Question:
I can eat 3 slices of pizza and more - WAY TOO MUCH - What's up with that??
— TBarr (posted on February 7, 2005)
February 7, 2005
you are streching your pouch that is why keep it up and all that money and
time that when in to the surgery will be worthless
— rivercity4000
February 7, 2005
Can you eat that much of other foods too? For some reason, I am able to
more than usual amounts of pizza and pasta. A lot of people cannot
tolerate bread or pasta but it soothes my tummy and it's what I turn to
when I cannot eat protein or anything else. Maybe that's you too. My
pouch isn't stretched out, it's just that for some strange reason, my pouch
likes pizza and pasta. If you eat normal amounts of other foods, I
wouldn't worry about it, just don't eat pizza for every meal!! :)
— [Deactivated Member]
February 7, 2005
Please do not eat all that pizza!! You should not even be thinking about
pizza!!
Stay with protein! Don't waste all of what you have gone through. YOU MUST
CHANGE YOUR EATING HABBITS!!
This surgery is just a tool to get you started ... you still have to do
alot of work to make it happen, and STAY THAT WAY!!
The best advice i can give you is to go get help... join a support
group... and have 1 on 1 counseling,,
I wish you all the best
— angelina1970
February 7, 2005
What size pizza? Like Pizza Hut size slices or NY size slices? A slice of
Pizza Hut pizza is only 4 oz. And it is very soft. So in theory a 6 oz
pouch might be able to hold more than 6 oz of softer food.
3 pieces of pizza is 12 oz (and this is the small pizza hut size) and
usually about 900 calories or more. Those little slices are very calorie
dense.
I don't agree with the people saying don't eat pizza. Not like you eat it
every day. I am 20 mos post op and have had pizza 5 times. Just realize
if you eat it, it is way more calories than you're usually eating, then eat
accordingly for the rest of the day.
— mrsmyranow
February 7, 2005
I didn't see how far post op you are. Couldn't access your
profile. I am 3 months post op. I can only eat the toppings off of a
small slice. I guess I just cant eat bread yet, even a small amount of
pasta makes me feel soooo full. I just don't want to even try to eat
large amounts anymore, thats why i had the surgery ; to help me start over
and get rid of all the bad habits I had before of eating. Also I am too
scared to try to overeat. I just feel I am so lucky to have had this
surgery and a chance to do better with my eating habits and be healthier.
What do you think your pcp or surgeon would tell you about eating so much?
Good Luck!
— taterbug898
February 7, 2005
I think you're perfectly normal. Some days I am a bottomless pit, on other
days...just a couple of bites and I'm done. Sometimes with pizza,
especially if its one of those wonderful thin crispy crust delights, I can
easily do 3 pieces. Relax! As long as you're not eating pizza 3-4 times a
day and nothing else, you'll probably be fine. The scale will let you
know. Enjoy that pizza from time to time....a piece here and there will not
hurt you.
— chelle3081
February 7, 2005
First lets evaluate the situation here
1. did you eat just the topping of the pizza or the whole entire bread and
topping?
2. how big were the slices?
3. did you get full but continue to eat because it tasted good or were u
still hungry till you finished the 3rd piece?
Take into consideration these questions here. There could be a # of
reasons why you were able to eat all that but until we know more about the
amount you ate its hard to say. I am 3 yrs out and can only eat one slice
of an entire pizza or i can eat the topping of 2 slices. I get very full
very quick. but it also depends on the food im eating. If you were able
to eat 3 regular slices of pizza, topping and bread, I would have to say
yes that is way to much, even at my stage, at least this is my opinion but
only a dr can give facts. If it was just the topping it depends on your
stage. What you can do, is request that your pouch be measured so you can
see how big it is and why our able to eat that much. In the mean time,
limit your quanity so that you dont stretch your tummy. Good luck
— Deanna Wise
February 7, 2005
Well, i agree with some of them. I believe it depends on the type and size
the pizza. I am almost two years out and maintain my same weight for
almost the whole past year. Although I cannot eat that much pizza, i am
lucky to get 1-2 pieces down -- its ok on occassion. i have a harder time
with bread. For example... I can only eat one soft taco, maybe 1.5 at the
utmost most depending on how full it is -- HOWEVER just last night i could
eat 3 hardshell tacos -- it was all in the difference in the shell types.
Be wary of three pieces but just remember you just might not be able to do
that next time depending on a variety of factors. That is true for alot of
different things I eat.
good luck! Kerry -135 lbs., lapRNY 4/22/03
— Kerry R.
February 7, 2005
What kind of surgery did you have, how long ago, were you transected?
Also, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD (no matter how big or
small the slice). Remember, NO BREAD, NO SUGAR, NO MILK.
— SJP
February 7, 2005
I have days I can eat more than others. As far as one poster saying *no
milk* I drink with my dieticians blessings 24 oz of skim milk a day, am at
goal, did not drink protein drinks and blood work is great.Everything in
moderation is my motto..Works for me.
— Kathy S.
February 7, 2005
Remember the first 18 months is the GOLDEN period... Wait another couple
years and see how the "moderation" w/no protein shakes theory
works.
SJP
263/118
— SJP
February 7, 2005
Hum....not to sound critical, but with no profile it makes me think twice
before giving my opinion. When was your surgery date and some background
info so that people that read your question will have a little bit more to
go on.
— Belle
February 7, 2005
I am 18.5 months out and can eat 1 peice. Though with Pizza Hut I can get
in 1.5 peices. I rarely eat bread or pasta, to me it is a waste and there
are other things I would eat that might be just as bad but tastier. lol
— TheresaC
February 8, 2005
I had my surgery 3 yrs ago and started out at 388. I am 5'9 and got down
to 230 at one point. I am now at 247. I don't eat pizza very often and
pretty much stick to the "rules", but I think that if I can eat 3
slices of pizza even at 3 yrs out something is wrong. I should be throwing
up or feeling stuffed or something.
I also think that after having the WLS I should be able to get closer to my
"chart" goal weight which is 168. Wouldn't u think?
— TBarr
February 8, 2005
I can't comment on the pizza thing as I hate pizza, but...
"Remember, NO BREAD, NO SUGAR, NO MILK." WTH?? This cracks me up,
I have not had to "NEVER" eat anything, I eat everything in
moderation. I am at goal (my BMI is 24.6 and it was 60 when I started) and
I have eaten everything in moderation. I do eat protein first. If I was
sooo good at staying away from all these things why did I need surgery?
Don't tell this fat girl she CAN'T have something because that is all I
want. So for me I have never told my self that I could not have something.
Just make sure I get my protein in first and if there is room left over, I
may have a treat!
Hazel
Lap RNY 02/05/03
325/138/???
— Haziefrog
February 8, 2005
LOL. You are opening your mouth and eating all of it. That's what's up
with that?? Why did you have the surgery?
— SpyderS
February 8, 2005
One of the goals for surgery is to use the first 18 months to change your
behavior. If you're still eating bread, sugar, and YES milk (look at the
sugar content)or PIZZA then you haven't changed your behavior. The stats
aren't good for the future and weight gain... and if you haven't changed
your eating behavior then you should expect to be on the GAINING side of
those stats.
— SJP
February 8, 2005
tana, I am 2/2 months post op I can hardley eat a thing. I have to keep
going back to liquids . went to Dr. told him I was weak ,but diabetis gone
and I am down 47Lbs but when i eat I am sick more now.All tests came out
normal except we are still waiting on urine which is very dark and very
little seems to come possible infection or dehydration. My skin does not
look so good as it did before now it looks like chicken skin with wrinkles
but I will take it becsu4e I am down 3 dress sizes and have given away tons
of clothes even bought some to grow into WAS LOTS of Fun!! At first I did
better but now any solids make me throw up or have my somach ache. I still
do not think I have had the dumping syndrom but I may have once. I do not
like throwing up how little it may be. My son owns a pizza parlor I havent
been in 3 months Id die for one bite but am afraid of everything. Wendy
— WENDY M.
February 9, 2005
Ok I wasn't going to say anything more on this subject but after reading
some of these posts I had to respond in Tana's defense, for those of you
that were just down right negative, get a grip, don't tell me you NEVER eat
the things that you crave, we are humans and we have needs and desires, so
she at pizza woopie fricken doo, I eat pizza at least once a week and I eat
whatever my heart desires, and I am doing good with my weight loss. Did
you ever think that there could be a problem with her pouch and not her
mouth? She isn't eating in gobs everyday this was a one time thing, she
came here for support not to be negatively judged......
— Deanna Wise
February 9, 2005
In the long run, frequently eating foods that are empty calories do us more
harm then the initial pleasure of their taste. Check the overall health,
amount regained, etc. in 5 years. You can tell the difference in which
people made long-term behavior modification or ate "whatever" and
lost weight anyway - a year or two post-op is not long compared to the rest
of our lives. We might not see or feel the effects of poor nutrition a
month or two after we "misbehave", but the re-inforcement of
"nothing bad happens if I have 3 pieces of pizza" can lull us
into a dangerous sense of security.... and a repeating pattern that means
pounds and bad lab results.<br>
Remember that some stats say that only 50%-75% maintain a weight-loss of
70% excess body weight. The small pouch is only a tool, so use it to its
advantage.
— kultgirl
February 9, 2005
To Spyder and SPJ -
I don't think either one of you should respond to any question if you can't
be more helpful and less negative. I am appalled at your responses. This
is supposed to be a place of support for those having trouble.
Thanks to those who are encouraging and genuinely concerned and have
offered support here. I appreciate each of you.
— TBarr
February 9, 2005
Hi!! First off I would like to say to those who responded that this
question is posed because it is an issue. If you can't eat more than a
bite of anything, well good for you, more power to you, but that isn't what
the person is asking. It is sad that when one of us asks a question,
instead of giving good advice, some of you jump on the "I'm the
perfect WLS patient" wagon. Who cares if you can't eat more than one
bite. Toot your horn elsewhere please. Your not helping and actually are
probably making the person asking the question feel like a failure because
they aren't like you!
As for your question, I'm not sure how far you are out, but it is possible
to eat more, especially softer foods, and no your are not stretching your
pouch. Maybe at the time you are eating you are, but just like a normal
stomach, your pouch will return to the size it normally is when empty.
When you overeat, your limb that is attached to the pouch can hold food,
because you are eating too much. The food is being pushed out of the pouch
and through the limb. That's why it seems that your pouch can hold more,
but in reality some of that pizza, probably the first slice are in the
limb. I can agree with those posters that said you probably should go
back to the basics. We all fall off of the healthy wagon, and anyone that
says that they haven't or never will is just kidding themselves. Just
start over and you will be fine. Good luck to you!!
— Carey N.
February 9, 2005
I find that if I eat a food that is very high in carbs, my pouch is like a
bottomless pit. Our bodies process carbs very quickly, unlike protein which
stays with us for much longer. Say the pizza is 12 oz. There is no way in
heck you could eat 12 oz of chicken, I'm sure. I just ate 2 1/2 pieces of
pizza on Super Bowl Sunday and I am just over 2 years out. This is much
less than the 4 pieces plus dessert I used to have pre-op.
— Yolanda J.
February 9, 2005
I'm sorry that you didn't like my response. But the truth is there are
things we are not SUPPOSED to eat. For those that say they don't close the
door on anything does that include sugar? How about high fat food? Food
is a slippery slope... that is how most of us ended up needing the surgery
to begin with.
Now, my first post was meant for the original question. The others were
responses to others "answering" your question.
— SJP
February 9, 2005
Tana, in my original post I asked if you were transected? I can't email
you privately so can you post you answer here? Also, how far out from
surgery are you?
— SJP
February 9, 2005
I think we all need to calm down and take a step back-- Tana, I would
encourage you to take an inventory of everyone's suggestions and be
brutally honest with yourself if your pouch is fine-- are you eating due to
head hunger, boredom, loneliness, etc? Are you eating like this all the
time? If it's a once in a while thing or rarer, I think you should just let
it go--we're all human and we all fall off the wagon at some point. The
trick is to get back in line and keep making healthy choices. And since
pizza isn't a dense food, it's easier to eat more of it. If you have had
WLS and you choose to continue to eat foods that are obviously not healthy,
then that is your decision and you will eventually face the consequences.
Now, please don't flame me for this but: I think what some people are
getting tired of -- myself included-- are questions like these from
long-term post-ops who should know better. If you can eat 3 pieces of pizza
after having WLS, yeah, there's something wrong. And it's usually not the
pouch-- it's the person. I find it irritating when when a persaon who DOES
NOT EVEN HAVE THE COURTESY TO HAVE AN AVAILABLE PROFILE asks a very general
question like this without providing any info, and then gets upset when
someone gives an honest answer. Just my 2 cents.
— lizinPA
February 9, 2005
SJP - I stated that I eat what I want but I want to clarify something, I do
limit my portions,fat, sugar, and carb intake..I do not deprive my body by
cutting them completely out of my life, and my body is very good at telling
me enough is enough .. I have learned a great deal of how much I can handle
because if I so much as go over my limit or make the wrong choice for that
certain day my body has no problem letting me know...everyone is told by
their surgeon what to eat and what to not eat, sometimes its not always the
same menu per surgeon
— Deanna Wise
February 9, 2005
Good reply Beth Nolan, and I second everything you said. Also, I have to
agree with the no profile thing. It's hard to take someone serious when
they do not have a profile to read anything about them. To the original
poster, sorry if you took offence, but when you ask questions like that,
you are going to get some replies from people that want YOU to look at your
problem. We can't solve your problems. And frankly, if you know eating 3
slices is way too much... then why do you do it? You still have not
answered that question. To be honest (since you were honest to me), I was
appauled when I read your question as you were when you read my reply back.
Spyder
— SpyderS
February 9, 2005
There was really not enough information given in the question and no
information in the profile for anyone to give an informed response. My
question is not only how far out the poster is, but how many ounces she is
eating and how long it takes her to eat three slices of pizza.
— Lisa N M.
February 9, 2005
Spyder, in my opinion your first response was counterproductive. The
person who asked the question had the surgery for the same reason that you
did. To physically restrict her eating so that she could lose weight
because she had difficulty doing so by her own means. This surgery changes
the stomach, but it does not change the mind. She might have issues (much
like most of us) on why and how much she eats. I know you have been cured
of your eating habits, but your surgery was not so long ago that you don't
remember how it was to have issues with overeating, do you?
— Lisa N M.
February 10, 2005
I've already answered the question about how far out I am - 3 yrs and 5
mons. out. I was not transected. I don't know what the big deal is about
not having a profile. I didn't know that was a requirement for getting
help and encouragement from here. If you started out at a much higher
weight and didn't reach your goal - you may have some of the same questions
that I am having right now. So if you are appalled at my question, then
you can't help me so just leave me alone and go help someone who meets your
criteria for help.
— TBarr
February 10, 2005
Tana--it's not that having a profile is required. It just helps us give you
the best answers, suggestions, encouragement that we can. Everyone who
posts here deserves help. The people here want to help you. But our advice
would be different to a new post-op than a long-term post-op, and it would
have been nice to have the info available. That may have helped avoid some
of the responses that you don't like.
— lizinPA
February 10, 2005
Tana, since you were not transected it's possible that you have a SLD
(staple line disruption). I would suggest you go see your surgeon and have
a scope done. If you do have a SLD and it is affecting your weight loss
they you may need a revision. Is the pizza thing something unusual for you
or have you noticed that you can eat more in a sitting?
— SJP
February 11, 2005
I probably could eat three slices of pizza very slowly. I'm almost three
years out and sometimes it seems like I can eat a lot and then there are
other times when I eat something like a couple of slices of deli meat and
cheese rolled up together and am writhing in pain. (Like now.) My doctor
said its normal to eat more some days then others and I've found that to be
true. I also know that when I eat fast. I get full quicker. I know you
are supposed to eat slowly, but sometimes, especially if its something that
I know I should not be eating, I'll eat fast, because I find I'll eat less
of it. Then when I'm full its easier for me to discard it and not save it
to eat it later. You are three years out and you can eat
more then when you first had the surgery. Staple line disruptions are
rare, but if you are concerned, you can talk to your doctor about it.
— Lisa N M.
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