I am going to get back on track again..

Yes, you have to read the entire study to see why the chart is bogus out of context.  Here's the chart:

TABLE 5. Failure Rate Is Based on Final BMI ≥35 kg/m² for Morbidly Obese and BMI ≥40 kg/m² for Super Obese

yet you seem to forget to mention that in that SAME ARTICLE which can be found at
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmc entrez&artid=1856611

that the study, first of all was not done with the controls known to be the same... the DS numbers on that chart were not done by the authors of this article, they were done by Marceau in 2004.
the size of the groups seems to be a bit odd... 376 DSers vs. only 161 RNYers... you mean they couldn't find 376 RNYers to match?  in my opinion (and I've been involved with clinical research in the past) the percentage means nothing when the actual numbers are that off-balance.  If I studied 2 lap-banders, and one lost weight and the other didn't, maybe I can add to that table saying that the band has a 50% failure rate... just doesn't cut it.  plus, as I first said, the DS numbers were not gathered by the authors, yet borrowed from another study.  How do we (or THE AUTHORS) know the methods and conditions to get the info were the same as the ones used by the authors?

finally, in the past paragraph in that article, it says (bold added by me to prove a point):
It is equally puzzling that a malabsorptive procedure, the biliopancreatic diversion with duodenal switch, should have a similar reported late failure rate as a restrictive operation, the Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. A prospective randomized trial comparing the 2 techniques with appropriate follow-up periods (>10 years) is needed to confirm the findings suggested by these retrospective studies.

In other words, even the authors aren't sure, and they admit they need to do it in a different way.
all studies I've seen where the same group of doctors evaluate procedures evenly, show exactly what we've been saying here all along... we've been saying it all along because that's where we're getting our info... by researching papers, often to fight "investigative/experimental/not proven" denials by our insurance companies.

Lastly, if you look at that table that you seem so fond of, you'll see a footnote that says "*Biron et al. 5"

if you go to the link for the whole article.... and scroll down to the reference footnotes, you will see that #5 has a link to the Biron article.... that article CLEARLY says BPD... NOT BPD/DS... the DS was a major improvement over the original BPD and has considerably better results.  The old BPD is basically (with very minor differences) a very distal RNY (gastric remnant removed) with a much larger pouch

It was your study, you brought it, you wanted to quote it, now you want to discredit it. Ok, we'll go with either way!  You so prove my point that people do their own research, look up studies and reports and statistics on their own. The information is there, all one needs do is look for it.  I might add, as a debater through school, I discovered you can find information to prove any point you want, and in this computer literate age, it's even more true. So post your studies, then discredit them, then find more, and so on and on. And hopefully people look for their  own information with an unbiased mind, and do what's best for themselves. Just come on back when we're all 10 or so  years out, if we're all living and we'll take a look then, ok?

Not discrediting the study. Just your beloved chart out of context.  And I'm sure you will be around in 10 years as every one of your GBCF posts never sticks.

You have such a hard-on for someone , now it's gonna be me?  I bow out, you'll have to transfer this infatuation back to your last obsession, I don't need a crazy girlfriend!

Oh, I think you DO!

"If someone came over to this board and said "DS sucks, it failed me I only lost X weight and regained X weight" and THEN said something like "I eat much less than 100 grams of protein a day, mcuh less than 80 grams of fat a day and over 500 grams of carbs a day" you can bet everyone here would say HOLD on, you gotta eat right or suffer the concequences. "

 

I tell ya what fpk,  You just hold your breath until that happens, OK?  We will let you know, bawahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Dawn, are you drinking in the new year?  My party got cancelled cuz the hosts are sick.  I feel like I'm coming down with a cold, too!  I should go get some kahlua and cream and just ring in the new year with you guys, huh?!

Hey LeaAnn...when I run out of wine, I am going to have a chocolate martini! One part godiva, one part Baley's, one part vanilla vodka. What a way to bring in the new year. Too bad DH is sick!!! Dianne

Girl, you gotta eat a clove of garlic ASAP -- you are NOT allowed to get sick when you're coming to see ME.

Hopefully I'll be better by then....