*sigh* That would require the person to be intelligent, researched, prepared and not prone to self-sabotage. That's a lot of "ifs." 

I'm reminded of the person with whom I corresponded a while back who was in great distress over rapidly declining protein levels and a bad belly reaction to whey type supplements. When I asked about EATING MEAT, person responded that meat consumption was severely limited due to finances. Person could only afford steak twice a week. Therefore very little meat was being consumed.

I responded, of course, "Um, how about hamburger? Chicken thighs? Eggs? Cheese? Canned tuna? Whatever fish is on sale at your local fish place (person lived next to ocean in place with LOTS of fish options)?"

Answer? "OHHHH. I had no idea those things contained protein. Can you write up a high protein diet for me?" 

Scary stuff. Unfortunately, as the DS becomes more available with insurance, more people are going to get cut but not educated in these practices that have ****ty programs. And often as not those same programs will tell their patients, whom they are so woefully shortchanging, to not believe what they read on the Internet in places like this one. Hell, they could at LEAST steal one of the couple of good handbooks available online (like the one Dr. Keshishian uses) and hand that out, but often as not it doesn't even go that far.

*sigh*

Heck, they might be TOO BIG by the time it's cool enough to wear them! :-)

Crockpot 'em with bacon bits, chopped onion, and equal parts chili sauce and grape jelly.

Honey, you are  not stalled. You are losing inches. You have the proof of this in your clothes, yes?

Please try to divorce yourself from the scale. The flapping clothes are SO much more satisfying than those damned numbers, anyhow.

Oh dang, I would NEVER have thought to combine picante sauce and jelly. Way cool!

Some guy with a cheeseburger avi, I think.

Maybe talking more about the "gray area" surgeons would be a useful thread topic? Dr. B. and Dr. G. are great examples of such surgeons IMO.....Great cutters, HORRIBLE program for pretty much everything else, far as I can see. Then there's that 150-lb. nonsense. But for people who fit their parameters and who can take on their own followup and education, they're a viable option.

Hey, now that sounds like a lamb recipe I might like.

Let me emphasize here that I think very highly of Dr. Kemmeter. This is not a "calling out." It's a request for a real explanation, for real information. I follow him on Facebook and am always glad to read his thoughts.

He just might even be a person who could broaden my opinion of this procedure--and that is pretty high praise :-).

Dang, it must indeed be time for him to go away, since he is so poorly served here.