Paul...what the

wlscand09
on 7/6/08 7:12 am - Tickfaw, LA
Ohhh...defending the DS basically.
(deactivated member)
on 7/6/08 7:13 am - Aubrey, TX

http://dorkon.com/attydallas/Insulting%20Message.htm

 

Here's a copy of the thread the last time I saved it.  I only have page 1. 

snicklefritz
on 7/6/08 8:50 am - Cincinnati, OH

How do we know for sure he actually sent it.?  She says he did but she might have an axe to grind too for all we know.

(deactivated member)
on 7/6/08 9:14 am - Aubrey, TX
Paul just admitted he sent it to someone he thinks was a person that sent him a nasty message.
AttyDallas
on 7/6/08 8:54 am - Garland, TX

 Cross-posted from the DS Forum:  * * * * * * Before you guys jump me, why didn't you try ASKING me in PM about that PM?

  FYI,  I sent that PM in response to a hateful and harrassive PM she sent ME, out of the blue ..   I had saved it in case I needed to show it to defend myself , but it got auto-deleted by my computer when I didn't access it for several days.  

   The original PM I received was sent by "Patty", but with a pair of little hearts before and after her username (not sure how she was able to do that, btw) ..  In it she called me a "pendejo" ("*******" in Spanish) and a few other choice inflammatory things   --   something about my must being a "wrinkled old man" and some other things specifically mentioned  that shows she has been reading some of my older posts.  It seemed like she was upset, or at least acted like it in her post, over my earlier controversial post on the main forum in which I was asking for people's thoughts on interracial relationships today and if and how they have changed in their area, if at all  .. 

    When I tried to respond to Patty's post, I found she had discontinued the username/account  (I wouldn't' be surprised if she just created it to send the PM) ..  Foolishly though, she used her first name and included a photograph of her (and her husband?) in her avatar.  Bound and determined to find out who this person was that sent it to me, I did a recent member search and found the current Patty's username with the same pic on it as on the <3 Patty <3's username, so I knew it had to be her.   I therefore sent that PM to her (note that I used some Spanish in it, b/c she apparently speaks it).  

     I admit my response was a kneejerk reaction, but the PM from her was so hateful and childish that's how I reacted to it.   It's human nature, unfortunately.  (something called "the Pendulum Effect" in interpersonal communications, btw).

    And, yes, I have been admonished by the admin as to the sending of the PM, and as I told the admin I should have just reported  Patty's original PM to me to them, and not fired off a responsive one back to her that was equally vicious (or at least intended to be).    But again, I was so hot and bothered at the time I read it that it just happened.

   Now, if the current Patty is NOT <3 Patty <3.  let her assert that matter and, if she's not, I do apologize to her.  However, I don't see how or why someone would send me a PM like that and go through the trouble of making it look like it came from the present Patty, or how they were able to put her avatar pic on their avatar, for that matter.  The present Patty did send me a responsive PM asking me why I had sent that PM to her, but I took that as her just acting "innocent' and did not respond to it.  Again, if someone was impersonating her, than I apologize deeply for what happened.  The admins should look into how that happened and see if there is any way of preventing members from being able to do that in the future, or at least delete the offending member's other accounts on OH, if any.

    As to supposedly preferential treatment, I do have friends that PM me (or the admins) when they see abuse of me on forums like the R & R, which I don't even visit, other than a couple of times in the past in self-defense (I'll be posting this post to that thread there, as well, btw).  I appreciate ya'll bringing this thread on R & R to my attention.  R & R is, IMHO, counterproductive and antithetical to the whole mission of OH which is to support, guide, and comfort each other in our adventures with MO.  OH should, in my opinion, aboli**** as it has caused a lot of sore feelings and breakups of friendships of OH members in the past, and even that of some staff members, as we have all seen before    

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snicklefritz
on 7/6/08 9:16 am - Cincinnati, OH
We should have asked you.  I apologize. I did think you were probably reacting to something so it is good to know I was right. You do not need to defend yourself to me nor to anyone else on this board in my opinion. You explained it and that should be enough.
(deactivated member)
on 7/6/08 9:20 am - uranus, CA
RNY on 09/19/06 with
On July 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM Pacific Time, AttyDallas wrote:

 Cross-posted from the DS Forum:  * * * * * * Before you guys jump me, why didn't you try ASKING me in PM about that PM?

  FYI,  I sent that PM in response to a hateful and harrassive PM she sent ME, out of the blue ..   I had saved it in case I needed to show it to defend myself , but it got auto-deleted by my computer when I didn't access it for several days.  

   The original PM I received was sent by "Patty", but with a pair of little hearts before and after her username (not sure how she was able to do that, btw) ..  In it she called me a "pendejo" ("*******" in Spanish) and a few other choice inflammatory things   --   something about my must being a "wrinkled old man" and some other things specifically mentioned  that shows she has been reading some of my older posts.  It seemed like she was upset, or at least acted like it in her post, over my earlier controversial post on the main forum in which I was asking for people's thoughts on interracial relationships today and if and how they have changed in their area, if at all  .. 

    When I tried to respond to Patty's post, I found she had discontinued the username/account  (I wouldn't' be surprised if she just created it to send the PM) ..  Foolishly though, she used her first name and included a photograph of her (and her husband?) in her avatar.  Bound and determined to find out who this person was that sent it to me, I did a recent member search and found the current Patty's username with the same pic on it as on the <3 Patty <3's username, so I knew it had to be her.   I therefore sent that PM to her (note that I used some Spanish in it, b/c she apparently speaks it).  

     I admit my response was a kneejerk reaction, but the PM from her was so hateful and childish that's how I reacted to it.   It's human nature, unfortunately.  (something called "the Pendulum Effect" in interpersonal communications, btw).

    And, yes, I have been admonished by the admin as to the sending of the PM, and as I told the admin I should have just reported  Patty's original PM to me to them, and not fired off a responsive one back to her that was equally vicious (or at least intended to be).    But again, I was so hot and bothered at the time I read it that it just happened.

   Now, if the current Patty is NOT <3 Patty <3.  let her assert that matter and, if she's not, I do apologize to her.  However, I don't see how or why someone would send me a PM like that and go through the trouble of making it look like it came from the present Patty, or how they were able to put her avatar pic on their avatar, for that matter.  The present Patty did send me a responsive PM asking me why I had sent that PM to her, but I took that as her just acting "innocent' and did not respond to it.  Again, if someone was impersonating her, than I apologize deeply for what happened.  The admins should look into how that happened and see if there is any way of preventing members from being able to do that in the future, or at least delete the offending member's other accounts on OH, if any.

    As to supposedly preferential treatment, I do have friends that PM me (or the admins) when they see abuse of me on forums like the R & R, which I don't even visit, other than a couple of times in the past in self-defense (I'll be posting this post to that thread there, as well, btw).  I appreciate ya'll bringing this thread on R & R to my attention.  R & R is, IMHO, counterproductive and antithetical to the whole mission of OH which is to support, guide, and comfort each other in our adventures with MO.  OH should, in my opinion, aboli**** as it has caused a lot of sore feelings and breakups of friendships of OH members in the past, and even that of some staff members, as we have all seen before    

I appreciate ya'll bringing this thread on R & R to my attention.  R & R is, IMHO, counterproductive and antithetical to the whole mission of OH which is to support, guide, and comfort each other in our adventures with MO.  OH should, in my opinion, aboli**** as it has caused a lot of sore feelings and breakups of friendships of OH members in the past, and even that of some staff members, as we have all seen before Reeeeeaaaaallly now .... are you sure that your motive for it's elimination had nothing to do with those broads tearing you a new asshole over there  
(deactivated member)
on 7/6/08 1:03 pm - Aubrey, TX
On July 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM Pacific Time, AttyDallas wrote:

 Cross-posted from the DS Forum:  * * * * * * Before you guys jump me, why didn't you try ASKING me in PM about that PM?

  FYI,  I sent that PM in response to a hateful and harrassive PM she sent ME, out of the blue ..   I had saved it in case I needed to show it to defend myself , but it got auto-deleted by my computer when I didn't access it for several days.  

   The original PM I received was sent by "Patty", but with a pair of little hearts before and after her username (not sure how she was able to do that, btw) ..  In it she called me a "pendejo" ("*******" in Spanish) and a few other choice inflammatory things   --   something about my must being a "wrinkled old man" and some other things specifically mentioned  that shows she has been reading some of my older posts.  It seemed like she was upset, or at least acted like it in her post, over my earlier controversial post on the main forum in which I was asking for people's thoughts on interracial relationships today and if and how they have changed in their area, if at all  .. 

    When I tried to respond to Patty's post, I found she had discontinued the username/account  (I wouldn't' be surprised if she just created it to send the PM) ..  Foolishly though, she used her first name and included a photograph of her (and her husband?) in her avatar.  Bound and determined to find out who this person was that sent it to me, I did a recent member search and found the current Patty's username with the same pic on it as on the <3 Patty <3's username, so I knew it had to be her.   I therefore sent that PM to her (note that I used some Spanish in it, b/c she apparently speaks it).  

     I admit my response was a kneejerk reaction, but the PM from her was so hateful and childish that's how I reacted to it.   It's human nature, unfortunately.  (something called "the Pendulum Effect" in interpersonal communications, btw).

    And, yes, I have been admonished by the admin as to the sending of the PM, and as I told the admin I should have just reported  Patty's original PM to me to them, and not fired off a responsive one back to her that was equally vicious (or at least intended to be).    But again, I was so hot and bothered at the time I read it that it just happened.

   Now, if the current Patty is NOT <3 Patty <3.  let her assert that matter and, if she's not, I do apologize to her.  However, I don't see how or why someone would send me a PM like that and go through the trouble of making it look like it came from the present Patty, or how they were able to put her avatar pic on their avatar, for that matter.  The present Patty did send me a responsive PM asking me why I had sent that PM to her, but I took that as her just acting "innocent' and did not respond to it.  Again, if someone was impersonating her, than I apologize deeply for what happened.  The admins should look into how that happened and see if there is any way of preventing members from being able to do that in the future, or at least delete the offending member's other accounts on OH, if any.

    As to supposedly preferential treatment, I do have friends that PM me (or the admins) when they see abuse of me on forums like the R & R, which I don't even visit, other than a couple of times in the past in self-defense (I'll be posting this post to that thread there, as well, btw).  I appreciate ya'll bringing this thread on R & R to my attention.  R & R is, IMHO, counterproductive and antithetical to the whole mission of OH which is to support, guide, and comfort each other in our adventures with MO.  OH should, in my opinion, aboli**** as it has caused a lot of sore feelings and breakups of friendships of OH members in the past, and even that of some staff members, as we have all seen before    

Paul,

I received a PM from "PATTY", and she wanted me to post this to you.

"Snce he has me blocked, I understand he will not see anything I post.  If you don't mind letting him know that I "the current Patty" absolutely did not send him a PM.  I've never heard of him before, I don't speak Spanish and I didn't see his interracial relationship post.  And I was very hurt by his message.  Maybe next time he should be positive before sending such a message.

Thanks again.  I got a lot of support from many people today and truly appreciate everyone that has contacted me." 

AttyDallas
on 7/7/08 3:08 pm - Garland, TX
Mikey, thanks for passing that on.  I was going to send her a PM to see if she would verify that she was in fact not the Patty that sent the original PM to me, and, if so, I would believe her and would sincerely apologize to her for sending my mean response post to her.  I assumed she had me blocked, as the admins had recommended to her she do, so I didn't try.  Now that I have read what you forwarded from her I do believe her.  I will unblock her and ask that you please let her know that I do believe her, I deeply apologize for my earlier post  sent to her, and should have responded to the PM she sent me asking me why I had sent my "bad" post to her before now.    Again, I have no idea now who that "Patty" was, or why she used the "real" Patty''s avatar pic as her own, and I have asked OH to investigate.   Obviously, I would have no motivation or desire to send a PM like that to someone I didn't even know, out of the blue and, as another member of the MF has pointed out, it looked like a post that was sent in response to a provocation (note I say "La Encuentro" = "I have found you" in it, meaning by doing a member search I thought I had found the original PMer's true username, as I explained earlier.  I have also found out since yesterday that it does not require Powertools or a hacking program to add the little hearts to the username, they only have to be copied and pasted from Windows. so apparently it would have been easy for any OH member to have created that username/account.
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John Hoffmann
on 7/6/08 11:57 am - Baltimore, MD
Kinda got mixed feelings on this one guys.  I can kinda understand getting pissed and saying something out of context to someone.  I've told more than one person on this site to go **** themselves and/or made a less than P.C. personal comment against someone in a public forum.  Unfortunately, the first part of "Atty Dallas's" (WTF is an Atty Dallas anyway) rubbed alot of us the wrong way.  I, fortunately, and not a RNY failure and dont plan on becoming that way.  However, I really feel for those who have failed.  RNY or DS, any one of us is subject to failure, and no one on this site should ever be hit below the belt that way regardless of the reason,  Sure, make fun of one's teeth if ya want, just think of all the others *****ly on this site for information and support before you make a crack about failure. John
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