Question:
Am I headed for trouble?

Just read a couple of questions/answers about taking meds. When I talked with my NP one of the things I asked about was all the medications I have to take..if it was going to be a problem. She said no. But now I'm worried, it sounds like it is hard to take pills right away. Is there a difference depending on the type of surgery you have? (I have MS and am on about 15 different meds and can't stop taking them or I'm in trouble) HELP Please!    — angelvh2 (posted on September 5, 2008)


September 5, 2008
Nooo need to be worried - you will be just fine! If there is anything that your doctor or surgeon think you need to take in a liquid form for a while, they can give you prescriptions before your surgery or when you are discharged from the hospital. For the first few weeks after my surgery, I took my pills one at a time every day, with just enough water to get each one down. The further out I got and the more healed I was, the more pills I was able to take at once. I am 18 weeks out now and I can take all five of my pills every morning in one shot, and I'm able to drink plenty of water to get them down. Be careful with crushing pills and do not do that without explicit permission from your doctor or surgeon - taking pills in that form (crushed) can cause ulcers depending on the type of medication. Best wishes and keep us posted on how everything goes for you!
   — lauren_marie

September 5, 2008
Since MS is an Immune System illness (at least USUALLY from what I have seen in my research). The probable BEST surgical procedure for you to get would be the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy. It would allow you to take all the medications that you are currently taking with NO modifications (except temporarily as your stomach is healing from the surgery) since you are left with a fully functioning STOMACH and a fully functioning INTESTINE. The only thing that is done with the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy is that the STOMACH is REMOVED and what is LEFT is sewn back TOGETHER into a TUBE, or "SLEEVE." Everything you eat is metabolized just as it was BEFORE the surgery, so you do NOT need to alter the way you take your medications. You STILL can eat the same FOODS that you did BEFORE the surgery in many cases, although it would be WISE NOT TO since THAT is what got MANY of us INTO the trouble that we are in, in the FIRST place! As long as we are going through the trouble of making such a DRASTIC CHANGE in our lives, we should ALSO make a change in our DIETS as WELL! Change our LIFESTYLE as WELL as our body and do the job RIGHT! The Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy has been proven as a SAFE and EFFECTIVE way to lose weight through YEARS of operations that have been done for OTHER procedures. It does NOT have data that proves it for WEIGHT LOSS in the US (YET!) but it has been done for years in both Central and South America and in Europe for weight loss and in the US for Ulcers and Cancer removal for DECADES and has been shown to be one of the SAFEST surgical procedures in the US. It is also nearly statistically as effective as the Gastric Bypass at helping people lose weight. It is within 2 or 3 percentage points of the Gastric Bypass in effectiveness, and it is MUCH safer. Couple that with a MUCH lower incidence of side effects, and you have a Grand Slam in MY book! Many surgeons who perform BOTH procedures will suggest that patients with immune system problems get the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy due to the medication issues. Doctors that DON'T, often will NOT due to issues with INSURANCE or because they to not PERFORM this type of SURGERY. Many insurance companies are reluctant to PAY for the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy because the Certifying Agencies In the US have not yet given their BLESSING to the procedure. They still consider the surgery "Experimental" since it has not been DONE in the US for the purposes of WEIGHT LOSS for over 10 years! While the surgery has not been done in the US for WEIGHT LOSS for over 10 years, it HAS been done for the OTHER reasons I mentioned. It has been done for the removal of CANCER and ULCERS. The data that have been seen from THOSE SURGERIES regarding WEIGHT LOSS is NOT CONSIDERED VALID by the certifying agency because the surgeries were NOT done primarily FOR weight loss! Data from South and Central America and from Europe is not allowed because it is considered unreliable. As if US data were sacrosanct. We have had a NUMBER of medications PULLED OFF THE MARKET due to manipulation of DATA by the MANUFACTURER in THE USA! You would think that DATA from someplace like GREAT BRITAIN would be considered at least AS reliable as data from HERE! Great Britain has been doing the VSG for quite some TIME now! They have been using it as a low cost alternative to the Gastric Bypass in their Socialized Health Care System. One would THINK that the INSURANCE COMPANIES would get WISE to this and get on BOARD, but they seem to stick their head in the sand and play dumb. Instead of paying for a procedure that they only have to pay for ONCE and then DON'T have to WORRY about the patient again, they pay for a procedure where they pay for the SURGERY, the FOLLOW UP CARE, and the SUPPLEMENTS for LIFE! One would think that this could get EXPENSIVE after a while! While many insurance companies are LOATHE to pay for this procedure, you may STILL be able to GET it if you can get a doctor to tell them that it is MEDICALLY NECESSARY! Find a surgeon that performs the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy and that takes YOUR insurance. Talk to him and explain your situation. Tell him that you WANT this procedure and WHY! He will most LIKELY agree that it is the BEST option FOR you. If your insurance company BALKS at the procedure, have him deal with them and have him write a letter explaining WHY the procedure is MEDICALLY NECESSARY for you. You will NEED to have THIS SPECIFIC PROCEDURE so that you can take your medications. Any OTHER procedure will INTERFERE with that or cause your body to have an immune system reaction. People with immune system problems are NOT recommended to have the Lap Band for instance because the foreign objects placed in their body can cause immune system reactions. The same problem can occur with the Vertical Banded Gastroplasty. The Duodenal Switch is in the same class as the Gastric Bypass when it comes to causing trouble with taking certain medications. Both procedures require modifications of medication regimens for some people. Only the Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy Leaves the gastric system basically intact and without foreign objects that can cause immune system problems. This is why it is best for people like you and me. While I do not suffer from MS, I too have an immune system disorder. If you want to find out more about the different types of surgical options available, go to my profile page (http://www.obesityhelp.com/member/hubarlow)tp://www.obesityhelp.com/member/hubarlow)w.obesityhelp.com/member/hubarlow)tp://www.obesityhelp.com/member/hubarlow)w.obesityhelp.com/member/hubarlow)w.obesityhelp.com/member/hubarlow)tp://www.obesityhelp.com/member/hubarlow) and check out the post titled "Surgical Comparisons." If you don't see it on the main profile page, look for it in the March 2008 archives. Use this as a foundation for your own research. DO your own research! It is IMPORTANT that EACH of us be as informed as we POSSIBLY CAN about something as important as our health. This type of surgery will affect us our WHOLE LIFE! Let's make sure we get the RIGHT ONE. Do your research and then consult with a COMPETENT DOCTOR! If you don't like what you hear from the DOCTOR, GET A SECOND OPINION! Surgeons are NOT gods! I hope this helps, Hugh.
   — hubarlow

September 5, 2008
I was taking 19 meds a day when I came home from the hospital. I used to take a handfull and swallow with water, but it was for almost 6 weeks one pill at a time and a small sip of water, wait a minutes of 30 seconds and take another. That caused the pill taking time to go from just as I was going to bed and getting up to a 10-15 minute process as I watched TV or read something. Today, I only take one of those meds, but I have all my suppliments, which I take like I used to, one handfull and water and I am on my way. Best of success to you.
   — William (Bill) wmil

September 5, 2008
Taking pills is not an issue with everybody. If the pills or capsules are small, then there should be no issues with swallowing. You may want to see if some of your meds can be obtained in liquid form, or speak to your doctors about malabsorption issues of your script meds. Liquids tend to be absorbed better. My surgeon gave me liquid Vicodin for pain meds after my RNY surgery. I also take liquid vitamins, for better absorption, and LESS PILLS to swallow daily. My script meds are not an issue with swallowing, but the larger dosed vitamins and calcium citrate tend to give me problems at times. So I opted to take liquid vitamins, and one ounce satisfies my daily needs. Calcium citrate is available as a liquid too. DAVE
   — Dave Chambers

September 6, 2008
I don't know about MS or the medications you are on, but I went from 22 scripts to 3, so perhaps you will find you have to take less than you do now. It won't be a big problem at any rate, just take it slow and you'll do fine. Dusty.
   — Dusty Ray Vaughn

September 6, 2008
I TAKE 6 MEDS FOR BI-POLAR. THEY ARE NOT SMALL. I TAKE THEM FIVE MINUTES APART SO THEY DONT GET STUCK. I TOOK THEM THE DAY AFTER SURGERY WITH NO PROBLEM.
   — cecilie

September 6, 2008
I got a pill crusher (from Kroger @ the pharmacy for $4.00) and that helped me wth taking my medications. I'd just mix them (after crushing) in with yogurt or pudding or something like that. That worked for me!
   — pattschiele

September 6, 2008
I have to take many pill a day for several conditions and it is NOT easy!!! I feel as if I am taking pills all day and they feel like a lump in my pouch. Many of my pills can not be crushed or taste soooooo bad crushed that I can only take them whole. Don't forget that you'll need a lot of new vitamins too! I can honestly say that getting in ALL my meds is the hardest part of WLS for me. I used to be able to take 8 pills in one pop! Not any more. Now I can only do one at a time and need to time others throughout the day. You'll find a way, but don't think it's going to be easy. Not much about WLS is!
   — [Deactivated Member]

September 8, 2008
I took pills right away. I just had to take one at a time make sure that I gave my stomach enough time to settle before I took another. I am 7 months post op now and take 4 pills at a time in one swallow now. Just hang in there. You'll know what you can handle. Just take your time and be patient. God Bless Angie Kimball (sillyguts)
   — Sillyguts

September 21, 2008
My sister has MS. But I actually just want to comment on taking meds after surgery. It is very important that we all stay on our meds after surgery (whatever they are for be it depression or PCOS or MS or anything). I struggled A LOT the first 2 months after surgery. In hindsight I know it was IN PART because I had a hard time taking my medications (zoloft, buspar, etc) and that just made my "body changes" that much harder to endure. It was a very hard time. Make sure you take your meds ALL OF THEM everyday. BEST OF LUCK TO YOU!
   — Fluffee




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