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In one of your 3 edits of this post, do you think you could have possibly gotten my name spelled correctly?

I'd think since you've edited this twice since I've posted my response, you would have read that.  But I guess not.

I *do* have academic sources.  Read my post.  Duh.  Hell, I have a stack of things to read that is about 3 inches thick from ACADEMIC SOURCES, including notes from someone who went to the ASMBS meeting in June (who happens to be in the bariatric field), notes from the New England Journal of Medicne, articles from DUKE (yeah.. not very academic.. all they do is play Lacrosse over there), etc.

So go ahead.  Try to rag my "academic sources".  Have fun with that.

Andrea (think I got it right this time)

I can't judge their credibility because I don't know where they are, where you got them or what your education is.  What database are you using when you do your searches?

I am judging by what I saw which was wikipedia - hardly the holy grail of accurate info.  Why not just buy a bottle of Flinstones and read off the ingrediants when you decide to crap on someone dumb enough to bring the topic up?

Then maybe you could stick pins in it and or have one of your Viking children invoke the hammer of Thor to curse the bad people who make them forever.

I'm sorry to hear that you don't like "sheeple" - I think that was supposed to be people.  I do like people and I take issue when vulnerable people recovering from major surgery get their heads handed to them just for being new and maybe a little dumb just like I was.

So put that in your Elk Horn and blow it.





 

Sheeple.  No, I typed that correctly.  Look it up, get an education.

As for the whole "viking lines"?  You are the one perpetuating it.  Notice not one mention of my children.  Thanks for bringing them up, though.. aren't they adorable?  I'm not bringing them up to use Voodoo dolls.. that's not part of the Nordic traditions (especially since the Nordic countries converted to Christianity several thousand years ago)..  But really, nice try.

I used Wiki *once* to quickly pull RDA's.  And considering it is an average of the *many* RDA's commonly used (let you check and see how many age groups have RDA's.. again, it would be good for you to do some research on your own), it was good accurate information.

Go along now.. find some more of my posts that you can try to rip to shreds.  I can provide links for you if you'd like.

I have an education that I am pretty happy with thanks. 

I do appreciate the new vocabulary word you gave me.  Sheeple - I had never heard that before.  But now I'm really confused.  If you hate sheeple, wouldn't the people who agree with you be sheeple?  I think that those who stand up for themselves in the midst of being crapped on, even if their original premise is somewhat misguided, are anti sheeple.

Aren't you doing the sheeple thing by going over to the R&R board to whine about this thread and thus garner support from the collective mind to bolster your own views?  And are they not responding to you with their gleeful vitriol because you are one of the "in crowd" there, not because they have in fact, processed the issue themselves in a critical way and come to their own conclusions?  Is the dissent really because of a worthwhile topic to dissent about it or just because the "lets take a dump on someone" flag has been raised?  Sounds like sheeple to me.

But back to topic - what databases are you using for the peer reviewed stuff?  Just curious.  I'd be happy to share mine if you share yours.

And yes, your children are beautiful.  You are blessed. most definately, and you sound like a very good Mom.  I was actaully really glad to see a picture of them.  They are really cute.  I have a 4 year old and a 3 year old.  They were pre-op.  I was too old for more at the time of surgery so I just went ahead and had my tubes tied on the day of the operation to assure that there would be no accidents.  We have given some thought to adoption though.  Seeing your beautiful baby boy is definately an enticement for wanting another one.  On that point I have no arguement with you whatsoever. 

I actually don't need to go back and look up your posts.  I was just posting from memory of what I have read.  You do bring up the Viking think a lot when people mention your rudeness.  You seem to think that being a Viking equates to calling people idiots, morons, etc. 

And I believe you did tell me that I did not know how to raise Vikings on one occassion, despite knowing nothing of my ethnicity.  

So Andrea(got it right that time too), don't do the big bad BrunHilda thing in your posts and then take issue when someone brings it up.  If you characterize yourself like that people will remember you by it.

Point by point.  It's feeding time and that's vastly more important.

"Sheeple - I had never heard that before.  But now I'm really confused.  If you hate sheeple, wouldn't the people who agree with you be sheeple?  I think that those who stand up for themselves in the midst of being crapped on, even if their original premise is somewhat misguided, are anti sheeple."

I've never *asked* people to follow me blindly.  Not a single time.  I don't go on there and say "Go beat up so and so."  Even on R&R.  Those folks know my intolerance for the lack of initiative that so many people have on this board and they understand why I litterally banged my head on the desk when all of this started.  Not kidding.  Ask my husband.  He's playing some video game on his computer and he asked what someone did now.

I *am* anti-sheeple.  I am against anyone who doesn't have the balls to:
1) stand up for themselves (which I think you have some good ones, btw..)
2) listen to anyone else and follow their word as gospel (including me).

Nowhere have I said "I am the vitamin God and thou shalt follow me" or something else to the regards.  People *****ad my posts to, you know, read them and not try to rip them apart, even know this.

"But back to topic - what databases are you using for the peer reviewed stuff?  Just curious.  I'd be happy to share mine if you share yours."

Actually, I have a whole bunch of hard copy.  Just looking at the first 10 articles on my desk to read are from:

- Bariatric surgery coordinator who gave me her notes from the ASMBS and handouts from said conference
- "Nutritional Implications of Bariatric Surgery" by Gail Cresci, MS, RD, CNSD
- Dietary Supplement Fact Sheet about B-12 from the Office of Dietary Supplements (that would be from the NIH, btw)
- "Thiamine Deficiency May Complicate Gastric Bypass" a CME article on Medscape, written by 2! MD's (Laurie Barclay and Charles Vega)
- The American Society for Bariatric Surgery's "Response to B12 Supplementation"
- From the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition - Official Journal of the American Society for Clinal Nutrition, Inc, "Nutrional deficiencies after Roux-en-Y gastric bypass for morbid obesity often cannot be prevented by standard multivitamin supplementation"
- Papers form an RD who is with the Section of Minimally Invasive and Bariatric Surgery, UCLA Division of General Surgery.. this is about a myriad of common postop supplementation issues
- From Nutrition Issues in Gastroenterology, "Small by Mighty: Selected Micronutrient Issues in Gastric Bypass Patients"

Is that enough?  I know published studies from UCLA don't trump Wikipedia.. but I'm trying.

I brought up the viking thing in response to stating that we are all suprior in something to someone else.  No, I shouldn't have said such without knowing your lineage.. but to be fair, how many folks from the country of Three Crowns hang around OH?  I know Rose-mari, and she's a transplant.. and I think she's way cool (I'm still hoping I can get her to help me make mazariner and kanalbullar more WLS friendly.. but she seems to have a life.. lucky her.

I am going to try and eat.  By reading my posts, you know I have 3 ulcers.  Eating hurts like hell and I don't look forward to it in any form or fashion.  So if I don't respond right away, you'll know I'm probably on the floor writing in pain over a protein drink.

Yeah, I'm passionate.  People think I'm rude.  But this is me IRL.  Really.  I don't make up anything online.. I am forthright and yes it ****** some people off.  But if I can keep one person from having so much pain from "melty bone disease" by enlightening them to following their own tests, then I think it's worth it.


And keep in mind.. the 2 year old only looks sweet and innocent.. but she's great birth control right now!  She's a bit stubborn and brash.. she's screwed since she got it from both parents.

She may be stubborn, but she is a pretty little thing.  I think that the little guy looks just like you.

I also don't think that you make stuff up.  If a person is not in academia, they do not have access to most medical databases.  It is hard for the average person to see a good, peer reviewed journal.  That is why I was wondering what you were using. 

Your message is good.  But I think that you can help people from your experience without the hostility.

Just speak the truth in love and walk away.  There is no reason to bang your head against a wall.  And IMHO going on and on about it on R&R just makes the churning worse not better for you.  What is the point?

I see that you got carafax for the ulcers.  When I had my weird allergic reaction, it was the only thing that helped me to eat.

The hostility and the message are separate issues and a lot of the time, one seems to overwhelm the other.

I respect you, but that is my opinion.

 

Yeah.. he does.  He's got my genes and I'm afraid he's going to battle obesity his entire life like I did.  My daughter is *litterally* smaller than my thigh.  I was doing measurements and had just finished my thigh measurement and she could have the tape measure go from head to toe without moving it.  I was sick.

I jokingly asked about prophalactic WLS and someone thought i was serious.. so I guess I won't try to make that joke again.  Sheesh!  Sarcasm!

Carafate actually seems to make the pain worse.. but I'm giving it a shot before I decide to melt it and try it as liquid.  The idea of it as a liquid though is enough to turn my stomach.  Doesn't help the doc also gave me a script for an iron supp that is clearly contraindicated for ulcer patients.. he couldn't have forgotten the ulcers.. I brought the script home from my scope.  Makes you tilt your head to the side and go "hmm".  In any case, I got a short reprieve.  I'm defrosting my salmon for dinner.  If pudding hurts as much as chicken, I'd rather do the solid food, yannow?

I have pimps in the medical field.  Plus, it's America where anything can be bought or sold.  I'm currently contemplating a $90 script to a new journal that is specific to obesity surgery.. it would be a wonderful investment.. but $90 can buy a whole lotta diapers (or aquarium frogs.. which I can't seem to keep alive.. and it's a beginner level fishie..)  Now, if you'd like to give me articles (or links) to read, I'd gladly add them to my stack.  I have this *huge* binder of nothing but my labs, research, recipes, etc.  I take it almost everywhere I go medically, and I refer to it daily.  I'm actually about to revamp it, add some pretty cool new dividers, and organize it a touch better.  And if you send anything snailmail, I'd reimburse shipping.

My delivery is blunt.  This is me IRL.  It sucks, I know, but I blame 5 years of retail hell for my complete inability to handle stupidity.  And keep in mind. I make a big distinction between ignorance and stupidity.  Ignorance can be fixed.  Stupidity seems to be a trait not easily countered.  Trust me, I know that people think I'm abrasive.  And I go back to a thread over and over not because I *know* I'm right... but honestly, it's compassion.  I would hate to think someone in the same situation as, say TanyaF, who has had her life completely changed by her slacking in supplementation.  It would truly break my heart to hear anothe rperson have this problem, given all the research available to those who are willing to do it.

I do believe that you are a caring person with a huge heart.  I think we are a lot alike actually.  I can be pretty blunt and direct too.  But I am a very compassionate woman.  I didn't have it easy coming up as a kid, and I think this has a lot to do with it for me.  I've been hurt and that makes my facade a little initmidating.

I have an idea for you.  Instead of subscribing for a print journal, have you thought about subscribing to medscape on line or using your local library to access academic databases? Usually they have them.

Where you should be is in school.  You clearly have a bright mind and you'd make a great physicians assistant, nurse or anything in the medical field.  You'd blow through BIO and Organic chem.  I can tell just by the way you post.  I think you would love it, and at a college or university, access to all academic and medical databases is totally free. 

I know that you have an Associates in IT.

What are your plans for the future?

Wait for it...

Bariatrician.

Yup.  I've already been accepted to school to start in January, and if I could get the hubby to print off last year's tax return so FAFSA can turn me down, I'll be cookin with gas (or something.. that's a southern expression I'm told).

Gonna do a 2yr stint to get my associates in Nursing.  Then I can get my bach in 1 yr while working from ECU.  Then, I can either do a Master's via distance learning and become a Nurse Practitioner, or I can take that bach and go into PA school.

I have *no* desire to perform surgery whatsoever (I have no 3D vision.. so I would be useless in an operating field), but I'd love to do preop and postop bariatric followup.  Get people through supervised diets, do the postop nutritional care, etc.  Yeah.  I'll need a couple of extra courses in bedside manner 101.. I'd probably fail.  I *can* do rainbows and sparkles.. but I just choose not to.

To become a nutritionist, there is actually *very* little involved.  I've thought about going that route in the short-term, but just decided not.

I have several great friends that have had WLS and are planning on going into the bariatric field.  Beka and I will be nurses, I've got an RD in the works, and I even have a couple that want to open a gym (he is a personal trainer, she had the Fobi pouch) and cater to the post-WLS crowd.  I think that would be much better for long-term success rather than relying on the mechanic for all post-op support and help.  And having people who have had the surgery and know what's going on in the innards?  That's just icing.