Question:
Weight Gain

Hello all. I was two years post op (RNY) on Nov 4th. Starting my journey at 293, with my surgery date weight of 286. I got down as low as 146 by my 1 year anniversary. I am now up to 162 and scared to death of my weight gain. I recently took a job where I am much more sedentary. I have yet to have any refined sugar (do get natural sugars from fruit etc, and do indulge in "sugar free" treats occasionally) and still follow the basics of low carb, high protein and still maintain a vitamin regimen. I was considering joining weight watchers and was wondering if any post RNY women have had any success with WW. Any advice or opinions would be appreciated.    — Karen K. (posted on November 29, 2011)


November 29, 2011
Our time lines are pretty close. I had my rny Sept, "09. Because of certain problems, I spent time in hospitals and a nursing home. In June of '10, I started WW to help keep me grounded.(I had already lost 145 lbs at this point and wanted to lose another 45. Everything we do for our wls needs such as protein, fluids, vitamins,(you know what I'm talking about), I adapt my wls dietary needs to the WW program. I find that it keeps me focused about eating right, getting weighed weekly(if I don't, I tend to overlook alot of things), journal my food intake, weigh and measure, etc) I've been able to lose 50 lbs and go on maintence to help keep me honest. Even though I don't need to, I still get myself weighed every week to keep myself accountalble for what I put in my mouth. It's going to sound weird, WLS got me to this point where I could lose the lbs, WW is helping me stay there. It's just that I do what I need to do to prevent going backwards.
   — Kathleen W.

November 29, 2011
I was 338 and lost down to 175 in 9months following exactly what I was told to do. I started adding fruit and vegtables and then started eating things I should not slider food. We are different after this surgery. I am now 225 so in less then 1 yaer I have gained 50 pounds I have started weight watchers but it is not really a diet for Bariatrics I am stilll looking for help. I have not really food a diet plan set for us other then the 5 day puoch test I am going to try it starting this weekend. It help by checking how your pouch is and getting you back to the way you were after your surgery. I have read that our body now will latch on to carbs and turn them to fat to try to stick to complex carbs. I am going back to what I ate at the beginning of this journey and use my Unjury shakes and protein until I am back to my 175 or as I like to state my size 8. I would like to keep in touch with you to find out what you find out in your search I am even getting books on like after WLS I hope they will help I will try and pass on the information and also let you know how the 5 day pouch test works.
   — Linda McMinoway

November 29, 2011
Thank you, Karen, for sharing this. I am 4.5 years from RNY and have gained 36 pounds. A lot of that is because I don't exercise. Your column and the answers from the above two are encouraging me to get back on track. I have no excuse for not exercising other than laziness.
   — Muggs

November 29, 2011
All your posts is my story. My surgery was January 2005. I weighed 333 lb. and at time of surgery 320 lb. I lost a total of 168 lb. (got down to 165 lb.) but have put on 43 lb. Besides the weight gain, I physically feel lousy. I kept all the documents from the time I had my surgery to when the surgeon retired......from the power points to the eating plans. I have gone back to Phase 4 of my diet right after surgery with the unjury shakes. I am on day 3 and not sure if I have lost any pounds but I do feel better. Phase 4 for me is meats, cheeses, fruit, veggies, dairy (yogart/milk), and the unjury protein shakes; NO breads, pastas, crunchy snacks of any kind. About a year ago I tried the 5 day pouch test and it worked for me but then I fell off the wagon and put myself in the same boat as before. My personal care doctor did recommend weight watchers for me - not the diet but for the meetings and weigh-ins to help keep myself accountable. My daughter did join weight watchers but I found their diet not good for WLS patients........too many carbs and not enough protein. My surgeon retired from practice and I haven't attended any support group meetings. My next step is to find another support group meeting.......we all need someone/something to keep us accountable. It is all about protein (80 - 90 gram), liquids (64 oz.), and the daily vitamins/minerals. good luck to all and God Bless! Janet
   — Janet H.

November 29, 2011
This post helps me. It may sound stupid...but I thought the surgery was the cure-all when I had it. Nobody told me that the food addiction would still be there! I have gained back about 15 lbs. Food addiction is very real!
   — Lezlie S.

November 29, 2011
Log your food in places like Web MD where you can log it and see how many calories, how much protein etc you are getting. It really helps to stay on track. I exercise with Zumba, feed my horses twice a day, and watch what I eat.
   — tfqh99

November 29, 2011
you are everyone....after two or three years everyone starts to regain. Its bound to happen to everyone. I am not sure why and my support group thinks there is a step the clinic is neglecting to learn or educate about. I am a very strict and disciplined person since surgery. i had surgery in june 08..was 237 got down to 115 in 9 months.. and maintained and stayed there until last month...life happened...stopped regular exercise, started eating more often...up to 8 times a day!! i also blame some on time of year and nature wanting to fatten me up. I havent gained an enormous amount..about 8 lbs. but i cant seem to control myself with the stress in my life. I feel like i am failing. My therapist says its self sabatoge and food is comfort..so I am dealing...I know what i have to do to get in control again..its just a matter of motivating myself and getting my butt in gear. I hope you all have success in losing what you have gained,,,go back to a group for support. the most successful people go to a support group.Journal again...SEEing your mistakes may help. Good luck to everone..and God Bless,..hugs,kim
   — gpcmist

November 29, 2011
I am almost 8 years post op. I am to skinny. I was sick for the last 3 years so that may have something to do with it. But I have advocated all along that doing protein shakes will eventually put all your weight back on you. As they were originally made for Body Builders to Bulk up with weight training. When you use it as a source of protein and not weight training your going to gain!!!!!! Go back to the rules. Do the cottage cheese test. Then start eating small six times a day. Small is a half sandwich, Piece cheese, anything that fits in the palm of your hand. Drink lots of water or tea. Stay away from artificial sweeteners such as sweet n low and splenda and equal. Use Truvia or stevia cane. The others are not natural and are bleached they actually restrict weight loss. Get your protein from Dairy and meat, fish, eggs, Not protein shakes! Walk or ride a bike every day! I have never done protein shakes and I haven't gained an oz.
   — Kimberly Ten Kate

November 29, 2011
Another thing. Weigh yourself every day. It keeps you accountable! No soda's they stretch the pouch!
   — Kimberly Ten Kate

November 30, 2011
There are protein shakes for folks who wish to "bulk up" and there are protein shakes for folks who do not wish to "bulk up." Folks who have had RNY-type surgeries need to know the difference and choose accordingly. Folks also need to get educated. The best way is to become a support group leader and support group coach (like I did and do to remain up-to-date on accurate information to properly help folks) and take the courses put on by the great staff at ObesityHelp.com. Cathy Wilson and her staff are here for each one of us: get involved, get trained and truly help with accurate information. Then, and only then, take the will you have the correct information to share with folks. 100% whey protein isolate is the appropriate protein shake for folks who have had RNY-type surgeries. Additionally, folks who have had RNY-type surgeries need to know the useable protein content in ordinary foods: it is called "bioavailability" of foods. Go to my support group website, where these topics are discussed as well as the amount of protein to take for the rest of your/our entire lifetime. You will quickly discover that you eat foods high in protein availability simply to exercise your chewing muscles and rely on 100% whey protein isolate available in such powders as Isopure, Ungury, or Any Whey, for your long-term success rate. Isopure (available at VitaminShoppe.com) now has a flavorless 100% whey protein isolate which is absolutely fantastic: it can be mixed with anything whereas Any Whey or Unjury's flavorless are harder to mix and really turn foods to rubber. Not so with Isopure's plain 100% whey protein isolate. Yes, you can rely on eggs, they have 100% bioavailability, which means that each egg has 6 grams of protein and is 100% useable in our bodies. So, let's do the math: how many eggs must one consume to get a minimum of 100 grams of protein? Well, 10 eggs will give 60 grams, 16 eggs x 6 grams = 96 grams, so that is 43 grams of protein because of our 50% malabsorption rate. This amount is still too low to maintain our skeletal and muscular structure, so we "eat" away at our bones and muscles, all the while thinking we are feeling great and the years pass by as we continue to delude ourselves about our true health. Besides that, has anyone actually tried to eat 16 eggs in one day? For years and years, I've always strived to have a minimum of 100 grams of 100% whey protein isolate daily, relying on "chewing" protein foods (turkey or chicken because my body doesn't do well on beef) for the balance of my protein needs. I've also been religious about my vitamin, mineral, Vitamin D, B12, and Calcium Citrate consumption. Now, even with my religious attention to these needs, I have severe Osteoporosis and it ain't funny! Last, it is critically important to not only truly address the fact each of us who have had RNY-type surgery where 80% of our small intestines are removed and we remain 50% malabsorptive for the rest of our lifetime -- that is unless our Lord Jesus miraculously provides for us this missing 80% of our small intestines and makes us completely new. This means that unless you get sufficient vitamins (generally 2 x normal), minerals, specifically Vitamin B12, and D, and Calcium Citrate your body bone mass will greatly deteriorate as the years pass and you will have screaming pain in your joints because of loss of bone mass, ending up in extreme agony with osteoporosis making your every-day living a challenge. Don't look to the doctors or other health-care professionals to understand the malabsorption issue or even the bioavailability of protein. In fact my own beloved doctor who referred me to the bariatric surgeon to have this life-saving surgery 12-30-04, told me one year ago, when he continued to prescribe solid form pills in place of liquid prescriptions, "I have never been trained in any malabsorption issues." How was I to know I was "feeding my toilet bowl" and not my bones or muscles? 70 grams of protein @ 50% malabsorption is 35 grams, and you are wasting away your skeletal bone mass and muscles. Go to my website www.obesityhelp.com/group/BellevueWA and use the helps there to understand what you must do for the rest of your lifetime. My encouragement, support, and love to all folks who have had or are considering this life-changing operation. Blessings, Christine Gibson, OH Trained Support Group Leader and Coach, & Bariatric University Trained Support Group Coach
   — Christine Gibson

December 1, 2011
Thank you everyone. I am not sure what the 5 day test is, but the overwhelming response seems to be against WW. I have some off board responses and appreciate those as well. I guess I will just try to back to only proteins and go from there. I'll keep you posted :-)
   — Karen K.

December 1, 2011
Karen K: You certainly did get some awesome posts in response to your inquiry and plea for help! Sorry for being late in the game, but I am just getting caught up on yesterday's overdue email! You might want to consider this in place of Wt.Watchers for an "ideal" protein source. It is medically supervised and it does WORK! Check out the details: www.idealprotein.com. Best of Luck and Happy Holidays!
   — momeego




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