Vitamins - Basic Regimen Plan

SWEET Tink
on 6/25/07 11:26 am, edited 6/25/07 11:26 am
Amber ,  Keep in mind that each surgeon has their own vitamin protocol . This is the one I personally use .  I hope this helps you . Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions .  Take care ,  Natalie 

Vitamin Regimen - BASIC plan

(Add to this based on your particular lab work)

 

30g of protein supplement made in water, 3 to 6 times per day, no milk, no sugar.

AND 64 oz of water - minimum

This vitamin schedule is just a suggestion. You can take them any way you wish as long as you follow the rules listed below. Since the rules can be complicated, many people wanted a good place to start. That is why this schedule was created.

I find it a good idea to put the vitamins all out in a pill case for the week. Then I can see what I have taken, or if I have missed something. My pill case has sections for 7 days.... 4 sections for each day...

AM:

2 iron (25 mg each) Ferrous FUMERATE, Carbonyl iron, or elemental iron

Vitamin C (1000mg) ascorbic acid with rosehips

Mid-day:

Calcium CITRATE (500mg) with Vit D and MAgnesium (250mg)

Vitamin E (400IU E a-alpha tocopheryl sucinate)

1 multi-vitamin

Evening:

Calcium CITRATE (500mg) with Vitamin D and Magnesium (250mg)

Zinc (50mg zinc gluconate, chelated)

1 Vitamin A&D (10,000 IU Vitamin A & 400 IU Vitamin D3)

Bedtime:

Calcium CITRATE (500mg) with Vitamin D and Magnesium (250mg)

1 multi-vitamin

1 sublingual B-12 daily (cobalamin concentrate)

or monthly B-12 injection

B Complex tabs daily, are also suggested, especially for energy.

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* multi-vitamins: (equal to Centrum)

vitamin A 5000 IU, 25% as beta-carotene, vitamin C 120mg, vitamin D 400IU, vitamin E 60IU, thiamin (B1) 1.5mg, Riboflavin (B2) 1.7mg, Niacin (B3) 20mg, Riboflavin (B6) 2mg, Folate (folic acid) 400mcg, B12 6mcg, biotin 30 mcg, pantothenic acid 10mcg, calcium 162mg, iron 18mg (ferrous fumarate), phosphorus 100mg, iodine 150mg, magnesium 100mg, zinc 22.5mg, copper 3mg, selenium 45mcg, manganese 2.5mg, chromium 120mcg, molybdenum 75mcg, chloride 72mg, potassium 80mg, silicon 2mg, boron 150mcg, tin 10mcg, vanadium 10mcg, nickel 5mcg, lutein 275mcg

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Some rules for vitamin supplements:

IRON.............

Take iron (ferrous FUMERATE only, NOT ferrous SULFATE!)

Iron is NOT a friendly vitamin. Take iron ALONE, NOT with other meds, juice, dairy products, calcium, etc....ALONE (ok with Vitamin C only), or it will be useless. We have a VERY hard time absorbing iron, so this is very important!

CALCIUM..........

Take Calcium CITRATE, NOT Calcium Carbonate. Not Tums (This is carbonate). We do not absorb the carbonate! There are some other types we do absorb one is elemental calcium. Remember.... do not take it with iron. Calcium also needs Vitamin D and Magnesium to work. If your calcium does not have these in the tablet, then you must add Magnesium and more Vitamin D also.

Multi-vitamins.…....

You should use a multi vitamin that is equivalent to Centrum (See above for a description*). You will need to take 2 of these instead of 1 as we only absorb about 50% at most.

Vitamins A, D, E and zinc and C (and any others you may add)..…....

Use only dry tablets....we do not absorb anything in an oil type gel cap, or ones that are enteric coated, or time-release versions.

B-12 injections.... you can get a prescription from your primary doctor for a vial of B-12 that will give you about 30 injections. The B-12 is quite inexpensive. I paid under $4 for the vial, and that was regular price (less than my co pay would have been.)

If you don't like injections, you can use the B-12 sublingual. They melt under your tongue like nitroglycerin tabs for heart patients. You can get them many places, including GNC stores. If you choose the sublingual, you will need to take them daily, whereas the injections are monthly.

Remember, these are the BASICS. If your lab work shows drops in any areas, then these amounts will have to be adjusted.

Some additions...

Problems with hair loss or brittle nails.... add Biotin

Problems absorbing Calcium...add Boron

Problems absorbing iron.........add Copper

 

LAB TESTS

Regularly - for gastric bypass patients*

*Keep track of any levels, which are declining from one set of tests to the next, even if not yet in the low range. Make any corrections necessary in your diet before the levels get too low.

* In addition, it is recommended that you get a yearly Dexa bone scan because of the heightened possibility of osteoporosis after gastric bypass surgery.

COMPREHENSIVE METABOLIC PROFILE (sodium, potassium, chloride, glucose, BUN, creatinine, calcium, total protein, albumin, total bilirubin,alkaline phosphatase, aspartate aminotransferase)

(Nc, K, C1, CO2, Glu, BUN, Cr, Ca, TP, Alb, Tbili, AP, AST, ALT)

LIPID PROFILE (cholesterol, HDL, LDL, triglycerides, chol/HDL ratio)

(Fasting specimen), Tchol,Trig,HDL,Calc,LDL)

ALT (SPGT)

GGT

LDH

PHOSPHORUS – INORGANIC

URIC ACID

CBC (HEMOGRAM/PLT/DIFF)

B-12 & FOLATE

IRON, TIBC, % SAT

FERRITIN

VITAMIN A & D (25-hydroxy)

Diagnosis: 579.3 post-surgical malabsorption

269.2 hypovitaminosis

244.9 hypothyroidism

579.3 short bowel syndrome

268 vitamin D deficiency

268.2 metabolic bone disease

250.0

401.9

 

THYROID PANEL (T3U, T4, FTI, TSH)

ZINC

MAGNESIUM

SERUM INTACT PTH

PARATHYROID

Vitamins: Sources, Amounts and Important Issues The Food and Nutrition Board of the National Academy of Sciences is the governing body in charge of setting the minimum vitamin levels in order to prevent deficiencies in healthy adults also known as the RDA (recommended daily amounts). We now know that vitamins are important for maintaining health and preventing disease. No one knows what the RDA is for a gastric bypass patient due to altered anatomy and a low calorie post-operative diet. We have seen vitamin deficiencies before surgery despite adequate calorie intake but likely due to poor eating habits. For bypass patients, in order to maintain good nutritional status, we have learned from measuring blood levels that a vitamin supplement that exceeds the RDA can provide adequate serum levels. Vitamin A Vitamin A is a fat-soluble vitamin also known as retinol (fat soluble-animal source) and beta-carotene (water soluble-plant source). It functions in the body; to aid in tissue growth and repair; to improve and maintain normal vision, to maintain healthy skin and mucous membranes, and to fight against infection and boost immunity. If you are deficient in vitamin A possible symptoms could include night blindness, skin type eczema, weight loss, poor bone growth and diarrhea. Toxicity is rare, but if taken in excess, you could experience headaches, hair loss and have anorexia. Common food sources of vitamin A: cod liver oil, beef, liver, eggs, any dark green, red, or orange vegetables like sweet potatoes, pumpkins, broccoli and apricots. For Bypass Patients it is Important to Know Alcohol can decrease vitamin A stores. Drugs that affect the liver such as steroids and Dilantin may affect vitamin A stores. Low vitamin A levels when protein intake is low can correlate with poor nutritional status. Vitamin A stores can be maintained within normal limits if a vitamin supplement is taken. Some deficiencies have been seen if there are excessive fatty stools or te vitamins aren’t taken. Vitamin A levels can decrease transiently after an operation but return to normal after recovery and supplementation. Vitamin A can be lost from foods during cooking, preparation and storage. Olestra can lower vitamin A levels due to fat malabsorption.

Vitamin B-1 (Thiamin)

Needed for: Normal function of the heart, nerves, muscle tissue and digestive system; aids in carbohydrate metabolism and energy production. Their function include maintaining normal function of the central nervous system, muscles and heart, promoting normal growth and development, and is a co-factor in carbohydrate metabolism (by releasing energy). If you are deficient in vitamin B1, you may experience visual changes, an unsteady gait, a loss of appetite, have fatigue or nausea and perhaps some mental confusion. Ingestion of high amounts of thiamine may cause drowsiness. Common food sources of B1 are liver, beans (like navy and black eye peas), peanuts, raisins and whole grain products.

For Bypass Patients it is Important to Know Supplementation is suggested since the post-operative diet is low in calories. Antibiotics and oral contraceptive agents can decrease B1 levels. Avoid over cooking meals, since B1 can be destroyed by heat. Excess alcohol increases risk for B1 deficiency. Large amounts of raw fish and shellfish can increase your risk for a B1 deficiency. Eating an excess amount of refined carbohydrates and not taking your vitamin can potentially lead to a sub-therapeutic level of B1 and produce deficiency symptoms.

Vitamin B-2 (Riboflavin)

Needed for: Energy production, immune system function, healthy skin.

Vitamin B-3 (Niacin)

Needed for: Energy production, healthy skin, and digestive system function. The body can manufacture niacin from the amino acid tryptophan.

 

Vitamin B6 (Pyrodoxine)

Needed for: Energy production, red blood cell formation, immunity, nervous system and hormone function.

Vitamin B-12

Needed for: Energy production, red blood cell production, utilization of folic acid, nervous system function. Vitamin B12 is also known as cobalamin. Cyanocobalamin is the synthetic form. B12 has many functions with the most important being the nerve function. B12 and folate are metabolically interrelated. B12 converts folate to an active form. B12 is responsible for the manufacturing and normal functioning of red blood cells. It also helps metabolize carbohydrates and fats and synthesize proteins. B12 binds to Intrinsic factor, produced in the stomach. This no longer happens in the pouch, which is left after gastric bypass, causing B-12 deficiency in many patients. Deficiency symptoms can be manifested as anemia, nerve damage, fatigue, dementia and even coronary artery disease. There have been no reported toxic effects with high does of B12. Vitamin B12 for Bypass Patients Heat and moisture may change the action of the vitamin. Store in a cool dry place. High intake of vitamin B6 reduces B12 absorption. Smoking decreases vitamin B12 metabolism. For improved absorption, take B12 one hour before meals. Colchicine reduces absorption of B12.

 

Folic Acid

Needed for: Energy production, red blood cell formation and growth. This is essential for prevention of certain birth defects.

Pantothenic Acid

Needed for: Carbohydrate, fat, energy and protein metabolism.

Biotin

Needed for: Energy production, fatty acid synthesis and the breakdown of certain amino acids.

Vitamin C (Ascorbid Acid) Needed for: Normal growth, wound healing, disease and infection resistance, bone and teeth formation, more efficient iron absorption. The best and most common sources of vitamin C are fruits and vegetables. Vitamin C is a water-soluble vitamin, that is important if formation of collagen (a protein that gives structure to bones, cartilage, and muscle). It maintains the capillaries and aids in the absorption of iron. Vitamin C is a known antioxidant that prevents cell damage. Eating a variety of fruits and vegetables ensures appropriate intake of the vitamin. If you are deficient in vitamin C, you may experience muscle weakness, loss of teeth, easy bruising, nosebleeds and frequent infections. Vitamin C assists in calcium absorption and can increase iron absorption. Smoking increases requirements for vitamin C.

Vitamin D

Needed for: Normal growth; healthy bones, teeth and nails; proper absorption of calcium and phosphorus.

Vitamin E (tocopherol)

Needed for: Cell membrane integrity and protection.

 

Folate Folate and Folic Acid are interchangeable terms. Folic acid is the synthetic form of folate, which is found naturally in some foods. Folate is primarily known for preventing neural tube defects, a form of spinal cord deformity in newborns, preventable by taking folate. Folate is essential for the synthesis of RNA and DNA, the genetic material of cells. It plays a vital role in growth and development of cells. Folic acid is necessary for aiding in protein metabolism. It also may be protective against heart disease by lowering homocysteine levels. Folic acid is absorbed from the small intestine.

Of all vitamins, a folate deficiency is most common due to a diet poor in vegetables, primarily dark green leafy vegetables, increased alcohol consumption, and also contributing is folate-increased sensitivity to heat and light. Symptoms of folate deficiency include loss of appetite, inflamed tongue and diarrhea. A folate acid deficiency can damage the lining of the gut and lead to further malnutrition.

Folate for Bypass Patients NSAIDS (Motrin, Advil and Aleve) and anticonvulsants elevate folate requirements. Excess alcohol intake can lead to a deficiency. Of vitamins are not taken daily and increased risks for a deficiency exists. Taking additional B vitamins in a daily supplement form rather than through food only ensures proper micronutrient nutritional status. If you are of childbearing age, please take a folic acid supplement to prevent neutral tube defect. Prenatal vitamins contain twice the RDA for folate.

Vitamin K

Needed for: Production of proteins required for normal blood clotting.

 

Note: In addition to their other roles, vitamins C, E and beta-carotene (which the body converts into vitamin A) are known as "antioxidants." Certain minerals and other substances also act as antioxidants. Antioxidants can offset the damage caused by free radicals, the unstable, highly reactive molecules formed during the metabolism of glucose and fatty acids to provide energy. Free radicals are also produced in the body by pollutants, ultraviolet light from the sun and drinking alcohol. Free radicals react with and damage many components of tissues, including cellular DNA, or genetic material. Damage from free radicals may lead to conditions such as cataracts, cancer, heart disease and even aging.

Minerals

The minerals we need in our body are those found in rocks, metals, soil and water, though they may be in slightly different forms. While each mineral plays a unique role, collectively they support the body's enzyme systems and keep blood and other body fluids balanced and healthy. Minerals, the major components of bones, also help regulate blood pressure and heart muscle contraction, heal wounds and conduct nerve impulses. The minerals needed in relatively large amounts are: calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, sodium, potassium, chloride and sulfur. Other minerals needed in smaller amounts, called "trace elements," consist of iron, copper, fluorine, iodine, selenium, zinc, chromium, cobalt, manganese and molybdenum. Although the body can't produce any minerals of its own, minerals are found in a large variety of fruits, vegetables, beans and grains.

Calcium

Needed for: Healthy bones, nails, muscle tissue; assists in blood clotting and heart and nerve functions.

Chromium

Needed for: Normal release of energy from glucose.

Copper

Needed for: Enzyme reactions, iron metabolism

Fluoride

Needed for: Healthy bones and teeth those are resistant to decay.

Iodine

Needed for: Regulation of body temperature, thyroid hormone synthesis, metabolic rate, reproduction, growth and nerve and muscle function.

Iron

Needed for: Formation of healthy red blood cells and prevention of anemia; helps carry oxygen to cells. The recommended iron intake is higher for women between the ages of 11 and 50 to compensate for iron loss during menstruation.

Magnesium

Needed for: Energy production, normal heart and nerve function and prevention of muscle cramps

Phosphorus

Needed for: Growth; maintain bone density; assists in energy production; and regulates blood chemistry

Potassium

Needed for: Regulation and balance of body fluids, promotes normal heart rhythm; prevents muscle cramping

Selenium

Needed for: Antioxidant properties protect vitamin E and polyunsaturated fats in the body

Sodium

Needed for: Regulation of body fluids and maintenance of acid-base balance; aids in nerve transmission and muscle contraction

Zinc

Needed for: Normal appetite and taste, wound healing, healthy skin and normal growth

The Bottom Line: Vitamin and mineral supplementation is a life long commitment for gastric bypass patients. Knowledge is your best armor. Eating a balanced diet and taking your supplements provides the best route to fulfilling your nutritional requirements.

Did you know that dietary supplements are taken by more than half of the USA adult population? Sales are going up but which supplements are best and more importantly, are they safe for us to take? The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) regulates the advertising of supplements. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has set up DSHA or Dietary Supplements Health and Education Act along with the National Institute of Health (NIH) a framework for supplement regulation and research. Additionally, there is an independently appointed commission who provides reports for the claims for the use of supplements (i.e. vitamins, minerals, herbs, etc.). Dietary supplements have to meet certain criteria. Since March of 1999, manufacturers are required to provide an informative dietary supplement panel on the label, which indicates the following information.

· A statement of identity (i.e. Vitamin C

· Net quantity of contents (i.e. 90 tablets)

· Structure-function claim like "Calcium builds strong bones" and the statement "This statement has been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease."

· Directions for use

· Supplement fact panel (lists serving size, amount and active ingredients)

· Other ingredients in order of predominance

· Name and place of business of manufacturer, packer or distributor along with the address to write for more product information

What are vitamins? Vitamins are nutrients that are essential for maintenance of normal metabolic functions. Vitamins are supplements both synthetic and natural and come in many forms. The water-soluble vitamins are Thiamine (B1), Riboflavin (B2), Niacin (B3), Panethanic Acid (B5), Pyridoxine (B6), Biotin, Cobalamin (B12), Folic Acid, and ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). The fat-soluble vitamins are vitamin A, D, E and K. The water-soluble vitamins are not significantly stored by the body and need to be replaced daily by food or supplement to maintain adequate levels. These vitamins can be rapidly depleted in conditions interfering with intake or absorption. The fat-soluble vitamins are better stored in the body, and if not excreted, toxic levels could occur. For the gastric bypass patient, who malabsorbs fat, fat-soluble vitamins cannot be digested properly, and are excreted without doing their job. Vitamins in dry form only are therefore suggested. If your vitamins are in an oil base, they are doing you no good.

 

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Sporty Jill
on 6/25/07 11:39 am - Norfolk, VA
Nat- Good stuff.  Question:  Since Syntrax is no longer making Tealicious, I had to change my evening protein drink to a protein shake made with miceallar milk (reg milk upsets my tummy and I do not like chocolate shake made with water). I've tried Roadside Lemonaide, Twisted Cherry, Tea w/ Lemon, Carribean Cooler and Fuzzy Naval.  Fuzzy Naval is the only one tolerable. Any other suggestions?  Sometimes the shake is a bit much int he evening.  i drink it, but it's sometimes too much. Thanks!

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SWEET Tink
on 6/25/07 12:32 pm
Have you tried the ACheive One Drinks  ? They taste sort of like cofee . They come in a variety of flavors  . Mocha , Hazel Nut and Cappachino ( Sp ) .  Now , I do the Carribean Cooler . And here is how I do it . I let a 2 liter Orange Drink sit out , loosing as much of the carbination as I can . I mix one and a half scoops or the protein powder , to about a half of cup of water . Then I pour in the orange drink . I swear sometimes it taste like a dream cicle... and is very tolerable . O .. I do pour it all over ice .. as I cannot do these warm or luke warm .. MUST BE COLD .  I had no idea they where doing away with the Tea . I just bought some .. and I just am not able to tolerate it any more .. it leaves such a bad taste ...  So .. If you like Fuzzy Navel .. try mixing it in some type of orange drink .... I would be lost with out my Nectar ..  Nite ,,  Nat

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Sporty Jill
on 6/25/07 9:21 pm - Norfolk, VA
I'll try that.  I HATE the taste of coffe, so the Achive Ones never interested me. Ya, they discontinued the Peach nectar and the Tealicious - both from the Nectar Naturals line.  Which is too bad, because alot of people liked the Tealicious over the Tea with lemon. I have searched high and low and no one has it in stock.  So, it's really gone. protein Delite is also revamping some of their products, so they are becoming harder to get, too. It stinks, as these were my staples, but, I still get 135+ grams of protein in each day with my meals, 2 protein shakes and miceallar milk (my new best friend- haha).

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Soldierswife44
on 6/25/07 2:19 pm - Ft Eustis, VA
This is very helpful to me. Of course every doctor has a difference here and there but I interested in learning about this stuff asap so thanks for posting it!
Amber B.
on 6/25/07 11:40 pm - Virginia Beach, VA
Thanks, Nat :) I had this bookmarked on my links up top, but it doesn't go there anymore, I guess they deleted it. I'm glad you posted it again, its very helpful in the vitamin department. I love knowing how they work or don't work together and what it affects. Do you know what the average fat gram intake of the day should be? I think for a normal 2000 calorie diet for the normies its around 60 fat grams. So I made mine 30. I just want to know if that's on target or not? How about Sodium, I forget the the number is that you shouldn't go over? I have to go back and read if there was a number on Potassium intake. Now, I'm just babbling! Thanks again, Nat. You're a keeper!!!

~Amber
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SWEET Tink
on 6/25/07 11:46 pm
Your fat grams should never go over 4 % with each meal . Carbs for your right now should be at about 30 ... this is good and bad carbs . Some will flame me and say you can do 100 .. but I am telling you , if you want your body to shed the fat ... you gotta be willing to burn what you have .. Keep in mind you must have some carbs .. as this will complete the protein and amino exchange .. For instance .. if you eat a piece of meat ... or fish .. you really need a good carb to round out the exchange .. you could add coliflouer ... or carrots ... or beans ..  Sodium .. I try to not go over 1500 mg a day . Sodium is hard to maintain .. as most of our foods re loaded with it ...  As for Potassium , I suppliment this in my multi vitamin .. and I think it is like 99 mg. Not sure .. will look into that one .  AS for my vitamins I take .. I LOVE !!! my NUtrilife Vitamins . They come straight from the ground to pill form in 7 days .. and they have every veggie you can possibly imagine in them ... While I was in the hospital .. I had there brand of multi .. did nothing for me . Once I got home and started taking my NUtrilifes.... I sprung back to life .. I swear this stuff works ...  Hope this helps ..  Nat

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Amber B.
on 6/25/07 11:56 pm - Virginia Beach, VA
I'll have to check into that fat gram business, that way I can keep that under control. I think I do farely well with sodium, I'm not a big fan of it. I think the worst comes from my peanuts when I have them. The carbs will be the death of me. I thought keeping them under 100 was good for me. 30? Holy granola bars, that would be tough. I might be able to do that every other week but I don't see how I could do that on a regular basis. I just couldn't eat fruit at all and that's such a huge part of my daily eating habit. Wheew! I really appreciate all your help and honesty! It's great to hear different perspectives and I hope no one chooses to flame you over it. All of our doctors are different. Some drink soda, some don't, etc. I like the diversity and the bottom line is that we are all adults and we all make our own decisions. I don't come on here and let one person's advice rule my world. That's why I ask questions, research, look at the majority, talk with my doc's and make my decision. Have a great day!

~Amber
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