Why is it wrong for DSers to post on this board?

 I can not believe the bullying that I see going on on this and the main board. Why is not okay for a DSer to post on this board or the main board? This board is the CA board. Anyone can post on it. I've never seen a disclaimer that says only such and such person can post on any board. 

I have seen so many people flame DSers for trying to get the DS message out there. Why? Do you not see that the post is intended for pre-ops and newbies? Why do you feel compelled to read a thread not intended for you and then get your panties all in a wad. If the post read " post ops you did not do your research and chose the wrong surgery" then I could see you all getting huffy.  

There are more RNY and lapband patients than there are DS or VSG patients. How can pre ops and newbies hope to get information on anything other than the RNY or lapband if they do not see informational posts like the ones some DSers start? I do not see big banners on OH advertising the DS. Most medical groups and insurance do not have an in network DS surgeon. So patients are referred to bariatric surgeons who only perform the RNY or lapband. Do you honestly thing that a surgeon who doesn't perform the DS is going to tell a patient that the DS would be a better option for them?

I've struggled with insurance problems for a number of years trying to get WLS. If a person (who by the way was hoping to have, but still hasn't had the DS) didn't suggest I check out the DS I would've never found out about it. My sister had the RNY. She is doing very well with it. And has lost and maintained a great deal of weight loss. But I still chose to investigate the DS and now I am finally going to get it.  Does my getting the DS mean that my sister made the wrong choice or that she's a failure? NO. It just means that I believe that FOR ME the DS diet and lifestyle would be one that I would be able to succeed at. 

BTW I've seen many DSers help on the insurance board and mainboard. They help others who are not only trying to get or had the DS. I for one have tried to help as many people as I can get WLS. I do not tell someone that I won't help them because they aren't getting the DS. I may suggest they look into it, but if they still want to pursue something else I still help them. The way some people on this board and the mainboard make it sound it's as if all DSers are trouble makers and confrontational. No to the contrary many do alot of good for everyone.

Start flaming.........................

It's not wrong for DS'ers to post on this board. 

There was another post on this board or the main board earlier this weekend about a similar topic; that is, can't all of us with the different surgeries try to get along?

I personally haven't flamed or been flamed on this topic.  My experiences with other OH members who have had a different type of surgery has been relatively pleasant, whether it was on the board or in person.  As a matter of fact, I had two lovely ladies over this morning for awhile and all three of us have had different surgeries.

There is no one panacea/surgery for all patients.  We all have to make the best decision for our situation.  As long as we can respect one another's decision, there is no issue.

Best wishes to you in all of your endeavors.

Lisa

Hi there Neely:

No flaming from me as everyone has their own opinion and we welcome all opinions here.  To my knowledge I have never seen anyone direct someone against the DS.  This board is 95% non-denominational if you will WLS friendly.  I have been around since January 2004 also.

The problem that is there is the way the information is disseminated.  The sam thing could be said in a non confrontational mode.  It really does seem that it is written to rile up people because they are being treated with no respect and as if they are stupid.

If the sam logic is used with pro RNY persons and one was to post it as DSers DO NOT READ, do you really think no DSers would read it.  Of course not.  It is plain ole human nature to look at something if you are told not to.  Human beings have been doing that since the beginning of time, remember Adam and Eve.  Stay away from the apple, but noooooo.......

So this is my explanation as to what is offensive to me.  It is most definitely NOT that the information is being given out, it is the WAY it is gone about.  Why go about it so negatively when it could be so much more positive is what I wonder about.

O.k. that is my .02 worth.  I hope that this kind of clears up the drama.  Happy 2009.  I hope it is a great one for you.  May you win the lottery!!

OK, make your case Ms. Paralegal or maybe future JD. As your friend, I hope you exceed at even your own expectations in law. BUT, make your case! 

What about counselor's Cox's initial informative nonconfrontational post was anything more than imparting information- science peer reviewed as is usual with her with some personal accounting of her delight in finding her way to health as a way of making what damn few Bariatric practices address in even a remotely honest way. Show me any evidence to the contrary! Real evidence by virtue of her initial post or that of Bariatric practices that do not perform the DS. 

The CA board like all state OH boards amounts to grade school RNY and banded cliques claiming to be so damn supportive and accepting. I sure as hell don't see any evidence of it here and certianly not on the other related threads here. 

Shame on ME for wasting my time trying to be helpful to others here when such overt HOSTILTY presents itself by so many on the CA board because of my surgery choice and that of others need  to impart science based fact... And YES. I try very hard to help other WLS types within the confines of their chosen surgical weight loss interventions. Indeed, you're mostly excluded in this my rant, but really! This isn't a high school popularity contest, it's about people’s lives. Risking ones life to get back to health and hopefully making the right decision the first time around. Meaning a FULLY informed unbiased decision based on solid evidence and the best peer reviewed data available and NOT just happy talk or nonsense spewed by the prolific nefarious lucrative Bariatric practices. 

Sure,  I love my DS, but it's big surgery and I'll be the FIRST in line to promote something BETTER as soon as the science and developing techniques present themselves. Good science and medicine is agnostic. Color me in that camp because I am always seeking a better alternative.

Rock

It is WRONG to ridicule people for their choices and call them unintelligent because of their choices or opinions.

 I do not think that this post is intended toward me since I've never ridiculed anyone. 

No, not you silly.

My posts were intended for all the other nonsupportive malcontents here.

Rock

I just read your profile and I have to say congrats to you for the persistence you have maintained in getting WLS.  With your approval and your beautiful little girl, I would venture to say that you have already hit the lottery!

Do you think less of your sister because she had the RNY?  Do you think she is ignorant and stupid because she didn't have the DS?  I am guessing that the answer is no.  You have said she has been successful.  I hope you will be successful also once you have your surgery, but let me ask you again, do you think less of me or any other person because of their choice of surgery?  Heck, this isn't Communist Russia.  The more opinions the better.

Hugs to you

I really think you should re read my post. NO WHERE do I say you or anyone else is ignorant for not choosing the DS.  Please do not put words in my mouth. This is how all the crap starts on these boards. 

You said:
Do you think less of your sister because she had the RNY?  Do you think she is ignorant and stupid because she didn't have the DS?  I am guessing that the answer is no.  You have said she has been successful.  I hope you will be successful also once you have your surgery, but let me ask you again, do you think less of me or any other person because of their choice of surgery?  Heck, this isn't Communist Russia.  The more opinions the better.

From my post:
"Does my getting the DS mean that my sister made the wrong choice or that she's a failure? NO. It just means that I believe that FOR ME the DS diet and lifestyle would be one that I would be able to succeed at. "

I have helped many people on these boards with insurance issues. Go back through my posts and point out where I call anyone ignorant or stupid or anything for choosing a surgery other than the one I chose. 

Just like everyone else here I have a right to my opinion and I'm stating it. I think that some of these message boards just gang up on DSers because they can.  Do people actually read these posts with an open mind or do they see the word DS and are ready for a fight before they even finish reading? 
 

It is not wrong for DSers or any other surgery patients to post here. Personally, I invite you to post more often.  Would you consider participating more often on this board?


It is not wrong to express a difference of opinion here either.  This is a community, not a clique...no one person has any authority to tell anyone else what they can post here. Differing viewpoints make this board informative, interesting and educational.  I would appreciate hearing from more DSers on this board.  I think it's needed. 


I also wish we could hear more often from people who have 'failed' or made mistakes along their weight-loss journey. I realize that it's risky to talk about such things because you have to be vulnerable and risk being flamed. However, hearing the good and the bad about any kind of WLS is important especially to someone who is researching their options before surgery. 



I've been around this board for a few years now and I have yet to understand why there is such a divide between DSers and RNYers. I think it is so unfortunate, we have all struggled with obesity. Does it matter how a person lost their weight? NO! It doesn't matter and I am no less supportive of someone who loses weight without surgery...why would I discriminate against someone who has chosen a different surgery? That's so...may I say it? ...it's STUPID.