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on 12/30/07 12:14 pm - NE
My experience with these items is the same as yours. I have had 2 EGD's, don'****er load, exercise because I want to, take NSAID's, use a straw when I want, chew and eat normally, etc., etc. I am glad that people have options, but generalizations about RNY can be as inaccurate as generalizations about DS, lap band, and so on.
hayley_hayley
on 12/30/07 12:31 pm
you said:  ESTIMATE---milage may vary---from person to person--these figures are NOT written in stone---three are RNYers out there that have lost 100+% of their excess weight. How are you saying anything different than what I said?  I said it is EXPECTEd, VARIER, and is an ESTIMATE.  Please read more carefully.  RNY must exercise and diet to maintain weight loss after 5 years NO they MUST NOT..... it helps as in any weight loss plan > I will consider changing this. I will change the word "must" to make it less definate.  > After 5 years is when we see most people struggle with regain Please visit the revision board.  Doctor evaluation: cannot use an endoscope (to find ulcers and tumors) FALSE____many RNY have EDG's for diagnosis---like other people--WHERE did you get this info?? I've personally had TWO EDG's post -op You can not use an endoscope to view the blind stomach.  I'll get you more information on this tomorrow - im using a different computer. PM me to remind me to get you this info.  Cannot take Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory drugs (NSAID). FALSE--they can be taken under a doctors guidance..... I take them about once a month-- PM me and I can send you information on the dangers of taking NSAIDs with your blind stomach.  I will also change the word cannot to should not.  you said:  recommended time is now the first 6 months following surgery. not from my research. please send me this information and i will correct.  you said:  DUMPING IS A TOOL---negative reinforcement that many of us need to remind us to not eat foods  - I will not say that dumping is positive or negative. I will state what it is and what it looks like. The reader can determind whether or not they think they would like to have this experience (since some RNYers do not share your adoration for dumping).  you said:  chewed to a liquid?? recommended for early post ops you said:  To get food unstuck, patients drink meat tenderizer mixed with water.  NEVER had to do that This is a recommended by doctors. Glad you have never had to do this. Others have.  you said:  Not encouraged to use a straw (pushes food too quickly through the stomach and can cause gas/discomfort)  FALSE---I was given straws in the hospital NOT ENCOURAGED b/c it can cause gas and move food too quickly.  I will consider putting in a disclaimer that not all doctors will agree.   you said:  Water Loading---HOGWASH look it up, it is a practice to help people feel full. Doesnt say anyone HAS to do it. Just a technique some people use.  you said:  RNY – Possible Issues ALL of the below issues----DSer's have too.  Let's not make this one sided. I didnt. If you read further I have vitamin deficiencies as a "DS - possible issue" as well.

Minus 202 pounds; Height=5'10.5; Plastic Surgery = arms; Pant: 24 to 4/6; Top 3x to sm/med, I My DS! .

sandyfeets
on 12/30/07 12:41 pm - Jacksonville, FL
I'll avoid PMing you---your information is one sided and biased ... and inaccurate in many places....you keep using old rhetoric... your research needs MUCH updating.

I've done my research and chose my surgery. I am happy with it as are MANY other RNY patients.

QUIT trying to scare the people that are pre-op.

There is a militant group of DSers that use scare tactics. YOU seem to be of that camp.

Then there are many that find that they can spread the word about their surgery without bashing the other kinds out there....
I notice time and time again, that LapBand and VGS is never mentioned---
They just keep slamming the RNY---over and over again.
It's time it stopped.
Leave the facts to the surgeons and bariatric professionals...
Also---spell check baby---spell check--your responses might be taken more seriously.


hayley_hayley
on 12/30/07 12:58 pm

As is your debunking and comprehension skills.  As i stated many times not every surgery is right for everyone and i never said choosing the RNY would make anyone unhappy.  Also...Stating information is hardly a scare tactic. I am glad you do not want information sent to you...seeing that i have to repeat everything to you (over and over again) like a 9 year old.  Bring the sources to prove me wrong (i am more than willing to update my information if valid sources are provided).  ps - block and you never see me again. very easy.

Minus 202 pounds; Height=5'10.5; Plastic Surgery = arms; Pant: 24 to 4/6; Top 3x to sm/med, I My DS! .

wendy_fou
on 12/30/07 1:33 pm - AR
>>you said:  Water Loading---HOGWASH look it up, it is a practice to help people feel full. Doesnt say anyone HAS to do it. Just a technique some people use. << So because some people have done something, you put it in your comparison like it is normal?  WTF is that?  I never even HEARD of "water loading" until I came on here and I have seen ALL different kinds of people post about it, but mostly NON-OPS. 
hayley_hayley
on 12/31/07 1:43 am
I have KNOW many people who use it. I sent my chart to many RNYers and the water loading was never questioned. So just because YOU havent heard of it, it must not be normal? In your words, "WTF is that?"  Rhetorical question...not really interested in your opinion.  I will however change the stoma size.  I am not against tweaking the chart, but i wont change something just b/c YOU have never heard of it.  Your replies were very ugly and rude so im sure this comes as no suprise to you...im blocking you.  For both our sakes...i do not like your tone and you clearly cannot respond in a polite way.  Whether you care that i am blocking you is not the point...I dont care how you feel about it. Just stating a fact....and that is that you r blocked so we no longer need to converse.  Hope you treat other people nicer in real life. Bye.

Minus 202 pounds; Height=5'10.5; Plastic Surgery = arms; Pant: 24 to 4/6; Top 3x to sm/med, I My DS! .

Dena W.
on 12/30/07 12:32 pm - Tarpon Springs, FL
I left a few things out of my post that you added that I wanted to comment on, too.  I use a straw daily ... no problems from it.  And I chew gum.  But not at the same time.  I'm not that coordinated. I still take Prevacid, 9 months postop.  I had GERD preop and still do.  I try to wean off of it occasionally, but still need it.   I chew, but don't chew my food til it's liquid.  Yuck. I don't take NSAIDs ... because I don't need them any longer, thank goodness!  I have an occasional headache which Tylenol is more than capable of treating.  No need for Motrin since the weight loss has taken away the chronic pain I used to have. I was told by a bariatric surgeon TODAY that he does endoscopies on RNY patients.  I wouldn't let just any yahoo do it, mind you.  He's a bariatric surgeon and knows that he's doing.  I wouldn't let an ER doc or nurse put an NG tube in my nose, either ... but I'd let my bariatric surgeon do it.  I am a nurse and wouldn't want to put an NG tube down the nose of a bariatric patient.  No way, no how.  But I'm no bariatric surgeon.
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Rotten Ronni
on 12/31/07 3:30 am - DFW, TX
EGDs can be done on RNY patients. Viewing the pouch is no harder than viewing the stomach of a non-op. However, it can be difficult to scope into the blind stomach. If the intestines are torturous, the doctor may not be able to manuever the scope into the blind stomach. Ronni

 

LosingSally
on 12/30/07 5:10 pm
Sandyfeets, just to add to your debunking of the lies and mis-information about RNY..... NIPHS is NOT dumping syndrome.  NIPHS occurs rarely in the general population. It also has occurred more rarely among 2-3 of those who have had RNY.  Reactive hypoglycemia is also NOT NIPHS. 

NIPHS is a rare cause of adult onset hyperinsulinaemic hypoglycaemia with islet hypertrophy/nesidioblastosis, but without mutations in the ABBC8 and KCNJ11 genes coding for the beta cell KATP-channel subunits SUR1 and Kir6.2. NIPHS patients with GCK mutations have never been described.  This description mentions a genetic cause, and doesn't rule out a genetic cause among the 2-3 who have been diagnosed with NIPHS after RNY. Haley-Haley along with a very few others have some kind of problem that requires them to feel superior, so have apparently chosen this forum to act out on this problem. Seems to me that touting the virtures of DS could stand alone, without negativity or outright lies about a surgery she hasn't had. For some reason this doesn't seem to occur to those who are having the problem, they can't seem to focus on their message, unless their message is as Val said that RNYers are damaged goods.  What I have seen since reading this site are a small group of bullies who don't care who they hurt, or how they make vunerable people feel. Their disclaimers in the signature is pretty much worthless, and doesn't excuse or exeronate them from their actions.

Donna P.
on 12/30/07 11:56 am, edited 12/30/07 11:58 am - Eureka, CA
The decision to have surgery, let alone which surgery should be between the person wanting it and their Dr. There are pro's and con's to ANY WLS.....simple truth. I have a friend who had DS. She has lost about 70-75% of her excess weight and looks and feels great! She does however have to deal with the terrible gas and other bowel related issues associated with a procedure that relies largely on malabsorbtion. I say to each his own. BTW......I am an RNY and was at goal ie lost 100 %(actually a bit over 100%) of my excess weight at less than 13 months out. I am glad you love your DS....I love my RNY.

Anthony Gene my beloved brother 11/8/1957- 2/21/2007
Jalina Laynne angel granddaughter  2/1/2007- 7/4/2007
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God bless and keep you all til we are together again. I love you always and forever!!!!
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