So, which so called "DS surgeons" should we avoid?

Terry Simpson used to do the DS in Phoenix -- even wrote a very supportive letter for me when I was appealing my denial.  He decided to switch to the Lapband and to diss the DS -- saying he could not get his patients to be compliant.  I'd suggest it was a failure of aftercare, or patient selection.  Or perhaps the kickback from the lapband manufacturer.

Schlessinger is a whole 'nother issue.  From what I have heard, he was an RNY surgeon who started offering the DS -- open only.  And then started offering revisions to RNYs -- SAYING he did the DS, but I don't know if he ever did one of them -- he apparently always talks them into getting the ERNY, alleging it is just as good.  Ask Joyce about how that worked out for her and others she knows.

Ahhhh okay. Clarify for the dumb woman then: They have BOTH misrepresented themselves as doing the DS, but one lied bigger than the other one. Yes? No? Duh EN? Who is Joyce, one of the disappointed groupies? LInks? *I know questions questions questions.....I'm just that way.....*

*mutters on the way to post button about "good enough" bull****

Not exactly.

Simpson did the DS, and claimed it was the best WLS -- and then he did a 180 and stopped doing it and started dissing it.

Schlessinger does an open DS, but if people come looking for a revision of an RNY, says a revision to a full DS is too dangerous, and talks them into an ERNY instead.

Hmmm.So Simpson is a bait and don't switch ***** who has gone anti-DS, and Schlessinger is a bait and don't switch ***** who lies from the start. Oy, hard to decide which one is worse....

OK, let me get this right!

This list, Elizabeth, is a list of "so called 'DS surgeons' we should avoid".

While I appreciate the fervor with which everyone who participated in this thread.

I captured all the surgeons you all have listed here and compared them to the list of North American Duodenal Switch surgeons on a website you all might have heard of called www.dsfacts.com/index.html

Husted  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Pomp  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Brolin  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Hucaz  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Warden  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Herron  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Voellinger  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Feng  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Schlessinger  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Schweitzer  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Gagner  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Deveney  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Patterson  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Herron  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Cirangle  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Jossart  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Simpson  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Crookes  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Katkhouda  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Gagner  Vetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com
Terry Simpson  NonVetted surgeon on DSFACTS.com

So that makes 10 of the surgeons listed in this thread show up in the list of DS surgeons on DSFACTS.com.  If these surgeons are to be avoided, does that mean that the list of DS surgeons shown on DSFACTS.com isn't worth the electronic paper it is written on!!!!! 

And if the list of surgeons is not to be trusted, that implies that ALL the information on www.dsfacts.com/index.html is not to be trusted.

My 2 cents worth.

That's right. Every list should come with caveats and feedback from actual people who use the list. This thread was clearly asking for opinions.

Some of those docs used to be respected DS surgeons and have turned to crap (now 2-stagers, now bait-and-don't switch, now crap ERNY guys, etc.). Hence the point of this thread, to share information.

For example, Dr. Schweitzer USED to be on the DSFACTS vetted list until very recently and now he's not, due to patient feedback like this thread. Try and keep up, okay?

Yeah, many of us love www.dsfacts.com and the person who runs it. But it's merely a tool, trying to capture data at a fixed time in a fixed place, like pinning Jello to a wall. It has some politics, too. Should she remove a doc because 3 people woke up with a sleeve? 100 people? What exactly IS the threshold? Should she remove someone because 100 people say their surgeon is a boob? It's not an enviable job Bev has, but I'm grateful she does it.

Oh, and your flawed logic shows you never even took a Philosophy 101 course. DSFACTS is a great tool, even if the list does not accurately reflect the sentiment of a few people on a message board. But it is a static thing in a fluid world. It will always be slightly out of date, due to the nature of the beast, but we should all be damn glad to have it as a starting place.

You're just bitter because your doc is getting well-deserved flak for allegedly becoming a lame 2-stager. You'd better run, your Pomp fan club meeting is about to begin in the Riviera Ballroom.

Nicolle

The list of surgeons changes over time. Bev, the woman who created and runs dsfacts.com, does her best to stay up with the latest, but she does have a real life to live and she is only one woman.

In addition, various degrees of concern have been raised about the names you highlight. What is the threshold for being removed from the list? Hard to say. No one I know of question Husted's ability or willingness to perform the DS, for example--there are just other concerns. Should he be off the list because he moves around a lot?

I wouldn't be surprised to see some of those names coming off the list eventually. Pomp, for example, who seems to have turned bait-and-don't-switch.

The vetted surgeon's list is a starting point. If you look at it, and find a particular surgeon that interests you, you should do more research into that surgeon. The DS is less commonly performed and requires diligent follow-up; if you are a sheep who just wants to be told when & where to show up to have your DS done, then the DS isn't for you.

I'll be honest, your allegation that nothing at dsfacts.com can be trusted is just...stupid. Go !@$# yourself, but apologize to Bev before you do it.

I'll be honest, your allegation that nothing at dsfacts.com can be trusted is just...stupid. Go !@$# yourself, but apologize to Bev before you do it.

Read the last line again...it says that if the list is so screwed up now, that we can not trust the list at dsfacts, it implies we can not trust what dsfacts says. So all these other threads where we have been told to "go find a trusted ds surgeon on dsfacts" is just hogwash right now?

I realize Bev has a life, we all do but be careful trashing surgeons who are NOT your own. Even be very careful in talking about your own surgeon.

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To EN...I would suggest that this thread be pulled, I know you don't want to hear that but legally, you are on very thin ice.

Liz

Read the last line again...it says that if the list is so screwed up now, that we can not trust the list at dsfacts, it implies we can not trust what dsfacts says. So all these other threads where we have been told to "go find a trusted ds surgeon on dsfacts" is just hogwash right now?

Which part of "it's a starting point" and "do your own research" did you not understand?

Again, if you just want to be told when & where to show up to have surgery done, then the DS is not for you.

And I have no idea which surgeon you are alleging that I am "trashing".

I never said that dsfacts.com could not be trusted.  You all did with your responses of WLS surgeons to avoid which implies that the information on this website is not to be trusted.

Have a nice day!!!!