Help deciding which surgery to have

(deactivated member)
on 6/17/11 11:17 pm - Califreakinfornia , CA
On June 17, 2011 at 3:37 AM Pacific Time, sierraarreguin wrote:
I am nearly two years into post Gastric Bypass rue and y. Let me just say I was like you had just wanted to have the lap band at first, and my surgeon told me the same thing yours is telling you. I thought he was being honest and just looking out for my best interest. In the end its all about money, they bypass is thousands more than the lap band. The gastric bypass was the worst deccision of my life.... THE WORST. I have had nothing but complications since the surgery. it started just three months after the surgery needing to get my gall bladder removed. The stomache pain was still horrible, and I was vomitting many many times a day. Thats when I was put in the hospital matnurished, and a stomach full of bleeding ulcers. I get put in the hospital on average every three months. I am currently in the hospital, been here over a month they had to remove 70% of my small intestin. The entire small intestine was nearly dead. It took them 4 days to fix me, and it turns out the surgeon who did my bypass connected my small intestine backwards to my little pouch creating a twist that caused my small intestine to turn in knots. in the end the choice is yours, nobody was able to change my mind, although I wi****ook their advice. the good thing about the band is its one simple device that is put in, so if there are complications you can just have it removed, where as if you have to have gastric bypass reversed its major surgery. im getting mine reversed here in a couple of months, but untill then I now have to live with a feeding tube, and weigh less than a hundred pounds. I look like a Hollicost  survival im so thin and nothing but bones. Good luck to you and whatever you decide to do.
Hi There Nablowme
Amy Farrah Fowler
on 6/16/11 5:38 pm
 Make sure you understand the differences in all 4 surgeries before you are cut. It's a very personal decision, but the only two I'd seriously look at would be sleeve if you only need restriction (like the band, but without all the complications) or the DS (restriction plus malabsorbtion), like the RNY. The DS has the best weight loss, maintenance of that loss, and best resolution of co-morbidities. If your surgeon doesn't do the sleeve or DS, they often don't mention them, or have accurate info about them.

I wanted to only have ONE surgery, with the least chance for a need for a second (or third) revision surgery, so I researched the heck out of it. There is lots of great info as well as links to medical studies at DSfacts.com

Beverly D.
on 6/18/11 6:29 am - Lawrenceville, GA
 Thank you.  The surgeon I consulted didn't mention DS as an option, but I will ask next time.  I did find another surgeon near me who does do the DS if I wish to go with that.

Elizabeth N.
on 6/16/11 10:53 pm - Burlington County, NJ

Don't get a band. Just don't.

Look at the VSG and the DS as the best possible options.

I was originally on track to have RNY back in 2002, but got derailed after preop testing revealed that I had pulmonary hypertension. It's a long story, but it's on my profile if you'd like to read about it.

Even though I was off the track for RNY, I continued to attend the program my then-surgeon required of all his patients. I'd paid for it, so I figured I could benefit from it anyhow :-).

I saw some disturbing trends there. This was a big group, as several surgeons sent patients to it. There was, of course, a cadre of very successful patients (all RNY). They finished their year of program and went on with their lives, and as far as anyone knew/knows, all is well.

There were a surprising number of people, though, who fought and fought and fought to comply with what was expected of them, and the weight didn't come off well. At every meeting, there was word of someone else in the hospital with this or that problem--usually an ulcer or a stricture.

I listened to stories of dumping episodes, of getting food stuck episodes, of the mental/emotional challenges of having to live on highly restricted diets.....and I thought, "There's not a chance in hell I could live with this." (I should add that I have a major vomiting phobia. I'll do just about anything to not vomit. Not a good thing in some cases.)

Well, time passed, I got fatter and sicker, and eventually (again, story in my profile), it came out that the pulmonary hypertension was caused by the fat on my torso squashing my heart and lungs. It went from, "You cannot have any surgery at all," to, "You must have surgery or die."

I came back here to OH, feeling desperate because the lap band wouldn't give me enough weight loss to have any real hope of curing what was ailing me, and the RNY seemed to me like foolish butchery for not enough good results.

Someone told me then about the duodenal switch, invited me over to the DS board, which at the time was pretty much brand new, and the rest was history.

What I like about the DS:

1. 98% cure rate for type II diabetes. This was a major biggie because I had very bad diabetes.
2. Normal stomach anatomy and function is maintained. The stomach is reduced in size, but the normal stomach outlet, the pyloric valve, remains intact and functioning. There is no "stoma" with the DS or the vertical sleeve gastrectomy (VSG).
3. The intestinal changes that are done in the DS "jump start" the body's metabolism. Mine was shot to hell from a lifetime of PCOS, dieting and other factors.
4. I'd already done many years of low fat, low carb, highly restrictive dieting and I knew I sucked at it. The DS gives an eating quality of life that I find easy to live with: eat a primarily animal protein based diet. I'm a happy carnivore :-). I had to learn to restrict my carb intake, but it was a lot easier to do when I could eat meat, cheese, fish, eggs, etc. with abandon, with little regard for fat content. (DS'ers only absorb about 20% of the fat they eat, so for most of us, fat is almost a "free" food.)

I felt so strongly about the superiority of the DS to any other procedure that I traveled and paid out of pocket to have it done, rather than have the RNY done fifteen minutes from home and covered by insurance. It's been over four years, and so far, so good :-).

Please come over to the DS board and visit with us there. Lots of folks will be happy to tell you about their experiences.
 


Stacey-71
on 6/16/11 11:02 pm - OH
There can definitely be complications with all WLS! Educate yourself so you can know and understand them. And definitely find a capable and reputable surgeon to help minimize some of the known complications.
Having said that, I'll say this. I am a RNY revision surgery from lap band. I had my band placed in 2008 and had complications and 2 slips so I just underwent RNY revision surgery on the 23rd. Best decision I have ever made and I am so thankful to have the band out!
I had initially wanted VSG, but after talking with my surgeon, who placed my band back in 08 so I know and trust her and have an awsome relationship with her, she felt that RNY would work better for me with my personal situation. So I took her advice.  You have to have a trust relationship with your surgeon so pick one accordingly. Make sure you feel comfortable with the surgeon you choose, that they are experienced and that they perform most if not all of the WLS available, (mine does not do DS, only a few docs do in my State and I would have to travel quite a distance and my ins. does not cover DS, not to mention I am at 41 BMI), but that gives the surgeon better experience to know how to advise you with the different WLS. Everyone's eating habits and health issues are different and you have to choose accordingly.
I wish you the best of luck and I know it is a difficult process, but well worth it in the end!
Just educate yourself as much as possible! You are WORTH IT!
    
(deactivated member)
on 6/17/11 12:00 am
I am almost 6 years out and would not waste my time or money on the band. I hear to much of it slipping. And people don't loose as much weight. I had RNY my doctor didn't do the sleeve. Wish I had of had it done. I still dump but after 6 years I have kept my weight off. But you do what your doctor thinks is right for you. Pray about it.
Beverly D.
on 6/20/11 1:56 am - Lawrenceville, GA
I still don't quite understand the dumping.  It is a reaction to carbs and sugars??  So, you can avoid it by eating right, or it may happen anyway??
MsBatt
on 6/20/11 6:52 am
Only about 30% of RNYers dump. Some people dump in the beginning, and it goes away, some DON'T dump at first but do later. Some people dump only on sugar, some dump on any kind of carbs, some dump on fat---it's really quite unpredictable, and you won't what YOU'LL do until it happens. (*grin*)

I personally thought dumping syndrome sounded hellish, and I wanted to avoid even the possibility. The best way to avoid dumping is to keep a functioning pylorus. (But dumping CAN happen to anyone, even 'normal' people.)
MacMadame
on 6/20/11 6:56 am - Northern, CA
Like Ms Bhatt said, it's not predictable. When I was first researching surgeries, I read a thread where some people with RnY talked about dumping on fruit... a healthy food that I want to be able to eat. 

It's the very unpredictability of dumping that made it a deal-breaker for me.


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(deactivated member)
on 6/20/11 9:13 pm
I eat very healthy. Have been for 6 years now. I can eat something and be fine and then eat it another day and dump. I had acid reflux real bad bfore I even had gastric bypass. I think bypass has come a long way in the last 6 years. I hate dumping but in a way I guess it is a good thing. It does keep me from getting off track. I guess thats why I never regained any weight. I never thought I would love my body. But now I do. Yall will know what I'm saying.
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