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califsleevin
on 10/31/20 8:35 am - CA
Topic: RE: OriginallyAnyone have GS conversion to DS with no gall bladder

Our surgeon routinely takes the gall bladder out as part of their DS, so all their instructions are premised upon that, but they are little different than I see from anyone else on these forums (my wife had her DS 15+years ago; I still have my GB as I only had the VSG, where they normally leave it in unless they feel stones in there during surgery.) Eggs should be fine if they are on your prescribed diet at this point, though they are one of those foods that some will have problems with irrespective the WLS they had.

People can tolerate different things at different times during their progression, and there doesn't seem to be any correlation to what was done surgically (GB, no GB, DS, RNY, VSG, etc.) so it is just something of an experimental time. Our general direction was to try new foods one at a time to test for tolerance - if they went down fine, great, but if they didn't, try it again in a week or two. So, it is really hard to tell what you will tolerate when based upon someone else's experience.

The diarrhea may just be a function of liquid in/liquid out at this point, though there may be some lactose intolerance creeping in (though Greek yogurt is usually well tolerated) At this early stage your GI tract is still figuring out how to work again (as are the little buggers that make up your gut biome) so most anything can be expected for a while; I was constipated with a fluid drive for a while in the first week or two.

1st support group/seminar - 8/03 (has it been that long?)  

Wife's DS - 5/05 w Dr. Robert Rabkin   VSG on 5/9/11 by Dr. John Rabkin

 

Janet P.
on 10/31/20 2:57 am
Topic: RE: Lightweight DS

I was never scared of the DS. I am almost 18 years post-op but I was also in my mid-40's when I chose to have WLS. I guess I'm the opposite of PattyL - I've had issues absorbing certain vitamins even though I am very compliant with everything related to the DS and have been since before day 1. I've been at my goal weight for 16 of those 18 years and have no trouble maintaining my weight. I eat a ton of protein but also eat a ton of carbs - it's finding the balance that works for me. Sometimes I feel like my life revolves around food but I'm ok with that ;)

I have battled iron deficiency anemia for almost the entire time. I was fortunate to find a great hematologist who understood malabsorption and has worked with me for years. The last infusion has lasted almost 3 years :) I also have osteoporosis. I don't know if it's related to the DS or genetics - probably a little of both. I've tried Reclast but that didn't work. I'm currently working with my doctor to try another drug. I take a ton of vitamins and now that I'm approaching retirement age, I honestly think about how I'm going to maintain this when I'm 85-90 years old.

Yes you are a lightweight. Interestingly I am 5'2" (I used to be 5'3" but the osteoporosis) and weigh about 150. I am "overweight" according to the BMI calculator. IMHO the BMI is BS - it means nothing. Outside of the saggy skin (I did have a TT and a breast lift) life is good. You're 1 inch shorter and only weigh 18 pounds more than I do. How low do you expect to go with the DS?

I hope you hear from others who are in a similar situation as you. What I've read on these boards and heard from others is that some people don't lose as much as they had hoped for when doing the switch in two parts. No one seems to know why. Some are successful (losing the weight they wanted to), but some are not.

Janet in Leesburg
DS 2/25/03
Hazem Elariny
-175

lightweightds
on 10/30/20 9:40 pm
Topic: RE: Lightweight DS

Thank you both for taking time out to respond, I really appreciate your support and advice.

White Dove
on 10/30/20 2:42 pm - Warren, OH
Topic: RE: Lightweight DS

You have to decide what is most important to you in life and then go for that. If you get DS, then you realistically have to accept all of the things that you wrote about. At 40 years old, there is a good chance that you will be living with DS for another 60 years.

Just my suggestion. Why not try to go six months with no white foods? No potatoes, pasta, cookies, cake, chips, bread, flour, sugar, rice, or cereal. Eat dense protein and high fat only. Also no fruits and only non-starchy vegetables. This is what you will need to do for life to be successful with the surgery.

You may not lose any weight, but you will see how well you can handle that type of diet. Surgery is going to give you the malabsorption, but also the vitamin and bathroom issues.

Real life begins where your comfort zone ends

PattyL
on 10/30/20 11:00 am
Topic: RE: Lightweight DS

Well, you know you better than anyone else does. I was in the same boat. I could do a 500/600 cal per day diet and lose weight very slowly but eating that little was not sustainable for me long term. I couldn't keep off the weight. I am a superabsorber. Probably just like you.

I had the DS almost 20 years ago and I would do it once a year if I had to. Being a superabsorber makes you less likely to have serious deficiencies and I have yet to have one. I have never had a problem postop. I do take my supplements and it is just a habit. Not a big deal. I just do it.

I never got much of a free ride. I still have to diet and I have just accepted the fact that I am low carb for life. If I do what I am supposed to do, my weight is manageable. I can't cope with eternal deprivation so I give myself cheat days on holidays and out of town vacations. I have to have something to look forward to. On those days, I eat NOTHING healthy. Doing this makes it possible for me to stay low carb. Halloween is tomorrow(YAY) and I am probably having au gratin potatoes, pasta, and several desserts/candy. And I don't feel bad about it either because I have not eaten ANY crap food since Labor Day.

I am now an old bag. I just look like a normal old bag. All these freaking years later, I am STILL trying to get down to a normal BMI and OMG...I am so close I can taste it. For the first time, I think I will actually make it before I drop dead. The shock will probably kill me...

Anyway, if I was in your shoes, I would do it. Good luck!

lightweightds
on 10/30/20 6:31 am
Topic: Lightweight DS

I am so terrified....

But also grateful for this forum and folks who have travelled this road ahead to report back both hope and sanity.

I had the VSG, weighing in approximately at 185 pounds back in 2015. I was almost 200 at 5'1, but lost about 15 pounds before surgery. I did great for about 3 years (125 was my home for awhile) and then increments of 5-10 pound shots, I rose up again and now weight 168.

I firmly believe obesity is a disease and that our bodies, maybe more nature than even nurture, hold onto fat much more effectively than others. I don't think it's just this simple minded "move more, eat less," equation that is the recipe for success.

So I decided, I could sit around at 40 years old and watch my weight skyrocket back to 200 and perhaps plus, or do something about it. Now, most people will say, start working out and eating right you lazy porker. But, not only have I done this (I recently started to work with a personal trainer 2 times a week as well), and I've found that the type of diet I would need to be on in order to stay in a normal BMI range is unrealistically unsustainable. There, I said it, I know most of America wants us fatties to "get our act together" and "just be more disciplined" and lose the weight. Diets do not work, but adherence to a different lifestyle vis a via the DS is obtainable, a hard road, but possible nevertheless.

But I am scared. I know, it's normal. The diarrhea, the keep-up with protein (hello carb junkies out there), focus on hydration, the surprise runs to the bathroom before you poop your pants (oh ****z we are in a pandemic, where is an open bathroom anyway if you are out and about in public!?! Yikes.), the vitamins. I am mostly scared I am making poor decision because at 168 (albeit a little 5'1 meatball) it's really hard for folks to muster any kind of real understanding for why someone not way way tipping that scale would DS it. You know? It's like "omg, get it together, how sad she has to mess with her intestines." (said in a very valley girl accent, without say)

The vitamin regimen scares me, the annual obligatory lab work, DS is not a set-it-forget-it lifestyle and from my research, really requires serious adherence. VSG is much more crockpot, but DS is higher level tool. I also don't hear from folks (I think, and correct me if I am mistaken, but the first DS was in 1988?) who are over 20+ out there. Life expectancy? Considering my BMI is not 40 and above (yet, I am aware this is a progressive disease), it is easy to debate this back and forth, agh...I am driving myself a little nuts and damn it...I am terrified.

Sound off with reassure (or not) should the post compel and time allow.

Janet P.
on 10/27/20 5:44 am
Topic: RE: OriginallyAnyone have GS conversion to DS with no gall bladder

I still have my GB so I'm sorry I can't help you with that. I'm assuming you're on soft foods or are you still on pureed (sorry it's been a long time for me). Depending on the instructions you got from your surgeon, a soft scrambled egg should be OK. Literally start with one small bite and see how it feels. Did you get resleeved? That's going to help with restriction. If you didn't you'll need to take things slowly on your own. Like others have said, your intestines are newly rearranged and need time to heal. Follow your surgeon's guidelines with food progression.

You now need to focus on protein. Have you looked into protein shakes at all? Other good soft DS friendly foods besides soft scrambled eggs is cottage cheese or ricotta cheese. Greek yogurt is great because it's high in protein.

Janet in Leesburg
DS 2/25/03
Hazem Elariny
-175

White Dove
on 10/27/20 1:39 am - Warren, OH
Topic: RE: OriginallyAnyone have GS conversion to DS with no gall bladder

After surgery that changes your intestines, changes in your elimination occur. When I had my gallbladder out, my surgeon said he did not expect me to see any changes, because I did not eat any fats. When my sister had hers out, she had a bad time with diarrhea. She was used to eating butter and fried foods. She had to learn not to eat them.

After RNY, I have had problems with constipation and with diarrhea. I have Imodium, stool softeners, Dulcolax, Miralax, suppositories, Pepto Bismol, Citrucel, Benefiber, magnesium supplements, milk of magnesia, Ex lax, GasX, Smooth Move tea, and magnesium citrate.

There are periods where I am fine with one magnesium tablet, or a small dose of Miralax. There times when I need other treatments. I think of my body like a car that worked perfectly well until it was in an accident and repaired again. It has never completely worked like before the malabsorption surgery.

With DS, you are going to be eating a lot of fat. Because you have no gallbladder, you are going to probably need something to balance your system so that you do not have chronic diarrhea. You need to work with your surgeon and see what it will take to regulate your system again.

DS is a much greater change to your intestines than RNY. You will need to find out what foods and supplements keep you closest to normal bowel movements. Your new normal will probably be different than your pre-surgery normal.

People who have had DS can give you much better information than I can.

Real life begins where your comfort zone ends

PattyL
on 10/26/20 2:18 pm
Topic: RE: OriginallyAnyone have GS conversion to DS with no gall bladder

Diarrhea is pretty normal right after surgery. Probably has nothing to do with the GB removal. Your body needs time to adapt to it's new configuration and malabsorbtion. The sleeve is really just a diet with a smaller stomach. What you have now is brand new and much more powerful. Diarrhea should be treated. Ask your doc for meds. I took Imodium with no problems.

charlotte924
on 10/26/20 1:37 pm - orlando, FL
Topic: OriginallyAnyone have GS conversion to DS with no gall bladder

I'm 5 days post op after having GS conversion to DS plus gall bladder removal. Anyone experience this and how long was recovery and what are you able to tolerate in foods now? I'm having extreme diarrhea after any lil meal. I'm just eating Greek yogurt, unsweetened applesauce. I really want some egg's but I'm not sure they will stay. Any advice is greatly appreciated

GS done 10 years ago

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