 255 - CW: 132.0

Pre Op - 5.0, M1 - 25.6, M2 - 15.6, M3 - 14.0, M4 - 13.4, M5 - 10.8, M6 - 13.8, M7 - 9.8, M8 - 7.8, M9 - 2.8, M10-2.4, M11-0, M12-7

Lower Body Lift with Dr. Carmina Cardenas - 5/3/19

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 7/24/19 9:05 am
RNY on 08/05/19

Nerdy Little Secret (#42) - Derby Strong!
VSG 2013, lost 150lb - RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD


Partlypollyanna
on 7/24/19 10:49 am
RNY on 02/14/18

My favorite!!

HW: 306 SW: 282 CW:144.8 GW: 145 (reached 2/6/19), next goal - 132.9

Jen

Grim_Traveller
on 7/24/19 2:00 pm
RNY on 08/21/12

Excellent reply Haley. Thank you.

I would add to Ava:

6'3" tall, male. Maintaining a loss of 280 pounds.

Highest weight was 475. Consult weight 04/12 was 411. RNY on 08/21/12 at 359 lbs. Current weight 195.

M1 -24; M2 -21; M3 -19; M4 -21; M5 -13; M6 -21; M7 -10; M8 -16; M9 -10; M10 -8; M11 -6; M12 -5.

quutgrrl
on 7/24/19 4:28 pm

The question with studies conclusions always is : how many people were studied was it controlled or self-reported and for how long ? Who paid for the study ? ( almost always the industry potentially affected ) ( certainly almost never the government )

this is why I watch what the surgeons recommend - because they know and they talk among themselves. And for sure in the last ten years the surgeons have stopped pushing protein .

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 7/25/19 8:07 am
RNY on 08/05/19

If you had bothered to read the link, which of course you didn't, you would know one of the major sources of data in this article article was a randomized, controlled trial with clinically-recorded (not self-reported) data with thousands of participants.

Nerdy Little Secret (#42) - Derby Strong!
VSG 2013, lost 150lb - RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD


The Salty Hag
on 7/24/19 8:34 am
RNY on 05/20/13
On July 24, 2019 at 1:08 PM Pacific Time, quutgrrl wrote:

The subject ( post op transfer addiction and alcohol use ) is interesting and it?s a shame an honest if controversial thread is eliminated simply because the original posters opinion expressed is not momentarily popular .

Please let?s remember the great protein controversy ... turns out excess protein does cause deadly kidney disease.Bariatric Surgeons now do not encourage supplementing protein past a few weeks or at the most months. We always learn from each other ... and OH is one of the best places to learn how to live happily and healthily post op based on our own real- life experiences.

To respond to a few comments : yes I?m a great example of what not to do lol ... some of my past posts were written impaired and were very whacked. However I think much more than transfer addiction went into getting and keeping me trapped for a few years.

I think when we get rid of the binging all our weaknesses come out of hiding . I wish I?d started with weekly therapy right after surgery ( I didn?t because I was in a honeymoon phase and happy ) . But even then the anxiety immature rebelliousness was showing through .... the putting too much pressure on myself .. the lack of self- love skills to soothe myself and comfort myself with anything other than endless sports and gardening . I had no idea about positive relationships especially with the opposite sex.

Interestingly my way of now ( after years of therapy and painful sobriety of a year ) accepting that I need time to relax and permission to enjoy being a responsible adult has led to very very little drinking even when I?m ? allowed to ? . Slowly I?m dealing with my emotional immaturity and rebelliousness ( I?m growing myself up ) without running to a substance . Though I give myself permission to have five drinks for the last three nights I?ve only had one or two and last night I threw most of my first glass of wine out .

I will just point out Jeneen someone?s book a long time ago where she dealt with chronic dieting by giving herself permission to eat ANYTHING in moderation . It worked for her and it worked for me . Still works yet almost every day I choose to eat very healthily. For me alcohol recovery is successfully working the same way . I posted to help others who?d lost their way and who like me will not tolerate suffering .

No, it's not a shame your previous thread was pulled. It was damned smart of the mods to pull it down.

You will obviously NEVER understand how much your threads could potentially damage other people's lives, but I am thankful to the website for realizing it and acting accordingly.

I woke up in between a memory and a dream...

Tom Petty

quutgrrl
on 7/24/19 9:57 am

We're all adults here ( at least mostly ) . We're all responsible to make decisions for ourselves. Pulling down posts because " they might influence someone " is 1. Incorrectly assuming the " party line " is right for everyone . Obviously this is a fallacy. 2. It's totally insulting to US the posters . We're too stoopid to make the correct decisions for ourselves because we're formerly fat ? Really ???!!!

rocky513
on 7/24/19 3:41 pm - WI

"Allowing" yourself to drink 5 glasses of wine per night is not "the correct decision" for anyone. That is called alcoholism.

Not eating the required grams of protein is dangerous. I have to eat over 100 grams of protein daily to keep my numbers up. I pay attention to my lab work and have it done yearly. Protein deficiency is not fun thing to go through.

Your original post, that was taken down, was full of justification for this bad behavior. Whether you believe it or not, there are guidelines that every bariatric center advocates. If you came to a center, looking for WLS, and told them that you were not going to eat the required daily grams of protein, and that you planned to drink a bottle of wine every night, they would refuse you for surgery.....period. The rules they set out for us are not optional, they are essential for our success.

As for your last comment about OH thinking we're too stupid to make decisions for ourselves... I, for one, allowed myself to get 130 pounds overweight. My judgement is not the best where food, eating, and drinking is concerned. I appreciate this site for steering me in the right direction.

Your ridiculous posts can effect a person who is struggling with food or alcohol addiction and looking for any excuse to go off plan. You need to hold yourself to a certain standard when commenting on a public forum. Save your opinions for your therapist. We like to deal with facts and reality here so we can actually pay our success forward to someone new.

HW 270 SW 236 GW 160 CW 145 (15 pounds below goal!)

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