Question:
OMG!Need words of encouragement!

My friend is approx.3 mnths p.o RnY and told me she has "never taken supplemental protein"! I absolutely freaked on her for this and she told me, "its ok, not every patient has to, it depends on your body..." WhAt! Is she serious???I would never "not' take my protein!!!What should i say to her??Is she right?Ive never heard of a Gb patient NOT taking additional protein!!!Im scared for her, even though she is doing good for now...any advice i should give her?    — littleguzla (posted on March 16, 2008)


March 16, 2008
I am one year out and have lost 186 pounds. I have tried supplemental protein but find that either it tates bad or upsets my stomach. Instead I eat enough protein to take care of the 70 grams a day. If I don't feel I've eaten enough of protein then my doctor said to eat some nuts (not a lot) to get some protein in. So far this works for me and I have about 40 more to get to my personal goal. Hope your friend is ok. I am interested in the protein pill. Anybody tried that yet and been successful?
   — TrevaDeck150

March 16, 2008
I have never been told to take supplements for protein except protein drinks and bars. Not pills. My dr. said how important it is to take your vitamins and eat right, lots of protein in you diet but no supplements.
   — Claudia C.

March 16, 2008
When I went to my monthly support group meeting, they had a nutritionist there as a guest speaker. She mentioned supplemental proteins and I told her I don't take them (I'm 7 weeks out). I told her I get my additional protein from the protein shakes and she said that's quite alright...as long as I get the required amount of protein in me.
   — DeeDiamond

March 16, 2008
I never had to take protien shakes or pills. I am out 13 months and feel fantastic! I do eat all the protien I can (which isn't much. I have lost 252 Lbs so far. I was never told to rely on the pills or shakes. the shakes have too much sugars.
   — obx100

March 16, 2008
Supplemental protein can be any source of protein instead of traditional food items. This would include shakes, bars, bullets, ProStat 64, Isopure protein drinks, etc. Maybe she takes shakes and did not consider that a supplement? Someone misunderstood someone I believe. The one person who said they were a year plus out can get by without supplemental proteins, because of the wider variety of foods and the larger quantities they are able to consume at that time. Ask her about protein shakes. Shakes tend to be consumed by most RNY patients in early stages as these are available at many local wholesale stores, nutrition stores, drug stores, etc. At 3 months post op, she can't be getting 60-80 grams of protein from 2 oz meals.
   — Dave Chambers

March 16, 2008
Interesting what some RNY WLS patients have to say here. I guess that some doctors just do not educate like maybe the one you and I and a few others went to. I have to take 80 Grams of Protein a day. The shakes my doctor put on his list do not contain a lot of sugar, as that would make me sick. I too was taught to lose weight, eat right and excersice every day. The protein allows you to loose fat and help to build musele. When I told my doctor that I just was sick of the shakes and thought 70 grams was enought, he told me to try protein from another list he gave me to make sure I got 80 grams a day every day. There is a lady in one of my support groups that lost most of her hair because she did not like the taste of the shakes. There is no substitution for educating yourself, but some people stumble through and do fine regardless. Just think how much better they could feel if they followed all the rules.
   — William (Bill) wmil

March 16, 2008
initially after surgery protein supplements are essentially for most people. i started on shakes, but was told to stop the shakes asap because they prefer you get your protein through foods not supplements. i guess all doctors are different, but i'm like you and can't imagine never using a supplement. good luck to her and just keep encouraging/supporting her. good luck and i hope this helps...Holly
   — RNlvnCARSON

March 16, 2008
PLEASE! Tell her to seek her nutritionist for the proper info. If she does not find it there, have her primary physician find her a nutritionist skilled in bariatric nutrition. Dr. Jean-Baptiste's nutritionist explained all of that to us prior and post op.
   — bypasschick

March 16, 2008
PLEASE! Tell her to seek her nutritionist for the proper info. If she does not find it there, have her primary physician find her a nutritionist skilled in bariatric nutrition. Dr. Jean-Baptiste's nutritionist explained all of that to us prior and post op.
   — bypasschick

March 16, 2008
My surgeon didn't want us to do shakes, he wanted us to get our protein from 'real' food...easy as that...every dr is different..i'm sure your friend is following her dr's protocol...and if you have the same dr, maybe he changed his protocol since you had surgery and when your friend had theirs..... good luck
   — RAD

March 16, 2008
I am 4 yrs out and I never took a protein supplement. When I first had my surgery I drank carnation instant breakfast (sugar Free) for a little while and thats it. She is right everyone is different. If she is eating protein or drinking protein she should be fine. If her Dr says she is good then you shouldnt worry.
   — Joanc

March 16, 2008
you should be getting all protein from real food -- not suppliments -- your friend is 100% correct :) as long as you are taking in about 60-72 g of protein a day with food then everything is fine --you should talk to your surgeon or nutritionist -- read the nutritional labels on food and get to know what has high protein and low sugar and acceptable calorie levels -- good luck
   — RCassety

March 17, 2008
As long as your friend gets a clean bill of health from her doc and labs...she doesn't need to take supplements at 3 months out. It is possible to get your protein from real food. I forced myself to take supplemental proteins in the beginning and they all gave me such an ache in my pouch...It would take me all day to sip on a protein drink. After about three months I gave up completely and never touched a shake again. Well til recently because I finally found a protein powder I can tolerate 4 years post op and hundreds of wasted dollars on disgusting tasting proteins. I cannot eat 100g's of protein in a day if I also want to eat fruits, veggies and grains too...so I do supplement 30 grams in my 1/2 C of coffee every morning....My labs showed my protein right on! So I'm doing good there! And maintaining my weight too. If you really want to make sure she is not harming herself...ask her to make sure to get her labs to make sure she is doing good for her own peace of mind! If anything you should be worried about is her taking her vitamin supplements! Those are just as important, if not more, especially in the long run...like where I am 4 years out...
   — .Anita R.

March 17, 2008
Hi Alice. First, stop freaking out, you are giving me high blood pressure just by reading your post! Breathe for just a minute. Ok, your friend needs protein, everyone needs protein, but if she is getting it in normal foods, she will be just fine. I tried suppliments, and they stink, were horrible. I think God gave us food to enjoy and use for our bodies, so I use food for my protein. If she doesn't know how to get enough protein in, when you ask her in your nice normal voice, good suggestions are: skim milk, yogurt, some of the single portion canned soups, egg salad, tuna salad, ham salad, I eat shrimp all the time, about 2 pounds a week, low fat, good protein! Cottage cheese, all meats, there are lots of good protein sources. At three months I know she is probably eating very small portions, but she may be eating several times a day. If she is not getting enough protein, you can encourage her to try a protein powder that you add to foods. I got some from www.bariactriceating.com. They have a suppliment that you can add to food to boost your protein, but as a rule, if you work at it, you can use foods to get all you need. I would first see if she is taking her vitamins and calcium, then ask if she is getting her protein in and how is she doing that and how is she keeping track of that, and then ask if she wants advice. Let's say that your friend is doing everything wrong, she is doing poorly and doesn't really care. You cannot change that. You can love her, ask her if she wants advice and then give it, but if she won't do it, then she will be stuck with the consequences of her decision. Many people have wls with good intentions and then just get lazy and don't care about the rules. I truly hope this does not apply to your friend because the complications can be very tough for the lazy patient. I hope she will be on top of her game soon. Take care. Patricia P.
   — Patricia P

March 17, 2008
Your friend is losing weight and feels great. She's happy and her doctors are happy. (I am assuming that she has a competent bariatric medical team.) The only one who thinks she is NOT doing well seems to be *YOU*. I suggest using less negativity with your friend. It's OK to express your concerns to her and suggest that she talk with her bariatric team about them, but SHE DOESN'T NEED NAGGING. Why try to steer her off a course that is working so well her?
   — [Deactivated Member]

March 17, 2008
She is quite possibly, one prime example of people NOT following the "rules" after wls surgery. She might be the 1% that doesn't make it. My surgeon is ranked number 2 in the United states and #1 in GA. He said his 1% death rate is NOT from the surgery, but from the people that don't follow the plan as they should after surgery. I'd find out a bit more about what her surgeon and her believe is a supplement. I'd also explain to her about GOOD NUTRITION following gb and try to explain things to her so she understands. Good luck and God bless!
   — crystalsno

March 17, 2008
I personally have taken supplements for protein at times to fight off hunger only, but my Surgeon does not feel they are needed. He is a firm believer in 3 meals a day with one snack if needed. Works for his folks, just had my blood work done, everything looks good. Kriola
   — Kriola

March 17, 2008
We pay money to be "BYPASSED" then we are told to get our protein from food...thus training our bypassed guts not to be bypassed anymore...but to grow longer and adapt and absorb...thus the RNY weight regain down the road. A shame docs don't understand more about nutrition nor to the nutritionists understand about our altered physiognomies. But I do have a sad tale to tell about my daughter..who 8 1/2 years ago had the RNY, and her doctor told her the shakes would make her fat. Too much sugar?? How much less sugar can we get than 0 grams I ask?? Anyway...after years of my nagging her and worrying about her...last October, her heart failed her, and she was found dead by her daughter on the kitchen floor. Am I trying to frighten you? yes, I am. She listened to her doctor. Should she have? You be the judge. I am heart broken. A sad and frustrated mother who takes her liquid protein religiously. Regards~
   — Statuesque




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