Lab results came back. A1C Normal..Still spilling protein in urine

quutgrrl
on 9/9/19 12:56 pm

I already replied once but apparently it's lost :(

I was diabetic too before surgery . Only on Metformin though . My ex husband however needed not just daily insulin but an insulin booster .

(((()))) first of all a giant hug cuz I know how frightening this is . And the fact is the care and YOUR care of your precious body are better than ever ... so Ure gonna get thru this.

Most males at a certain age develop slow pee-pee ( prostrate blockage ) problems. This can and will compromise the kidneys ... one of the main reasons men live shorter lives than wimmen .

There are very effective drugs and treatments to help ... like painless symptomless permanent radiation seeding which Rudy Giuliani as Mayor of New York and an ex NBA player friend of mine both had done with GREAT results .

Please stop stressing Ur precious kidneys now with a high protein diet . Low protein diets are recommended for anyone with kidney issues . The ten pounds these dangerous diets keep off is hardly worth your health ! Love hugs please keep us posted

jmk187
on 9/9/19 8:39 pm
VSG on 02/13/19

Thank you for this..but goodness if I reduce protein in my diet there won't be hardly anything I can eat since I already have to reduce my carbs because of my diabetes. I heard reducing the salt is key as well. How about beans and legumes..should those be reduced as well or just animal protein. Maybe I will try reducing my protein from an animal source to only 1 meal a day. 2 other meals vegetarian.

HW-430

SW-372

Day of Surgery-347

CW-276

Grim_Traveller
on 9/10/19 4:43 am
RNY on 08/21/12

Please ignore all of that "advice." Please.

6'3" tall, male. Maintaining a loss of 280 pounds.

Highest weight was 475. Consult weight 04/12 was 411. RNY on 08/21/12 at 359 lbs. Current weight 195.

M1 -24; M2 -21; M3 -19; M4 -21; M5 -13; M6 -21; M7 -10; M8 -16; M9 -10; M10 -8; M11 -6; M12 -5.

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 9/10/19 8:24 am
RNY on 08/05/19

"Reduce protein if you have kidney problems" is old advice. There was a great study done last year that completely debunked this.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-11-high-protein-diet-aff ect-kidney-function.html

Nerdy Little Secret (#42) - Derby Strong!
VSG 2013, lost 150lb - RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD


califsleevin
on 9/12/19 9:58 am - CA

Note that the study that Julie is linking refers to the results of healthy individuals, rather than those with some form of compromised kidney function. With your hyperproteinuria, I would follow the guidance of your specialists - nephrologist or endocrinologist, or an affiliated RD - rather than the general findings of an over-glorified gym teacher (associate kinesology professor).

When dealing with multiple issues, often with conflicting requirements, a good RD can be very helpful in balancing your specific nutritional requirements (do you really need to be obsessively low carb now, or only watchful, etc.) - that is what they are educated on and do for a living.

I have had minor protein dumping for years, but nothing has really progressed on that. I don't do anything special as far as being low protein - I consume enough to maintain my lean mass, around 100-110 g/day, but not the silly/stupid amounts (150-200+) that sometimes get suggested by some of the fad diets. I also don't do fad diet levels of carbohydrates (40, 30, 20 g...) but rather what is appropriate for good nutrition (quality is also a lot more important than quantity when it comes to these macro counts.)

1st support group/seminar - 8/03 (has it been that long?)  

Wife's DS - 5/05 w Dr. Robert Rabkin   VSG on 5/9/11 by Dr. John Rabkin

 

Sparklekitty, Science-Loving Derby Hag
on 9/10/19 8:24 am
RNY on 08/05/19

>> Low protein diets are recommended for anyone with kidney issues.

Research published last year changed this recommendation.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-11-high-protein-diet-aff ect-kidney-function.html

"It's a concept that's been around for at least 50 years and you hear it all the time: higher protein diets cause ," says Stuart Phillips, a professor of kinesiology at McMaster who oversaw the study.

"The fact is, however, that there's just no evidence to support this hypothesis in fact, the evidence shows the contrary is true: higher protein increases, not decreases, kidney function," he says.

Nerdy Little Secret (#42) - Derby Strong!
VSG 2013, lost 150lb - RNY conversion 2019 due to GERD


quutgrrl
on 9/10/19 7:01 am

Not so nice Grim ....

the fact is many of us are actively diabetic or pre-diabetic for years before bariatric surgery . Which means some damage to the kidneys has already been done .

This is one of the reasons kidney issues are considered one of the potentially negative long term side effects of WLS .

Ive been around this site long enough to remember quite a few posters with serious kidney problems - remember Jen from chat and posting who had to have a kidney removed because it failed ? How is she doing years later ? I particularly remember her because of her insistence on following a high protein diet despite her doctors recommendation - and half a year later her kidney had to be removed and she only had partial working in the second one ((())) poor baby .

You and I could both list half a dozen other posters with serious kidney insufficiency type complications over the years - all of whom in my memory chose to eat high protein.

One good friend of mine ( perhaps yours too ) was rushed to an emergency room just last week and told he was very close to having to go on dialysis . He's still in a rehab being monitored hourly ....

Its also a fact that kidney failure is increasing dramatically in America as a whole .... as can be seen by the incredible multiplication of shopping mall dialysis centers ... and transplant options are also exponentially smaller due to the giant number of patients needing them . And life expectancy and life quality are nothing similar post dialysis than before kidney failure.

For me this is enough of a threat to not push my protein intake beyond what my body naturally craves . The ten lbs or so that can be kept off with an unnaturally low carb/ high protein / fatty diet isn't remotely worth the health risk as far as I'm concerned .

quutgrrl
on 9/12/19 7:17 am

However those studies are very interesting - thanks for posting the links SK.

1300 plus people in one ... hmm that's a pretty valid sounding study .

I don't mean to imply that the high protein eating folks I know are dropping like flies - that's simply not true . However for whatever reason developing post op kidney issues is a risk of bariatric surgery we all sign consent forms about .

There was another girl ( Jen was a nurse by the way from the midwest.... hasn't anyone stayed in touch with her ? ) .... for the life of me I can't remember her name and she was SO nice ... her avatar was a tattoo she had done on her back and her hubby was a big- wheel giant truck derby driver ...she had some very serious kidney and tummy issues ...

I guess as a " former" diabetic I'm very aware how much insidious damage this horrible disease will do unchecked and that's it's already probably done a lot more than I know . I'm just a cautious kitty ...

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