New Research!! VSG Failure Rate as high as 37%

bookfaerie
on 9/12/10 3:29 am
 This isn't a study per se, but a review of current literature. Medical information evolves as we learn more. But, I didn't post it to convince anyone of anything. I posted it because it's new and I'm going under the assumption that most people who have the surgery, who are thinking about the surgery, or who have had other surgeries and were wondering if they should have considered this, hadn't read it. 
If it isn't of value to you, it isn't of value to you. I hope it winds up being of value to someone else. 
liveinphx
on 9/12/10 5:49 am - Phoenix, AZ
On September 12, 2010 at 10:29 AM Pacific Time, bookfaerie wrote:
 This isn't a study per se, but a review of current literature. Medical information evolves as we learn more. But, I didn't post it to convince anyone of anything. I posted it because it's new and I'm going under the assumption that most people who have the surgery, who are thinking about the surgery, or who have had other surgeries and were wondering if they should have considered this, hadn't read it. 
If it isn't of value to you, it isn't of value to you. I hope it winds up being of value to someone else. 

A couple of important things to point out here so they do not get overlooked
1) The author of the article says he would recommend the sleeve for his family/friends seeking WLS
2) The author talks repeatedly about the "paucity of studies" and the range of "success" out there.
OK that is my points about the studies
My points about the poster (and I may be totally wrong about this)
1) she says she does not want to start a surgery war but posted this on a least 3 boards
2) Appears to have posted this after being dared by at least 3 DS'ers
3) Posts on the DS board the superiority of the DS over the Sleeve but talks of having the sleeve if she can't get the DS
My point about my sleeve "failure"
I had my sleeve done June 2008
I lost 135 lbs in 10 mos
I have maintained that loss for the past 15 mos easily
I do not count calories or eat low fat
I am mindful of carbs and generally eat 100 gms of protein and 100 gms of carbs daily
I have become and avid hiker and hike almost daily
I am 54 years old
If that is failure I am happy being a failure as well as a loser

Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
southernlady5464
on 9/12/10 6:19 am
My point about my sleeve "failure"
I had my sleeve done June 2008
I lost 135 lbs in 10 mos
I have maintained that loss for the past 15 mos easily
I do not count calories or eat low fat
I am mindful of carbs and generally eat 100 gms of protein and 100 gms of carbs daily
I have become and avid hiker and hike almost daily


Like everything, that is your experience.

However, studies are made up of many people's experience. And you usually end up with a bell curve. The median is always in the middle with half the people above the curve and half below the curve.

That would mean that while many people have a great experience, many do not. IF I did not have diabetes, I would be wanting a VSG myself. As it is the most normal of all WLS there is. Esp for those of us who have less than 100# to lose.

Yes, she is a DS'er...but ask yourself and BE HONEST: would you be this defensive if a VSG'er had posted this? Or someone from the Lapband board? Or a RNY'er? What surgery someone has should not play into posting information on other surgeries. Or don't we want to educate EVERYONE about all the surgeries? 

Liz



Duodenal Switch (Lap) 01-24-11 | Surgeon: Stephen Boyce | High weight: 250 in 2002 | Surgery weight: 203 | Lowest weight: 121 | Current weight: 135 | Goal weight: 135






   

WASaBubbleButt
on 9/12/10 6:39 am - Mexico
On September 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM Pacific Time, southernlady5464 wrote:
My point about my sleeve "failure"
I had my sleeve done June 2008
I lost 135 lbs in 10 mos
I have maintained that loss for the past 15 mos easily
I do not count calories or eat low fat
I am mindful of carbs and generally eat 100 gms of protein and 100 gms of carbs daily
I have become and avid hiker and hike almost daily


Like everything, that is your experience.

However, studies are made up of many people's experience. And you usually end up with a bell curve. The median is always in the middle with half the people above the curve and half below the curve.

That would mean that while many people have a great experience, many do not. IF I did not have diabetes, I would be wanting a VSG myself. As it is the most normal of all WLS there is. Esp for those of us who have less than 100# to lose.

Yes, she is a DS'er...but ask yourself and BE HONEST: would you be this defensive if a VSG'er had posted this? Or someone from the Lapband board? Or a RNY'er? What surgery someone has should not play into posting information on other surgeries. Or don't we want to educate EVERYONE about all the surgeries? 

Liz



 
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I thought it was silly before i knew she was a DSer.


Previously Midwesterngirl

The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.

See  my blog for newbies: 
http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
liveinphx
on 9/12/10 7:44 am - Phoenix, AZ
1) Actually I am not certain she is a DS'er since she at times says she is getting the DS others says she will get the sleeve is she does not get the DS
2) I understand that my experience may be different from what others experience just like not all DS folks have issues with white flour, starchy foods causing unpleasant things such as gas, loose stools, need for air freshners etc.
3) She posted this on at least 3 boards and from what appears to have been DARES from DS folks and then appeared to be surprised that folks challanged her.
Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
southernlady5464
on 9/12/10 7:51 am
Actually her post time ON the DS board was after her post time on the VSG board but no one has bothered to compare those. All they saw were the reponses to her DS post.

Liz

Duodenal Switch (Lap) 01-24-11 | Surgeon: Stephen Boyce | High weight: 250 in 2002 | Surgery weight: 203 | Lowest weight: 121 | Current weight: 135 | Goal weight: 135






   

liveinphx
on 9/12/10 8:07 am - Phoenix, AZ
On September 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM Pacific Time, southernlady5464 wrote:
Actually her post time ON the DS board was after her post time on the VSG board but no one has bothered to compare those. All they saw were the reponses to her DS post.

Liz
WRONG but nice try
The original post on the DS board was 1:49 AM
on the main board 1:59 AM
and on the VSG board 9:55 AM
I did "bother to compare these"
I can also go back and look at the times where was "dared" by DS'ers to post the study on the VSG board but I am almost certain THAT was before she posted there too.
Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
southernlady5464
on 9/12/10 8:24 am
Post date and time: 

Duodenal Switch (Lap) 01-24-11 | Surgeon: Stephen Boyce | High weight: 250 in 2002 | Surgery weight: 203 | Lowest weight: 121 | Current weight: 135 | Goal weight: 135






   

liveinphx
on 9/12/10 8:41 am - Phoenix, AZ
On September 12, 2010 at 3:24 PM Pacific Time, southernlady5464 wrote:
Post date and time: 

WRONG AGAIN
The dare was for her to post it on the VSG board
Post Date: 9/12/10 7:26 am

Thank you for sharing this article. Great read. Once again, it makes me so glad I chose the DS. I really struggled for quite a while, thinking all I needed was the restriction. And even now, sometimes I get frustrated that I need to avoid certain things because of the after-effects. But it's a small price to pay for the benefits of my DS.

Dare ya to post this on the VSG board.
At least 2 hours before the post on the VSG board.
Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
WASaBubbleButt
on 9/12/10 11:25 am - Mexico
On September 12, 2010 at 2:51 PM Pacific Time, southernlady5464 wrote:
Actually her post time ON the DS board was after her post time on the VSG board but no one has bothered to compare those. All they saw were the reponses to her DS post.

Liz
 
I didn't check because I didn't care.  I didn't know if she was a pre op, post op, DSer, or boogyman.  Didn't know and didn't care.  It had nothing in the world to do with posting a study that is based on a technique not used anymore.


Previously Midwesterngirl

The band got me to goal, the sleeve will keep me there.

See  my blog for newbies: 
http://wasabubblebutt.blogspot.com/
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