Question:
What is too much protein?

I heard that after surgery your body can only absorb 30 grams of protein at a time. I drink the liquid protein drinks in the test tubes from GNC which are 42 to 45 grams of protein. It takes me about 30 to 45 minutes to drink one down, since I also dilute it with water. Am I not getting the full 42 to 45 grams?    — jbwise (posted on December 28, 2008)


December 27, 2008
I use the protein shots as well. I don't dilute them (I prefer to just drink it down fast and get it over with) and then chase it with a little water. But my Nut told me the same thing about my body only absorbing so much at a time...so I just split it. I do half the tube at a time and refridgerate the rest until later in the day. No big deal. My Nut recommended half in the morning and half before bed.
   — suezahn4me

December 27, 2008
At my support groups, I was also cautioned about consuming 25-30 grams of protein per serving. I know of know data that specifically shows this to be a fact, but I currently (at almost 32 months post op) only consume about the same amount per meal or protein supplement. Some of the women in my support groups use those bullets too, but dilute them with water or other SF flavors to make them taste better--and they consume them over a longer period of time, say 2 hours. I personally don't understand your hurry to drink it down that fast? I'd err on the side of caution and consume half the vial at a time, consuming it over an hour or two. DAVE
   — Dave Chambers

December 28, 2008
Thank you for posting this important question! Yes, females can only use 25 grams of protein at any one time. Males can use 30 grams. Several years ago I did 70 to 80 grams in the a.m., taking several hours (grazing!) to get the stuff down. If you consume more, you sabotage your weight loss goals. Excess protein can cause your weight loss to stall, can add weight to your frame, etc. I know from personal experience. Do err on the side of caution: don't graze (take a long time to get your meal in); if female don't consume more than 25 grams per meal; don't count any protein over 25 per meal towards your daily goal; if male, don't consume more than 30 grams per meal; don't count any protein over 30 grams per meal towards your daily goal; keep water and any liquids away from your mouth for 15 to 30 minutes before a meal; keep water and any liquids away from your mouth for 30 minutes minimum after a meal. I think if you figure out the cost of one of those bullets vs. getting protein powder (i.e. Isopure) which you can use at 25 grams per scoop, you will find you are wasting a lot of money. I have heard but have not been able to verify that once liquid is added to the protein powder, it has a limited shelf life. Yes, a young salesman convinced mem to buy one of those bullets. Right after that, at support group meetings in my area, conducted by doctors and nutritionists and other health professionals, we were all informed about limiting our consumption at any one time. When I found out the damage I was personally doing to my own health and body through my own 2 hour grazing to get that excess protein in my system, I did an immediate turn around and my boy became ever so much more healthful. Here is to a peaceful, exciting, and wonderful 2009 for each and every one of us! Blessings. Christine Gibson, MS, MA, OH Coach and WLS Support Group Leader
   — Christine Gibson

December 28, 2008
I have "heard" this too, but like Dave, never saw it at any reputable medical site. However when you think in simple terms of how much protein is in a few ounces of meat, would you want to be drinking more than you could eat??? I wouldn't...But that's me! I prefer to get my protein from natural sources generally. (I do use a powder too and the occassional protein bar for convenience) A 4 oz piece of chicken is approx 23 g's of protein (And I KNOW for a fact that it has all the key animos that some supps may NOT have)...I try to eat only 4 oz of protein per meal.... forever...(sometimes I will eat a little more or less) But WHY would I want to drink the equivalent of almost 8 ounces? I can comfortably eat 80-100 g of protein a day now at 5 years post op..but I did have to supp the first 6 months to a year. This is just me and how I think...Right or wrong, I just think it's odd to drink more than you'd want to eat. Protein is difficult for the body to digest...because it is not stored it must be discarded....and that too can cause problems...Too much protein is not good for you if you are not using it all to replace or maintain muscle mass. While you are losing 5 lbs a week, you are losing 20% muscle...and protein is SOOO important at this time but in healthy ways and doses...but so is drinking plenty of water to help flush out the fat...You can actually drink too much water too and dilute the sodium and electrolyes in your body...It happens with atheltes and babies who drink watered down formula with several bottles a day...My point is there IS too much and there is NOT enough...Find the balance...It's logical when you look to simple solutions such as "if my urine is bright yellow I need more water to make it clear"....If I can't eat 8 ounces of meat, I don't want to drink it either...Common sense...easy! Good luck!
   — .Anita R.

December 28, 2008
I would not dilute the protein. And no you are not getting the full 42 to 45 grams if you dilute them with water. Just drink them as they are no matter how long it takes. I know they taste awful at first but things do get better. vinnigirl
   — vinnigirl

December 28, 2008
First, you can get in sufficient amounts of protein without grazing. Christine's point, although well-intentioned, is purely anecdotal. Secondly, countless studies have been conducted to demonstrate that with increased daily protein intake (assuming carb intake is limited) weight loss is increased. Third, Dave Chambers is right when he explained that no real studies have ever demonstrated what the exact limit is for the amount of protein a body can absorb within a single time frame. Admittedly, it is probably not limitless-- but the key is for you to experiment to determine how much of a protein drink you can consume comfortably and how much you are willing to spend for that convenience. Fourth, my own anecdotal experience here-- during my first 11 months I lost over 250 pounds (my goal was to lose 280) by increasing my protein intake (I was typically able to get in over 80 grams per day). To keep that protein intake high, instead of just water, I would sip broth (admittedly a small amount of protein, but still some protein) or use the Isopure Zero Carb clear drinks. I wouldn't graze, but I would have four small meals (that were protein based) and two small snacks (that were also protein based) every day. It worked, I had no appreciable hair loss and it seemed to prove to me that the body benefits from high protein intake.
   — SteveColarossi

December 29, 2008
I use the bullet's also, My nut told me to take half then wait atlease 2 hours before the other half. If I am on the run or having one to those crazy day's I will do 1/2 at 5am, 1/2 around 9. Then another 1/2 around 1 and the other around 5. I don't always have time to eat properly and I avoid fast food like the plague now (that is how I got fat in the first place) this helps me keep my energy up and then I just nibble on cheese or peanut butter crackers to avoid feeling hungry.
   — phyllismmay

December 29, 2008
I was told by my dietian that the protien in the tubes are mostly collegan protien and it is NOT the protien you are meeding. You want whey protien isolate. The body does not process collegan protien the same way. And you are correct about the body only absorbing up to 30 grams at a time you you are really wasting protien there. 25 grams at a time is sufficient especially when you are eating (drinking) so many small meals in a day.
   — Patience P.




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