Question:
Is there a particular surgery that is recommended for higher loss?

I weigh about 575 with a BMI of 80.2 I was planning on the Fobi Pouch but workmans comp won't cover it but they will cover a less expensive Dr. We are in hearings about it now but I was wondering if I had to choose another type, what would be the one that would help me lose the most?    — Scott D. (posted on December 11, 2004)


December 11, 2004
With that high a BMI you are a candidate for the DS, which involves increased mal absorbtion, or a long bypass RNY. With the right surgeon you may be able to get LAP. Get a very experienced surgeon with your BMI your a bigger risk. I have friends who have long RNYs with around your start weight youy should do fine:)
   — bob-haller

December 11, 2004
Scott, Dude! The DS would be awesome for you! Check out www.duodenalswitch.com, http://www.gr-ds.com/generalinformation/comparison.html, and http://www.johnhustedmd.com/switch.htm - all have good info about the DS. The great news is that since you're in California there are several really good DS surgeons in your state. Probably the best DS surgeon in the world is Dr. Rabkin in San Francisco. His contact information is at www.duodenalswitch.com under the Surgeons button, then choose California. He has done successful Lap DS on the highest BMI patients. If insurance ends up balking, you might consider self-paying. I went to Spain for my surgery with Dr. Aniceto Baltasar (www.drbaltasar.com or www.bodybybaltasar.com) 2.5 yrs ago and it was the best decision I ever made in my life! Everything all tolled for my surgery and travel was $15,000. Let me know if I can answer any questions, okay? Blessings, dina
   — Dina McBride

December 11, 2004
I would also recommend the DS if you are looking for the most weight loss. If they won't approve that then a Distal RNY would be my second choice. With the DS I believe you also eat more normally. Just absorb a lot less.
   — FaithMills

December 12, 2004
Very much in the minority here, I have a distal RNY. I have both restriction and malabsorption. I do not have a ring of any kind. As long as I don't graze, I can't get the volume in, and the malabsorption takes away almost everything but sugar. A mixed blessing, but one I can live with.
   — vitalady

December 12, 2004
Last Feb, Rabkin did a 700lb man. LAP DS! Amazing. Do a lot of research and read read read. Do what's best for you!
   — PattyL

December 13, 2004
Chances of Workman's Comp approving a DS is also slim. While all the faithful DS people feel it is the ultimate best surgery for the SMO I feel differently. The only surgery that is the best is the one that will work for you! You need to examine your eating habits and food demons and do tons of reading. My surgeon regularly does 600+ people with a 150cm bypass and they have awesome results because they embrace their surgery and their choice and make it work. I was 442 and a 65.3 BMI and I hang in the mid 190's these days, which is 5 lbs below my goal weight. I lost all of my weight in 13 months time, so the DS does not provide faster results. I am far from the exception. I co-moderate a WLS board for people over 400 lbs or 65 BMI and there are many of us that have lost 200-300 lbs and typically within the normal window of opportunity or sooner. We have people who are 5+ years PO and maintaining their weight. It all comes down to choices and what we choose to do with the tool we are given. <p>Many DS people feel an RNY doesn't eat hardly anything - FALSE!. We just happen to eat normal amounts of food instead of the super large amounts we ate pre-op. Granted it is once we are to maintenance that we are eating these larger quantities, but typically we are not hungry along the way as we get a full feeling on much less food. Yes if I overeat I am miserable and sometimes want to die, but truthfully that's a good thing. There is no need in life to gorge ourselves on food. Normal quantities should be adequate. I realize that for some the only surgery they could have dealt with is the DS or Lap Band etc, but that does not make it the right surgery for every one, any more than the RNY does. <p>My biggest concern with any bypass longer than the 150cm I have is the risk of severe malabsorption. I have slight to moderate deficiencies in iron, zinc, vitamin D and calcium as it is. Scary to think what it might be with a longer bypass. Granted the iron might not be an issue with the DS, but there are much greater risks of being low in many other areas due to the massive malabsorption. The bottom line is just know that not a one of these surgeries is a magic bullet and you can screw them all up if you are not on board with the program. You may be faced with having to choose an RNY when you might prefer a DS and that is something you will have to figure out for yourself. It is a shame that anyone should have to not get the right surgery if they and their doctor feel it is what will work best for them, but that's reality in many cases. Do realize that if you opt to self-pay and get any surgery that is not covered by your insurance then you are left holding the bag for all future medical costs that can in any way be attributed to the WLS. This can be astronomical if you have problems. I realize some people really are left with no choice and that is unfortunate, but you just need to fully have your eyes open before jumping in. <p>All I can say is that I have done wonderful with my RNY and yes I struggle with old eating habits and yes if I had had the DS I could just eat away and never give it a thought, but for me I needed a total lifestyle change. It feels good to eat a normal amount of food and not be making multiple trips to the food bar in order to fill myself up. I am fortunate that I truly can eat anything, even sugar. Yes sometimes I eat too much sugar and I pay for it, but that's not a bad thing in my opinion. You need to do a ton of research is all I can say. You do not want to end up leaving a prison of fat only to find yourself in some new kind of prison and not enjoying life anyway. If you are interested in joining our WLS group for people over 400 lbs, send me an e-mail and I will send you the link. We have all surgeries represented there, but people are a little more realistic that the type of surgery is in fact a small part of the big picture and long term progress. It's what we do with the surgery we get that is the most important. I will definitely put my 252 lbs loss with a 150cm RNY up against any of the other surgeries any day of the week. I think we can all be successful if we want to. It truly is up to us in 99% of the cases.
   — zoedogcbr

December 17, 2004
A distal surgery (be it a distal Roux-en-Y or the bibliopancreatic diversion with duodenal switch, which is always distal) offers the best chance of losing the most and keeping off the most. Neither works for everyone, but the distal surgeries give you the best chance of success, particularly when you have several hundred pounds to lose. It is true that the high malabsorption that causes the majority of the weight loss and protection against regain raises the specter of nutritional deficiencies; but many who undergo proximal RNY's suffer nutritional deficiencies as well. And the nutritional deficiencies can be persistent even if the weight loss is less than spectacular. At your weight, a proximal or medial RNY could leave you still morbidly obese and suffering from low B-12 or other nutritional problems. You must be committed to taking nutritional supplements and regular blood testing if you're going to have any malabsorptive surgery. If you are considering the BPD/DS (often shortened to DS), do not be misled into believing that you will be able to eat huge amounts of food thereafter. Nearly four years after my DS, I can eat one plate of food at a buffet. One. No way can I eat as I did before my operation. I can eat moderate amounts of whatever food I like, which I continue to regard as one of the great and legitimate pleasures of life. It is important to realize that any weight-loss surgery can fail, even the distals--and even if you "eat right" and exercise with near-religious zeal, as do many in the revision groups at Yahoo. That's why it's important to put the odds in your favor by picking the right surgery for you the first time. And pick the surgery that's right for you as you know you are now--not the you you'd like to be, who'd exercise like a demon, swear off sugar for life, and probably never would have needed surgery in the first place. It's important to do this honest assessment of yourself, and to treat the surgery as a one-time shot at overcoming your obesity, because it probably will be your only shot. If you choose to go with a conservative, low-malabsorption surgery, do not do so in the belief that you "can always get a revision," because you probably won't be able to. Insurance companies are much less likely to pay for them, surgeons are much less likely to perform them, they are more dangerous, and adhesions often prevent them. Pick the surgery that offers you the best chance of success, and go for it. Best of luck.
   — Kay B.




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