CPT code 43645 Info Needed for Lap DS

DS Facts
on 1/6/09 2:57 pm
I need some help! Someone has asked me about the meaning of a CPT code, and being a Canadian I know nothing about them.

This person has been told CPT code 43645 is the Laparoscopic code for the Duodenal Switch, and has been told it is a long-limb gastric bypass (over 150 cm roux limb). The open code 43845 is not covered for this person.

Can anyone help?

Thanks,
Bev
jacqqui
on 1/6/09 3:17 pm - Cherry Hill Area, NJ
I think I remember her post on here. this might help:

catalog.ama-assn.org/Catalog/cpt/cpt_search.jsp

icd9cm.chrisendres.com/icd9cm/

www.icd9data.com/


Jacqui


Ht 5'9" HW 389 / SW 385 / CW 192/ LW/ 164 / GW 180-190 
 

(deactivated member)
on 1/6/09 3:40 pm - San Jose, CA
I am somewhat confused by this.  I was also told (I can't remember by whom) that 43645 was the code for a lap DS, but the description of that code appears to be related to some form of gastric bypass and not vertical gastrectomy.  I would be very careful about this -- I think a few DS surgeons are using "creative coding" to get around insurance problems.

http://www.facs.org/fellows_info/bulletin/2005/bothe0105.pdf

Gastric restrictive procedures

Two codes were added to the section on laparoscopic procedures on the stomach. Code 43644 is a new code for a laparoscopic gastric bypass and Roux-en-Y gastroenterostomy where the roux limb is 150 cm or less. Code 43645 is a new code for a laparoscopic gastric bypass and small intestine reconstruction.  There is one new code and one revised code in the section on open procedures on the stomach. Code 43845 was added to report a biliopancreatic diversion with a duodenal switch. The full descriptor for code 43845 is Gastric restrictive procedure with partial gastrectomy, pylorus-preserving duodenoileostomy and ileoileostomy (50 to 100 cm common channel) to limit absorption (duodenal switch). Code 43846, the open Roux-en-Y procedure, was revised to change the maximum length of the roux limb from 100 cm to 150 cm.


Vicki PNW
on 1/6/09 3:52 pm, edited 1/6/09 3:53 pm
43845 - Gastric restrictive procedure with partial gastrectomy, pylorus-preserving duodenoileostomy and ileolieostomy (50 to 100 cm common channel) to limit absorption (biliopancreatic diversion with duodenal switch).

This CPT is applicable to both open and lap DS.

43645 - Laparoscopy, surgical, gastric restrictive procedure with gastric bypass and small intestine reconstruction to limit absorption.

This code does not describe any specific malabsorptive procedure.  However, this is a gastric bypass operation for sure and should not be coded as a DS.  If a surgeon codes a DS this way, then he/she has committed insurance fraud.

Vicki

DS (lap) with Dr. Clifford Deveney. Cholecystectomy (lap) with Dr. Clifford Deveney 19 months post-op.

Has not weighed myself since 1/2010.  Letting my clothes gauge my progress instead.

DS Facts
on 1/6/09 3:54 pm
Thansk Vicki. I passed on this info.

Bev
happy girl
on 1/7/09 12:32 am
I have seen 43645  used for lap distal RNY or when the pt has an ulcer or something that needs to be resected and causes reconstruction of the sm bowel during the RNY

2003 RNY, 2007 Revision Distal RNY
April 17, 2009 ~ fleur de lis TT w/Muscle Repair, Medial Thigh Lift, Ventral Hernia Repair 


  

 

happy girl
on 1/7/09 12:34 am
FWIW from the coding manager at the hospital i work at  "There is no code for Lap DS, we use 43845"

2003 RNY, 2007 Revision Distal RNY
April 17, 2009 ~ fleur de lis TT w/Muscle Repair, Medial Thigh Lift, Ventral Hernia Repair 


  

 

Anna G.
on 1/7/09 2:00 am

Hi Bev,

I responded to her earlier on a different thread. 43645 is the code that my surgeon's office uses for lap DS. It's also the code that Blue Cross of AL routinely denies for lap DS.  It is the code that was approved on appeal by my employer, after they were provided with a wealth of information about the duodenal switch. Now, I can't find anything in my paperwork that specifically states that that code is for lap DS (except for emails from Dr. Smith's office, etc.). However when I googled it the first result I got was a Blue Cross Blue Shield of Rhode Island web site that specifically defines 43645 as the code for laparoscopic biliopancreatic diversion with duodenal switch.

So it appears that these codes are not defined in a uniform way and the definitions vary from one state/company to another.




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