Question:
What are complications and success rates comparing the RNY and Duodenal Switch ?

I have researched several WLS procedures and have chosen the BPD/DS. My insurance co. says I don't have the out of network option and that the DS is too risky. What are the comparisons of the complications and success rates of the RNY and the BPD/DS? Which one has the greater possiblity of late weight gain? How do I argue my case with the insurance co?    — Angel C. (posted on April 7, 2001)


April 7, 2001
If you have done any research... why would you buck medical findings and go with a procedure that the top surgeons won't perform anymore because of complications? The RNY, especially when done laparascopically has the highest success rate with the least complications both short and long term. I cant imagine anyone 'choosing' any other form of this surgery. Go with the choice of the country's top surgeons...they do more of these type procedures and have the smallest number of problems. If the DS procedure produced better results and low incidence of problems they would be doing 30-50 of the DS a month instead of Lap RNY.
   — [Anonymous]

April 7, 2001
I find it pretty disturbing that instead of voicing an OPINION, and perhaps quoting a few studies with references so people can check for themselves, you would present a personal opinion as indisputable fact. The truth is, the NEW BPD/DS is different from the plain BPD, and the old jejunal bypass, and is nothing like the mini-bypass. There are some studies showing it to be have fewer (yes--fewer) nutritional complications, better long-term weight loss, and a higher quality of life. As with any new procedure, acceptance will be a gradual thing, and doctors like anyone else aren't thrilled to learn new ways of doing things. In short, there is good evidence it's a SUPERIOR procedure to the standard RNY, and the jury's still out for the REALLY long-term issues. It's best to see a surgeon who does both (such as Dr. Elariny of Arlington, VA, or Dr. Gagner of NY) and ask his/her opinion, as well as the har questions abot safety...or spend a few months reading for yourself--or both. Then make your decision based on safety AND lifestyle factors. (A person who is attracted to fats and has never liked sweets may do better with the DS for weight loss, whereas the sweets lover may appreciate the built-in control of the RNY. And so on.) Good luck to the poster who asked the question.---Jesse
   — [Anonymous]

April 7, 2001
This is where I believe some of you are incorrect. No matter how much any of us read about the different procedures we will NEVER be as qualified as the surgeons who hands are inside people doing this procedure every day(bariatric surgeons in the group excepted). In my opinion, find a doc who does 5 to 10 of any of these procedures a week (not a month) and ask them to explain the differences and what they recommend based on their vast experience. They are the ones qualified for making the decisions as to method. If the surgeons who are doing big numbers of these surgeries and already have the patients lined up knew of NEW DS that would improve their patients stats they would be quick to investigate and implement. I agree with you in regards to the bulk of the doctors who are doing a few of these procedures a month due to popular demand...but they arent the movers and shakers of WLS.
   — [Anonymous]

April 7, 2001
I have read alot of good things about the new BPD/DS and have heard things like LESS calcium malabsorbtion and LESS b12 malabsorbtion. But it's all a question of choice, and to the anon poster at the very bottom, I think you are very high up on yourself. I CHOSE my VBG because I did not WANT to my intestines rerouted and face the complications that can come with the RNY. Granted, I have my OWN complications and risks with the VBG, but I chose it none the less! I am getting sick and tired of the attitudes in this list and the surgery bashing that goes on. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT RIGHT TO DO THAT! HUGS to the poster of this question and I hope you find the one YOU want!
   — Jo C.

April 7, 2001
I dont think the poster at the bottom of the list is bashing anyone. People shouldnt be afraid to be controversial as we all learn more? She/He is making a valid point, if the DS (new) is so great why arent there any surgeons doing big numbers of these a month? If they worked and could be done with better results and more quickly,it would be truly groundbreaking news for everyone. It is just an easier surgery for those doctors who arent qualified to do the lapRNY. This is my opinion.
   — [Anonymous]

April 7, 2001
No one can tell you which surgery is better for YOU. We can only tell our personal experiences and preferences. You must do the research. A good place to begin studying about the BPD/DS is at: duodenalswitch.com Both surgeries can have complications and there are a variety of opinions about long-term success rates. Read the studies, ask people for their experiences (and they will be totally varied, even among those who have had the same surgery). Some insurance companies are still not educated about the BPD/DS and consider it a 'riskier' surgery. The BPD/DS is NOT the older bypass that was laden with severe possibility for nutritional deficiencies, etc. It IS a more complicated surgery as a matter of fact; It isn't an easier surgery and takes longer (many surgeons will not even attempt it laparoscopically --- although there are a handful who do and some of those are very experienced and top of their field). I chose the lap BPD/DS after much research. If you do decide on the BPD/DS, you can learn from those who have also experienced problems with insurance approval/etc and get support at: [email protected]. Even if you are undecided, it is an excellent starting point to get to know others who have had this surgery and any problems encountered, experiences, etc. All the best ([email protected]),
   — Teresa N.

April 7, 2001
I'll try to just give you my own experience and not cross any lines here. My husband & I both had distal RNY, very distal. We are some of the lucky ones who were fairly well supplemented, so we have suffered very few nutritional consequences. My husband had a post-op leak, could happen with any surgery. But long term, we have both lost and maintained 100% of our excess weight and tend toward the low end of our weight range, which is our preference. I'm 6+ yrs out, he's a year behind me. For many of us, our first choice may be our first surgery, followed by revision. Mine was revised last year, from non-transcted to transected, same surgery, better/newer style. Back in 1993, when I made my choice, there were not as many options available. Had I chosen the other option, I'd also have been revised, probably sooner. STILL. We are where we are today, we stay here with ease, we do not diet. We avoid milk & sugar, we take a very specific set of supplements. We get fequent labs, which we should do at our advanced age, anyway. We are healthier than we have ever been in our lives because we are more closely monitored than we were. We both would choose our distal RNY again.
   — vitalady

April 7, 2001
Ok, I agree with everyone that says to DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! Whichever procedure you feel is right for you, you will know it. Just trust yourself. As far as some of these posters saying that the top surgeons are only doing the RNY's etc etc because it's proven most safe and effective, yada yada yada.. . All I have to say to that is: Doctors are just people and we all know that OLD HABITS (AND IDEAS AND OPINIONS) DIE HARD!! I think they're giving Docs way too much credit here. They're gonna keep doing what they're doing becuz they know the procedure backwards and forwards (they're doing oodles of them a month, right?) they trust themselves with it and it is paying the bills just fine for them! What Dr (or any person,for that matter) would want to openly admit to a prospective client that they aren't doing the latest procedure? The patient might get the idea they're not "with it" on current research in their specialty, so instead they put the procedure down. Maybe they've been so busy doing 50 surgeries a month that they haven't had the time or desire to read up on what's new and exciting in their field of specialty!! They have already been telling their patients it's "the best" and why lose face and say that maybe another procedure is showing promise as well - especially if they are NOT performing it?? Your best bet is to talk to a Dr who is well versed in BOTH procedures. . .you notice there are not too many of them. . .now why is that?? Another thing to keep in mind is that the RNY may be the "standard" here in the US, but it is not in other First world, developed countries. Why is that? It's all a matter of opinion. I would rather have a Dr well versed in all aspects of his specialty (which is the only fair way to label him a specialist!) instead of running a WLS mill and being blind to new developments because he was too busy "doing what he does!" I guess even the horse and buggy was the "standard" once too. . . Where would America be without those visioneers and those of us willing to ask, "Why NOT?!" :-)
   — ChristiMNB

April 7, 2001
I think the most important part about researching which surgery is for you is research and keep an open mind. I was originally having an RNY until a week later my surgeon(due to medical reasons)recommended BPD/DS. I researched this and I am very comfortable with my decisiion.(surgery 4/11) One reason the insurance companies don't approve as often is the cost. It is more cost effective to do the RNY than the BPD/Ds. The DS is a longer surgery,slightly longer recovery and costs more. Of course they want to go with the cheaper! My advice is to go to many different sources. Ask people who've had all different types why. Have they had complications? If so what. What do they like about their surgery,what has been the best and hardest part about the surgery. The duodonalswitch.com is good along with www.surgicallyslim.com. I'm only recommending this site as reference as it lists both the RNY and BPD/DS.(this site is Mount Sinai's) Don't make a quick decision. There is no need to. Write down the pros & cons of each and compare side by side. Then, I think you will make the most informed and best choice for YOU. That's what counts. I would also speak with my surgeon. Ask their opinion and why. Maybe there's a reason they would feel one would work best for you over another. Best of luck on this journey of discovery!
   — Linda M.

April 7, 2001
I have done research on both and I have chosen the DS procedure. This doesn't mean that the other ones are not any good, this one was just the right choice for me. I would suggest lots of research. All of the procedures have worked, and they all have risks involved. I would not say one is better than the other, it's up to what each individual wants. A lot of people think their procedure is the best, and I'm sure it was the best for them. As for the first poster and their opinion about RNY being the better procedure because it's the most popular? That is totally obsurd. There are always new and updated procedures on the horizon. I'm sure we will see plenty more in the future years. There are plenty of surgeons that perform several procedures a week, weather they are DS, RNY, Lap, and so forth. I personally would prefer a doc that took his time and took care of me rather than measuring their surgical ability on how many surgeries they perform per week. I do not understand where all of this negativity and arrogance comes from. I come here for support, and to speak with people with the same problem that I have on a nice and friendly level. Just remember each person is an individual and what is right for you may not be right for everyone else. And I do not understand why the people with the most strong opinions always post anonymous!! Good luck to you and your decision. I'm sure you will choose the one that's right for you.
   — Kim B.

April 8, 2001
Here's some good information on RNY vs. DS: http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Procedure/DS_vs__RNY/ds_vs__rny.html. Good luck in your research! ---->>>
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