Question:
Could you explian why you had the DS or the RNY type of surgery.

I am pre-op and am considering which procedure I would like to have. So please explian why you think your procedure is better then the other. I am having my first visit with Dr Peters tomorrow to discuss the different types. I have seen him once already but it was about my gallbladder, which he is removing for me next Wednesday.    — barbara0419 (posted on September 9, 2005)


September 9, 2005
My insurance would only cover DS with a BMI of over 50. So I had the RNY
   — catmomma3

September 9, 2005
I had the RNY. I don't think it's "better" than the DS, but I do think it was a good choice for me and so far, so good (at three-plus years out). I think the best surgery choice type depends on each individual patient's history, health, and preferences. Pre-op, my perception was that I'd need to be more careful with my eating habits with the RNY than with the DS, and I wanted to have to be more careful. Why? I loathed my pre-op eating habits and knew from previous diets how much better I felt when I ate healthy (if ONLY I could stick with that, lol). This doesn't mean I felt I could eat whatever (and however much) I wanted with the DS, or that I think anyone can, but I did come away with the impression that I'd be able to "get away with" more with the DS, and with my history (particularly, the link between my depression and out-of-control eating habits), I didn't feel that being able to get away with more would be a good thing. for me. I cannot speak for anyone else on that point. That doesn't mean I think everybody who has the DS overeats, only that I feel *I* would have done so with that surgery.<P>I was also concerned about having more malabsorption than I thought was necessary in my case. My BMI was 40 *on the nose* on day of surgery. I went way below goal with just a proximal RNY, and have to do tons of calcium and iron and other supplementation even with just that amount of malabsorption to keep my levels normal, so as it turns out, I'm glad I didn't have an even more malabsorptive surgery in the DS (yep, I know it might be less malabsorptive in some respects, but you get my general point).<P>I frankly think the DS may offer a better check against weight regain in the long run. However, I don't believe any WLS will work in the long run if somebody is determined to eat around their surgery, including the DS.<P>In anticipation of some posts you may receive in response to this question, I'll add that I never once threw up after my RNY, still haven't done that in three years. I've never "dumped" from eating sugar or anything else; I gather that most RNYers do dump at least for awhile, but some never do, so don't count on that either way (as a good or bad thing, lol). I can eat whatever I want, and I can and do regain if I eat crap (I just can't eat as much of it as I could before, which is exactly what I wanted).<P>Good luck with your research.
   — Suzy C.

September 9, 2005
If your doctor also does LapBand, you can get info on it as well. DS, RNY, Band .. all good options for different people. Best of luck to you!
   — Jeanie

September 9, 2005
I just more or less answered this question at http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/messageboard/postdetail/1485284.html?vc=0 Do you have to have the gall bladder out right away? Can you wait until you get your weight loss surgery approved so you can just have one surgery? I sure hope so -- what a drag to have to go through two surgeries!
   — [Deactivated Member]

September 9, 2005
I had RNY (Open) why....because I knew I needed a deterent to sugar and fats...I love them and they stick to my body! If I have a tool that will make me sick when I over do them I won't do them. That is why I went the route I went! I hate to puke so I am careful not to put too much fat or sugar in my mouth these days. I had an open vs laproscopic because that was all my hottie surgeon would do...and would you give up a hottie surgeon for a few small scars....nah! I believe each and every method is good. Its what you think will work for you. What are your triggers in eating? Think about them. Read up on all the procedures and see the side effects and such so that you can make the right decision for you! They all work! They all work for different reasons too! I am very glad I went RNY route. DS would allow me to do the sugars and well then my loss would not be what it is today I am very sure of that!
   — dcox94

September 10, 2005
I chose Vertical Sleeve Gastectomy as I did not want the intestinal bypass, nor did I personally want a forein object in my body and with a 20% removal rate. I think the key here is research your surgeon and discuss options with him/her to determine the best course of surgery for YOU. Barb
   — Barbara V.

September 10, 2005
My decision was made by my insurance, they would only pay for a RNY. The reason is due to a greater success rate, at least that is what I was told. Mine was done laproscopically, and I only had 1 pain shot the whole time I was in the hospital. It has a lot to do with your surgeon. Just curious, have you ask him about doing both procedures at once???
   — Patricia C.

September 11, 2005
This question can get you pretty flaming answers if you post in on the boards. Let me correct the impression of one poster, a DS can NOT eat anything they want to and anyone who has this surgery with that idea is crazy. I chose a BPD/DS becauses 3) I could continue to take medications that I need to take for depression 2) I have yet to hear of a RNY that doesn't vomit or get food caught on a regular basis & the #1 reason the weight-loss retention and is more like 70%. As many as 50% of the RNY's regain weight. RNY's are forever posting on DS boards asking about revisions to DS. I have a stomach that holds about 1/2 cup and it will eventually stretch to hold about the 1/2 size of a regular meal. Maintaining DS'ers usually eat 3 meals a day with 1 snack. Down sides of surgery, high risk of mal-absorption of vitamins & minerals, but as long as one takes vitamins and has annual blood work this should not be a concern. Instead of vomiting like RNY, DS can be prone to diarreha and gas but this is usually treatable and food related. Too much fat is going to cause problems. Some people have trouble with foods varying from milk to wheat. We have to eat 100 gms of protein and that leaves little room for carbs and at 8 weeks I have found I can't handle too many grain products but this may change. Staying away from sugar is not a problem as it presently tastes terribly sweet and it makes me feel terrible. Also knowing that I will absorb 100% of the calories from sugar keeps me out it. After DS absorption rates are approx 100% simple sugars, 30-40% complex carbs & protein, & 20% of fat. I truely beleive that DS is the best choice of those of us in the super obease category, but it is a very major surgery.
   — Jenny X.

September 11, 2005
You've received some great advice-- typically, the big debate for people is between the lap band and the RNY. The DS (and the BPD) are such specialized surgeries and account for such a small percentage of the total weight loss surgeries done nationally, that their proponents tend to be a relatively small minority. First, in most of the literature that has reviewed long-term success rates, the DS/BPD is by far the most successful in terms of quick weight loss and sustained weight loss. Unfortunately, there is a price to be paid for those benefits-- and the price is that with the re-routing that occurs during these procedures (which fosters the malabsorption of calories), there is significant malabsorption of vitamins and minerals. The nutritional issues are not as easily solved as simply taken daily supplements and some long-term problems do occur (such as a higher rate of osteoperosis among men and women who have had DS/BPD surgeries. Secondly, typically, given the short length of the digestive limb, many DS/BPD patients do not experience dumping (however, this can vary depending upon the exact procedure which is performed); consequently, althopugh they shouldn't, they can (in some instances) eat anything. Of course, given that you would feel pretty lousy if you weren't maintaining protein, it is doubtful that anyone would habitually eat unhealthy foods just because they caused some physical discomfort (not like any of us ever did that when we were morbidly obese). The RNY (for me) combined the best of the various weight loss methods by restricting my intake, slowing the exit of food from my pouch into my duodenum and imposing upon me the burden of dumping if I overate or ate sugars. Also, I have found that the proximity of my pouch to my throat forces me to eat slowly for if food backs up into my throat I will, and have, gagged. But, the important thing to keep in mind is to do your own research, evaluate the risks and benefits of each surgery and then find a surgeon in whom you have the utmost of confidence. Good luck.
   — SteveColarossi

September 11, 2005
No way in H$%l was my ins co going to dictate which weight loss surgery I would have. If I had cancer and they didn't want to pay for a procedure that could save my life, I'd fight them all the way. (Which I did, fight for my DS for over 2 years) I researched the DS, RNY and lapband for 2 years. Read all the peer-reviewed medical literature published in medical journals. I also have friends from work and church who've had wls, some rny, others the ds and even one friend who had a gastroplasty 15 years ago. I wanted to keep my pyloric valve and have a "more normal" quality of life post op (No marginal ulcers, strictures, dumping, vomiting, etc.) so I chose the DS. Mis-informed people, including surgeons, keep saying that there are more vitamin deficiencies and more diarrhea with DS. Hmmm.. I'm 9 months post op. No diarrhea / No vitamin deficiencies either. I get my labs done regularly. I only take one prenatal vitamin, a dry A & D, and 1500 mg of Calcium daily. I get my protein from FOOD, not protein shakes. I was kinda a liteweight and I've lost 90 lbs so far and DSers have a weight loss window of up to 24 months. Doc Peters I believe does both RNY and DS, so he should be able to give you a great comparison of procedures and help you decide what's best for you! Laurie
   — Laurie LOVES her DS

September 11, 2005
I chose the DS. After almost a year of research, mind you! The RNY does work for some, I just did NOT want the risk of strictures, and having to be stretched back out cuz the food won't go down. EUWW. Also, didn't want the weight re-gain that RNY has (almost 50% of those who have it regain). Some people do like to flame others for their surgery choice, but what good does it do? NONE! Each person decides for themselves and must live with that decision. The malabsorption is greater with DS, but I take my supplements and eat my protein, so all is WELL. That is what helps the DS folks keep the weight off! I do NOT have horrendous bathroom issues like some like to say will happen. Not at all. Fairly back to normal on the potty stuff! One of the best things about the DS is the fact that the stomach is NORMAL. It's not a pouch at all! It's actually made smaller for real and the surgeon keeps the pyloric valve intact (in RNY this isn't the case). Also, in the DS they remove the part of the tummy that makes the enzyme that causes the hunger pangs. My surgeon removed my gall bladder and appendix when he did the DS. All at once, way to go!! Good luck in your decision making process.
   — T S.

September 12, 2005
I chose DS because is what I wanted, no strictures, pouch issues etc. I am now over 3years post op. I still was 30 pounds from goal in March of this year, but got off my butt and watched what I ate, exercised etc. I lost that 30 pounds by golly! I started out at 335 (super morbidly obese another reason why I had DS) and I now weigh 155 pounds so a 180 pound loss, no issues with anything. Very happy!
   — Stephanie B.

September 12, 2005
In reading the last post, I can testify about the DS being a potentially difficult situation to overcome. My best friend had the DS and she did not comply with high protein low carb diet as prescribed. She lost 100 lbs and has plataued there for 2 years. She can't put down the sugar and can't lose her remaining weight. She fluctuates between 200 and 220. She looks/feels good. But, she is still frustrated b/c she has no motivation to curb her bad eating habits. In support group the DS'ers talk about the beauty of being able to eat what they want without consequences (other than bloating and horrific gas--which by the way having been around it, it will make you gag and eyes water). So, in respect for the last person who wrote, I think her view is realistic. For those who want a lot of controls placed in their lives, the DS is not the way to go. I had the R-n-Y for the same reasons, and even though I've had to adjust my eating and can't have whatever I want, I don't regret it for a minute, b/c I no longer feel ruled by my out-of-control appetite. It's nice for food to take it's proper place in life--for fuel and nutritional needs, rather than entertainment. And yes, I've gone through some grieving and sometimes smells of good, fatty foods drive me nuts. But, knowing that I no longer have to gorge myself until I'm uncomfortable just b/c I can--that's a wonderful thing. It takes me all of about 5 minutes to eat now, so I spend my lunch break walking instead. Feels good to feel great! And the pay-offs are too many to count! As you make your decision, remember, that WLS isn't for sissies, no matter which route you take. It is a big adjustment and there is no way you can know on the front end what it's going to be like until you do it. BUT, it is worth it and then some.
   — billiewallace




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