Pre Op Rant I guess

Do you think coming on strong will help? Granted we have worked hard at loosing weight but does it give us the right to blast those who give their opinion even if they don't know about all the ins and outs of surgery and what they will go through. If this lady ever comes back to this forum it will surprise me. No one is perfect because life is not perfect,how I wi**** was then we would not need these kinds of surgery. I hear in her post that she is worried that she will gain back after all or most of her weight after surgery and her support system doesn't sound like it is up to par. So she wandered over to this board, big deal I for one am not offended by her or for our forum. This is still America and we can still voice our opinions. Take care,

Ditto Deb. I think Scotts blast was out of line...I am 3yrs post op and have had my own journey, right or wrong. But for him to fire both barrels was not called for and if I may say, Not all of us grads are quite so harsh. Pre ops, please feel free to lean on us.   I am so grateful for the ones that have went b4 me, they have blazed the trail.... Keep fighting the good fight. ITS WORTH IT!

I don't think it was out of line.  I sit here reading many of your threads as you sit there 2 or 3 ....4, 5, etc years out trying to fight of regain with the RNY.  when you are on DS forums (not just the one on OH, and see people 3, 4, or more years out...they rarely are talking about 20 or 40 lb or more regains...but about maintence, and how they may need to diet once a year to take off a pesky 10 lbs....many dont' need to do anything to fight weight regain...and still lose from time to time even at 4 years out.   If you ask me...yes it's the surgery, not the person.  We all struggled with Obesity preop......some surgeries are more of a help then others...which is the reason I had a surgery that had a lot of malabsorbtion because I knew I would need help.  To come on a forum and blast the people who are struggling....who came here out of desperation...because they are embarrassede and need help and have no where else to turn.....is VERY WRONG In my book.   and someone needed to set the record straight....sometimes people get so high up on a horse...the only place for them to go is down. Scott

I never was much good at math, but . . . huh?   If you gain 10 pounds and you had the DS, your weight gain is "pesky," but your surgery's working. If you gain 20-40 pounds or more with the RNY, your weight gain is "regain" and your surgery's failed.  What if you gain 15 pounds with the lapband?  Would that be a Code Yellow or Code Orange?  (Wait , sorry . . . wrong chart.)  

The difference with weight regain with the DS and weight regain with the RNY is that most DSers regain 10 to 20 lbs and stablize at that weight without having to do anything.  It is a normal bounce back...totally expected....with the significant amout of malabsorbtion of the DS, most (the hess study said 95 percent out 10 years) are able to maintain their weight loss without significant dietary restrictions.  The RNY and the Band are different, because they rely heavily on restriction weight regain won't stop...it keeps going unless a person changes their lifestyle eating habits and exercises.....basically a diet for life.  This is why most DSers are eating 3000 to 6000 calories a day and RNYers and banders  are eating 1000 to 3000 a day. Honestly I'm techinically 2 lbs overweight, but my wife asked me to put on 10 to 20 lbs.  She said I am way to boney, and it's not attractive to her.  So right now I'm working on trying to regain a bit of weight.   BTW most medical studies define success with WLS as losing and maintaining a 50 percent loss of your excess weight.  I personally would have considered that a failue in my case, because I was 300 lbs overweight.   If someone loses 100 lbs and regains 50 of them....is that a failure?  I'm not sure...it depends on the person.  We see an aweful lot of banders and RNyers seeking revisions on the DS for such weight regains..mostly because they never lost to goal and are starting to regain.   Scott

Ruth you said:  "So she wandered over to this board, big deal I for one am not offended by her or for our forum. This is still America and we can still voice our opinions." I'm sorry to butt in here...but:....:::butting in here::::: :::Sigh:::: Why would you tell someone that this is America where we have the right to voice our opinions and in the same post say  "Do you think....does it give us the right to blast" and yet your post blasts him?  It's a walking talking contradiction... I understand you feel Scott was being a bully but he has a right to his feelings and to express it without sugar coating them.  Honesty is a virtue to be proud of and if we all thought and felt the same way...nothing worth changing would ever change. Anger is a form of passion as well as is love, and he felt passionate enough about her post, to speak his mind. We all approach our opinions differently...The original poster KNEW she might upset someone and apologized for it.  She doesn't need hand holding.  She was expecting to **** some of us off.  Again, her brutal honesty (although patronizing) was as refreshing to me as Scotts and a few others.  I don't even know Scott, in case you were wondering if I am sticking up for a friend....I'm not...I just want to know that if someone or something upsets me, that I have the freedom to justify and express my hurt feelings in any way I need to here. It takes a lot to **** me off...but heck if I'm going to sugar coat my feelings on something passionate. No way!  Anyway, I for one appreciate everyone's opinions all the time.....negative and positive.  If you think someone should leave only nice posts...for someone with such thin skin, you certainl are set in stone.  It's all about balance...It's the meaning of life.   I just really get passionate about censorship...I can't stand it when people try to censor the way other people express themselves in the name of American Freedom.  It irks me being a veteran and having so many of my friends and family fighting for yours and my freedom to NOT be censored...by people who convolute and contradict their own opinions. Just my two cents... Anita

Thank you for defending my right to speak. Scott

Thank God it is America and you and Scott can voice how you feel,which is a good thing. I am so proud of this board that has reached out and helped so many! No way was I angry at anyone, it's a cruel enough world out there and everyone needs somewhere safe to land. So thanks a lot for adding to this board. God bless.

The OP said : Please stop me if I am wrong but I don't see how regaining can be the fault of the RNY itself? I mean only that it is our mentality that keeps us from eating and eating after surgery and the surgery itself merely is a tool to help us control our portions and aid in malabsorbing certain elements of consumption. I know several people who had the RNY surgery and have been very succesful 3, 4 and 5 years out. I also know a few who continue to eat "junk food" and then complain that they are regaining. You know I think I was being very kind to the OP, and that she was and is out of line.  How dare she come on a graduate forum, to judge the people here,w hen she hasn't even had the RNY.   I didn't have the RNY, I had the DS, which means statistically I am a lot less likely to regain weight, and I would never sit here and judge someone who had the RNY for regaining, because obesity is a disease.  If she is so high and might, then she should diet, and exercise and forget WLS.   I don't think it is out of order to call her on her crap.   You might think I'm being rude or a "bully" but lets face reality, if someone can stand there before surgery and judge someone who has lived with the surgery they are going to have for 3 or 4 years then they get what they deserve.  If she doesn't come back for a bit, good.  This is a graduate forum, there are other places preops can ask questions and get support.  The RNY forum is an excellent place for just such a post, not on a graduate forum that is a meeting place for people with different surgery types to support eachother in maintence and continued weight loss years after their surgery. Scott