Why Do Salads Make Me Sleepy?

MoLawEd
on 7/29/10 3:03 am - Cambridge, MA
By way of background: My surgery was on April 13, 2009, so I'm a bit over 15 months out. I've lost 168 pounds total and 134 since surgery, and I'd ideally like to lose 15 more, but I'd be happy with losing 1 more :-) Other than a couple of gallbladder attacks early out, I haven't had any issues.

I've noticed lately, however, that when I have a salad for lunch I get REALLY sleepy afterward, almost like I had a bunch of carbs. However, the salad I just ate just had cabbage, parsley, an array of roasted veggies that I keep on hand frozen in small portions (zucchini, summer squash, eggplant, green beans, red bell peppers, a little onion, a little okra, mushrooms), and Whole Foods fat-free mozzarella. The whole salad only had 112 calories, 12 grams of protein, 11 net carbs, and half a gram of fat. In other words, there is nothing in there that should bring on a carb coma. Yet, I just dozed off unintentionally and only woke up when someone opened the door to my office, and I'm struggling to keep my eyes open now.

I've noticed this with a few other salads lately too with a similar nutritional profile, though usually they are about 130-150 calories (with meat). I don't get the same effect when I eat nuts or have a protein shake. Anyone else want to pass out after eating salad? What might be causing this?

Having RNY was probably the best thing I've ever done for myself.

Approx highest weight: ~350. Highest measured weight: 338. Surgery weight: 297. Lowest weight (for 5 minutes): 169. Current weight: 209. Goal weight: ??? - maybe 180-185, which was my maintenance weight before the regain.

Cleopatra_Nik
on 7/29/10 3:09 am - Baltimore, MD
I can't answer for you but for me because I can eat way too much of them. If I eat too much (regardless of nutritional content) I get very sleepy. I call it a fullness coma.
MoLawEd
on 7/29/10 3:22 am - Cambridge, MA
I wasn't aware of the fullness coma, but that very well might be what's going on here coupled with the easy digestion of the roasted veggies.  Hmm, live and learn!  I was afraid this was a sign of something more sinister.

Having RNY was probably the best thing I've ever done for myself.

Approx highest weight: ~350. Highest measured weight: 338. Surgery weight: 297. Lowest weight (for 5 minutes): 169. Current weight: 209. Goal weight: ??? - maybe 180-185, which was my maintenance weight before the regain.

H.A.L.A B.
on 7/29/10 3:13 am
IMO - You need to add fat.
I noticed that when i eat a low fat meal- I get sleepy .  But adding some good fat - and I am OK.

Also - roasted veggies are very easy to digest and they turn into sugar faster that raw veggies. 
Protein - can be easily turn into a sugar also. 

The other thing is volume- If my meal is big -(volume wise) my body thinks that I got a lot to digest and my BP dropps causing sleepiness.  The digestion process - may cause "food coma"

Post-prandial somnolence is a state of drowsiness or lassitude following a meal. Post-prandial somnolence has two components – a general state of low energy related to activation of the parasympathetic nervous system in response to nutrients in the gastrointestinal tract, and a specific state of sleepiness caused by hormonal and neurochemical changes related to the rate at which glucose enters the bloodstream and its downstream effects on amino acid transport in the central nervous system..
Physiology

Parasympathetic activation

In response to the arrival of food in the stomach and small intestine, the activity of the parasympathetic nervous system increases and the activity of the sympathetic nervous system decreases.[1][2] This shift in the balance of autonomic tone towards the parasympathetic system results in a subjective state of low energy and a desire to be at rest, the opposite of the fight-or-flight state induced by high sympathetic tone. The larger the meal, the greater the shift in autonomic tone towards the parasympathetic system, regardless of the composition of the meal.

Insulin, large neutral amino acids, and tryptophan

When foods with a high glycemic index are consumed, glucose is absorbed rapidly from the gastrointestinal tract into the bloodstream, and in individuals with normal carbohydrate metabolism, insulin levels rise concordantly to drive glucose in to the body's tissues and maintain blood glucose levels in the normal range.[3] Insulin stimulates the uptake of valine, leucine, isoleucine, and tyrosine into skeletal muscle, but not uptake of tryptophan. This lowers the ratio of these large neutral amino acids in the bloodstream relative to tryptophan[4], making tryptophan preferentially available to the large neutral amino acid transport at the blood-brain barrier.[5] Uptake of tryptophan by the brain thus increases. In the brain, tryptophan is converted to serotonin[6], which is then converted to melatonin. Increased brain serotonin and melatonin levels result in sleepiness that has been objectively measured.[7]



From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postprandial_somnolence


Hala. RNY 5/14/2008; Happy At Goal =HAG

"I can eat or do anything I want to - as long as I am willing to deal with the consequences"

"Failure is not falling down, It is not getting up once you fell... So pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again...."

MoLawEd
on 7/29/10 3:21 am - Cambridge, MA
Ahh, very interesting.  It seems like the combination of easily digested veggies and the volume of the meal might be causing me problems. I don't think the salad was super-huge, but I guess it is bigger than my normal portion.  I've been eating that same amount of roasted veggies without a problem, but I usually have meat or something with them.  That's really helpful - thank you!

Having RNY was probably the best thing I've ever done for myself.

Approx highest weight: ~350. Highest measured weight: 338. Surgery weight: 297. Lowest weight (for 5 minutes): 169. Current weight: 209. Goal weight: ??? - maybe 180-185, which was my maintenance weight before the regain.

Cleopatra_Nik
on 7/29/10 3:24 am - Baltimore, MD

Did you see my carb fest post yesterday? I pointed out to someone who asked if I went into a carb coma that I know how to get around that. So long I hit my body’s protein “sweet spot" nothing makes me sleepy. So I never eat a carb without a solid protein source. I’m not sure if I am glad I know this!

 

RNY Gastric Bypass 1-8-08 350/327/200 (HW/SW/CW). I spend most of my time playing with my food over at Bariatric Foodie - check me out!

MoLawEd
on 7/29/10 3:32 am - Cambridge, MA
Heh, yep I saw your post, but not until this morning 'cause I wasn't on OH much yesterday.  I think I need to try your strategy.  It's just interesting because I never expected carb coma from salad.  I mean sure, when I eat cake or cookies or something like that, I feel that the coma is expected and well deserved.  But c'mon - too much veggie salad? Really, it's come to this??

Having RNY was probably the best thing I've ever done for myself.

Approx highest weight: ~350. Highest measured weight: 338. Surgery weight: 297. Lowest weight (for 5 minutes): 169. Current weight: 209. Goal weight: ??? - maybe 180-185, which was my maintenance weight before the regain.

Cleopatra_Nik
on 7/29/10 3:40 am - Baltimore, MD
For me it's not the carbs. I eat too much meat I fall out. I think Hala's suggestion might be true for me.

RNY Gastric Bypass 1-8-08 350/327/200 (HW/SW/CW). I spend most of my time playing with my food over at Bariatric Foodie - check me out!

H.A.L.A B.
on 7/29/10 3:58 am
I had food coma once after eating chicken breast with cucumbers... Give me a freaking break!. 
That's why I had to figure that out.  I added mayo next meal, and little less chicken - no food coma.  Go figure...

Hala. RNY 5/14/2008; Happy At Goal =HAG

"I can eat or do anything I want to - as long as I am willing to deal with the consequences"

"Failure is not falling down, It is not getting up once you fell... So pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again...."

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