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What vitamins are the best for us

What calcium supplament is best and how much do we absorb? I was looking at the liquid filled calcium caps and was wondering if they absorbed better than the non liquid ones. Also, does anyone take herbs for anything, and how do they work.    — Lisa J. (posted on November 29, 2002)


November 28, 2002
Calcium supplementation can be a complicated issue; but there are a few simple rules to follow that will probably keep you in good shape. <ul><li>calcium CITRATE (Citracal calcium citrate and many others) is the form we absorb best after RNY or other malabsorptive procedures. Calcium CARBONATE (Tums, Viactiv, Caltrate, many other brands) requires exposure to stomach acid for one hour, an environment we can no longer provide, and it is also implicated in kidney stone creation.</li><li>Calcium is absorbed in about 500 mg doses. More than that at a time is a waste (though the brand I use supplies 630 mg a dose, and I see that little bit extra as "insurance").</li><li>Most adults need 1500-2000 mg a day; that's 3-4 doses.</li><li>Optimum calcium absorption happens when you take Vitamin D along with it. Many tablets are formulated with 200 IU Vitamin D per dose for this reason. It's hard to get enough Vitamin D from sun exposure during the winter to meet the 400 IU a day requirement, and it's also hard to get too much Vitamin D.</li><li>Calcium absorption is also facilitated by the presence of magnesium (half as much as the calcium, so 250 mg magnesium for every 500 mg calcium) and boron; 1 mg is the common amount of boron.</li><li>Calcium directly competes with iron for absorption sites in the small intestine; for this reason, make sure there's at least two hours between your calcium and your iron supplements.</li><li>To make sure you're getting the amount of calcium you think you're getting, read the label carefully. It should say &quot;calcium (as calcium citrate)&quot;, &quot;elemental calcium&quot; or &quot;elemental calcium (as calcium citrate)&quot; on the label where it lists the RDA values. If it just says &quot;calcium&quot;, there's no way to tell if that's ELEMENTAL calcium, or the total amount of calcium citrate, which are two very different things.</li><li>Twinlab makes a chewable calcium citrate; Sundown makes a liquid calcium citrate; and there are other alternatives in liquid and chewable form, if you find that you cannot stomach the large calcium tablets or capsules. However, scary as they look, those big calcium tablets/capsules all dissolve within 5 minutes of hitting your pouch, thanks to the combo of saliva, water, and body heat.</li><li>Finally, calcium is best absorbed when your bones are not supporting your weight, so make sure to take your last dose each day right before you go to bed.</li></ul> I hope this information is helpful. Calcium supplementation has been debated many times, especially on the Graduate-OSSG Yahoo group, but the bottom line is, we need it to keep our bones healthy, and calcium citrate is the best form for us; the NIH says that calcium citrate should be the supplement of choice for seniors and anyone else with reduced stomach acid. <p>As for herbs, if you think my calcium list is long, an entire book could be written about herbs and their use. :-) Fortunately, many good books exist, and things are not much different for those of us who have had WLS; in fact, I've heard a few naturopaths who are familiar with herbs and WLS say that we actually can get MORE benefit from herbs since we don't have stomach acid to denature some of the active ingredients in herbal supplements. I don't know if that's true, but I recommend that you consult with someone who has experience with herbal medicines if you are interested in using them.
   — Julia Z.

November 28, 2002
By the way, I forgot to mention that I have a long reading list of scientific articles, peer-reviewed studies, and papers published in medical journals, if people would like the list of citations for the material in my answer posted here. Just email me, and I'll send it to you. I've done over 200 hours of research in this area, why should you have to do it over again? :-)
   — Julia Z.

November 29, 2002
I am 7 weeks post-op. When I first got home, I was taking Citracal for my calcium. They are HUGE pills, and I had a difficult time getting them down. I ordered some calcium capsules that are available on www.vitalady.com. They go down soooooooo much easier, and you can also open them up and add it to something to eat if you need to. Good luck!
   — Want2bslim

November 29, 2002
BEING A YEAR OUT OF AN R,N,Y, OPEN, AT GOAL. SINCE THE OPERATION MY DOCTOR TOLD ME TO TAKE A FLINTSTONE COMPLETE ONE IN THE MORNING AND ONE AT BED TIME.. THEY ARE CHEWABLE, TASTE GOOD, AND ALL OF MY BLOOD WORK HAS BEEN PERFECT SINCE THE W.L.S. IF I WOULD HAVE OFF IN SOME AREA HE WOULD HAVE DEALT WITH THAT. BUT ALL HAS BEEN PERFECT.. GOOD LUCK
   — bruce M.

November 30, 2002
Bruce,<br>I want you to ask your doctor when you are going to have your bone density checked via a DEXAscan (Dual Emission X-ray Absorption). Because the bloodwork you are having done doesn't mean a thing when it comes to calcium and the strength of your bones. Your body will rob calcium from your bones and teeth to circulate in your blood if you are not getting enough from food and supplements, so the blood levels will seem normal, but your bones are being depleted. Two Flinstones chewables will leave you depleted (eventually, if not quite soon) in calcium, vitamin B-12, vitamin E, and vitamin A, all for sure, and potentially vitamin D and iron as well. Flintstones chewables are a good choice for the first few weeks when regular tablets are too challenging, but we do not absorb many vitamins in that form; the fat-soluble vitamins MUST be in DRY form for our bodies to grab them; the vitamin B-12 must be administered sublingually or via injection for our bodies to get them because we no longer have intrinsic factor available in our stomachs, and the calcium must be in the form of calcium CITRATE, because calcium carbonate, contained in Flintstones, needs one hour of exposure to stomach acid to be converted to a form that our bodies can process. <p>I'm sorry, but surgeons are great and cut and paste, rearranging our bodies to give us a weight-loss tool. Most of them have NEVER had any formal training in nutrition in their entire careers. ZERO. It's up to us to own our health, to do the research, and to speak to the people that do know, and then tailor our supplement regime to suit us. It's also up to us to get and maintain copies of ALL blood test, DEXAscan, and other test results so that we can compare trends over time. PCPs and surgeons look at only one set of results at a time, and what looks good on first glance might actually be a poor result for you if the result has fallen to a low-normal range from a high-normal or normal place FOR YOU.<p>I'm sorry to lecture but I strongly believe that each of us has to own our own health. Most of our doctors will be retired by the time osteoporosis is likely to set in from deficient calcium... they will not see the results of their recommendations. You will, though, when you are 45 years old and have a broken hip. I hope this helps you to re-think your supplement regime. Vitamin, mineral, and protein supplementation requirements are one of the great silent areas about this surgery; many people have no idea what they're getting themselves into for the rest of their lives when they have this surgery because nobody tells them and they don't know to ask. Good luck, and feel free to email me, or to do research on www.vitalady.com if you have more questions about post-op nutritional requirements. Open RNY 09/17/01, 310/128/125, perfect blood work AND DEXAscan :-)
   — Julia Z.

December 1, 2002
HI LISA... JUST READ YOUR POST...I AM TAKING A PRODUCT CALLED SEASILVER THAT IS A COMPLETE LIQUID NUTRITION INCLUDING CALCIUM AND ABSORBS DIRECTLY TO YOUR BLOODSTREAM WITH 98% ABSORBTION...PLEASE CHECK OUT MY WEBSITE AT http://www.myseasilver.com/HEALTHBABE THERE IS ALOT MORE INFO THERE....
   — KATHY C.

December 1, 2002
Lisa, I just had surgery on 11/26. My surgeon suggested I take Flintstone Chewable Complete 2 tablets a day for my vitiamns. For my Calcium he suggested tums. Hope this has helped.
   — Lana Rush




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