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Topic: Happy New Years All
I do hope all are having a very Happy New Years. Good luck on all wants for the New Year, But remember the needs, follow our Dr. orders, Eat Healthy. Rest and enjoy life.
Terri
Terri
Topic: RE: Not a warm welcome
Crystal,
I did cheat a few times. no Dr Fang did not ask. Though I will let you know as much as you can stay on your liq. the better for your health and recovery. Use your breathing mach. I found many ways to drink my fluids. Please add me to friends list. I will be happy to help support you with any questions or just to talk
Terri
I did cheat a few times. no Dr Fang did not ask. Though I will let you know as much as you can stay on your liq. the better for your health and recovery. Use your breathing mach. I found many ways to drink my fluids. Please add me to friends list. I will be happy to help support you with any questions or just to talk
Terri
Topic: RE: Not a warm welcome
Terri, glad to see you are home and doing well! I am glad to hear it went well!! SO excited for both of us on our new lives!! Did you cheat at all during the two weeks? Does Dr Fang ask if you did? 
I am just hoping my one slip this week doesn't affect my surgery :( I have been drinking the fortified milk +carnation all two weeks and last night had a bite of something. BAH on me! I know
How did you feel about St. Luke's in general. My mother enjoyed it there, but I have also heard a lot of negative about the staff. When you feel up to it feel free to dish :)
I am just hoping my one slip this week doesn't affect my surgery :( I have been drinking the fortified milk +carnation all two weeks and last night had a bite of something. BAH on me! I knowHow did you feel about St. Luke's in general. My mother enjoyed it there, but I have also heard a lot of negative about the staff. When you feel up to it feel free to dish :)
~*Crystal*~
HW-327/SW-313/CW-271/Doc's Goal:150 ......Awaiting Revision to DS
Post RNY baby born 6 weeks early, Jaelyn Mary Christine May 9th, 2011 
Topic: RE: word of mouth
Even after it came out that Gitt owned Schlesinger's practice, she was still insisting that Schlesinger "didn't sign her paychecks". Duh, they were BOTH employed by Dr. Gitt and she didn't just know him because he "worked in the same building".
Joyce and I have tangled on the boards in the past and I have called her on some of her posts related to surgery in Mexico so I am truly not one of her followers.
I am taking issue with some of the logic you are using however.
I have NO idea if Joyce got paid by "HER" employer to laud Dr S who is another empolyee of Gitt's or not.
I work for the County goverment, everyone in the county is employed by the same employer. The floor I work on is shared by other county offices. If I were to say flattering things about another someone that works for on of the other agencies on my floor does that mean I work for them directly. I think not.
As I said the issue for me is NOT about Joyce, Dr S or any other surgeon and who does or does not work for them.
My issue is that, despite the "proof" you have about MWG being "right" about in this one instance does not change her overall unacceptable behavior and tactics.
Joyce and I have tangled on the boards in the past and I have called her on some of her posts related to surgery in Mexico so I am truly not one of her followers.
I am taking issue with some of the logic you are using however.
I have NO idea if Joyce got paid by "HER" employer to laud Dr S who is another empolyee of Gitt's or not.
I work for the County goverment, everyone in the county is employed by the same employer. The floor I work on is shared by other county offices. If I were to say flattering things about another someone that works for on of the other agencies on my floor does that mean I work for them directly. I think not.
As I said the issue for me is NOT about Joyce, Dr S or any other surgeon and who does or does not work for them.
My issue is that, despite the "proof" you have about MWG being "right" about in this one instance does not change her overall unacceptable behavior and tactics.
Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
Topic: RE: word of mouth
Joyce kept insisting that she was NOT paid by Schlesinger and only knew him because they both worked in the same medical building. This continued until proof was found at an online government website where Dr. Gitt was applying for the patent/copyright(?) on the AZ weight loss solutions logo as the owner of the company. Even after it came out that Gitt owned Schlesinger's practice, she was still insisting that Schlesinger "didn't sign her paychecks". Duh, they were BOTH employed by Dr. Gitt and she didn't just know him because he "worked in the same building".
Further complicating Joyce's advocating this doctor, were her comments on other boards where she was complaining about him/her surgery/her labs/his attitude, etc., while blowing rainbows up everyone's butts about him on OH where it was her job to promote him.
While I do not read nor monitor these boards as much as others, I have read MWG's posts about her doctor and her surgery, etc. and what you may think is "pushing" is NOTHING (NOTHING!) compared to what went on in 2008 with the Schlesinger advocates, some of whom may not have even been real patients.
MWG is very good at compiling info, especially regarding MX surgeons. She has a medical background and is knowledgeable on who to ask for what type of info needed. Some of the ways she goes about this are absolutely brilliant. It is unfortunate that her manner has angered many here. But, to "throw away the baby with the bath water" is foolhardy. Even if you may not like the messenger, sometimes the message IS worth hearing.
I've found so mu*****orrect info being disseminated that it's frightening. Anyone who is willing to stick their neck out and be chastised for going against the pack is worth listening to (in my book), even if I may not like what I hear. There may be a kernel of info which causes me to look into something further and that alone is worthwhile.
She happened to mention "bougie" size once and I had no idea what a "bougie" was nor what it had to do with the sleeve procedure. Most patients don't even know that there are different "bougie" sizes and that the bougie size determines the size of the sleeve. This is just one example of what I learned from MWG - and it was something I never even knew to ask.
Anyone who is willing to stick their neck out and be chastised for going against the pack is worth listening to (in my book), even if I may not like what I hear.
In this case then you must love hearing me cause I continue to get chastised for telling MY experience with MWG despite what she and her devotees do in retaliation and I do mean retaliation.
She happened to mention "bougie" size once and I had no idea what a "bougie" was nor what it had to do with the sleeve procedure.
This is your example of her "cutting edge" info? Even a person doing a modicum of research on the sleeve will encounter the term "bougie" as it relates to the sleeve procedure. I started my research on the sleeve in 08 and it was one of the first terms I came across. I do see posters still asking questions about it from time to time but for the most part they are brand new folks questioning everything about the procedure.
I am curious, did you have the sleeve or a different procedure?
On December 31, 2009 at 11:52 PM Pacific Time, StacysMom wrote:
I guess I can say who it was, because she, herself has come clean about it on a thread which was curiously taken down - hmmm. It was JRinAZ, who seems like a very nice person named "Joyce", who was put in a very compromising position by her employer. She was employed by Dr. Gitt of North Valley Plastic Surgery who owned AZ Weight Loss Solutions which employed Dr. Schlesinger, who actually DID do Joyce's revision surgery. Joyce and some of her friends who also used this doctor, were pushing him relentlessly on both the AZ and revision boards until stopped by MWG (and a few others, including me). Joyce kept insisting that she was NOT paid by Schlesinger and only knew him because they both worked in the same medical building. This continued until proof was found at an online government website where Dr. Gitt was applying for the patent/copyright(?) on the AZ weight loss solutions logo as the owner of the company. Even after it came out that Gitt owned Schlesinger's practice, she was still insisting that Schlesinger "didn't sign her paychecks". Duh, they were BOTH employed by Dr. Gitt and she didn't just know him because he "worked in the same building".
Further complicating Joyce's advocating this doctor, were her comments on other boards where she was complaining about him/her surgery/her labs/his attitude, etc., while blowing rainbows up everyone's butts about him on OH where it was her job to promote him.
While I do not read nor monitor these boards as much as others, I have read MWG's posts about her doctor and her surgery, etc. and what you may think is "pushing" is NOTHING (NOTHING!) compared to what went on in 2008 with the Schlesinger advocates, some of whom may not have even been real patients.
MWG is very good at compiling info, especially regarding MX surgeons. She has a medical background and is knowledgeable on who to ask for what type of info needed. Some of the ways she goes about this are absolutely brilliant. It is unfortunate that her manner has angered many here. But, to "throw away the baby with the bath water" is foolhardy. Even if you may not like the messenger, sometimes the message IS worth hearing.
I've found so mu*****orrect info being disseminated that it's frightening. Anyone who is willing to stick their neck out and be chastised for going against the pack is worth listening to (in my book), even if I may not like what I hear. There may be a kernel of info which causes me to look into something further and that alone is worthwhile.
She happened to mention "bougie" size once and I had no idea what a "bougie" was nor what it had to do with the sleeve procedure. Most patients don't even know that there are different "bougie" sizes and that the bougie size determines the size of the sleeve. This is just one example of what I learned from MWG - and it was something I never even knew to ask.
In this case then you must love hearing me cause I continue to get chastised for telling MY experience with MWG despite what she and her devotees do in retaliation and I do mean retaliation.
She happened to mention "bougie" size once and I had no idea what a "bougie" was nor what it had to do with the sleeve procedure.
This is your example of her "cutting edge" info? Even a person doing a modicum of research on the sleeve will encounter the term "bougie" as it relates to the sleeve procedure. I started my research on the sleeve in 08 and it was one of the first terms I came across. I do see posters still asking questions about it from time to time but for the most part they are brand new folks questioning everything about the procedure.
I am curious, did you have the sleeve or a different procedure?
Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
Topic: RE: Not a warm welcome
Crystal,
Hello first. I just had surgery on the 29th and just got home New Years eve. Dr Fang did my surgery and repaired the hernia that I had. He is a great Dr. I like many had a hard time with the liquid diet part. At almost the end a friend told me to get the instant Breakfast add a scoop of protein and blend with ice and about 6 oz of water. For me it worked I was less hungry and did better.
I wish you the Best of luck. Any questions. or any help I can give please feel free to write. We both are new to this wonderful new life.
Terri
Hello first. I just had surgery on the 29th and just got home New Years eve. Dr Fang did my surgery and repaired the hernia that I had. He is a great Dr. I like many had a hard time with the liquid diet part. At almost the end a friend told me to get the instant Breakfast add a scoop of protein and blend with ice and about 6 oz of water. For me it worked I was less hungry and did better.
I wish you the Best of luck. Any questions. or any help I can give please feel free to write. We both are new to this wonderful new life.
Terri
StacysMom
on 12/31/09 3:52 pm
on 12/31/09 3:52 pm
Topic: RE: word of mouth
I guess I can say who it was, because she, herself has come clean about it on a thread which was curiously taken down - hmmm. It was JRinAZ, who seems like a very nice person named "Joyce", who was put in a very compromising position by her employer. She was employed by Dr. Gitt of North Valley Plastic Surgery who owned AZ Weight Loss Solutions which employed Dr. Schlesinger, who actually DID do Joyce's revision surgery. Joyce and some of her friends who also used this doctor, were pushing him relentlessly on both the AZ and revision boards until stopped by MWG (and a few others, including me).
Joyce kept insisting that she was NOT paid by Schlesinger and only knew him because they both worked in the same medical building. This continued until proof was found at an online government website where Dr. Gitt was applying for the patent/copyright(?) on the AZ weight loss solutions logo as the owner of the company. Even after it came out that Gitt owned Schlesinger's practice, she was still insisting that Schlesinger "didn't sign her paychecks". Duh, they were BOTH employed by Dr. Gitt and she didn't just know him because he "worked in the same building".
Further complicating Joyce's advocating this doctor, were her comments on other boards where she was complaining about him/her surgery/her labs/his attitude, etc., while blowing rainbows up everyone's butts about him on OH where it was her job to promote him.
While I do not read nor monitor these boards as much as others, I have read MWG's posts about her doctor and her surgery, etc. and what you may think is "pushing" is NOTHING (NOTHING!) compared to what went on in 2008 with the Schlesinger advocates, some of whom may not have even been real patients.
MWG is very good at compiling info, especially regarding MX surgeons. She has a medical background and is knowledgeable on who to ask for what type of info needed. Some of the ways she goes about this are absolutely brilliant. It is unfortunate that her manner has angered many here. But, to "throw away the baby with the bath water" is foolhardy. Even if you may not like the messenger, sometimes the message IS worth hearing.
I've found so mu*****orrect info being disseminated that it's frightening. Anyone who is willing to stick their neck out and be chastised for going against the pack is worth listening to (in my book), even if I may not like what I hear. There may be a kernel of info which causes me to look into something further and that alone is worthwhile.
She happened to mention "bougie" size once and I had no idea what a "bougie" was nor what it had to do with the sleeve procedure. Most patients don't even know that there are different "bougie" sizes and that the bougie size determines the size of the sleeve. This is just one example of what I learned from MWG - and it was something I never even knew to ask.
Joyce kept insisting that she was NOT paid by Schlesinger and only knew him because they both worked in the same medical building. This continued until proof was found at an online government website where Dr. Gitt was applying for the patent/copyright(?) on the AZ weight loss solutions logo as the owner of the company. Even after it came out that Gitt owned Schlesinger's practice, she was still insisting that Schlesinger "didn't sign her paychecks". Duh, they were BOTH employed by Dr. Gitt and she didn't just know him because he "worked in the same building".
Further complicating Joyce's advocating this doctor, were her comments on other boards where she was complaining about him/her surgery/her labs/his attitude, etc., while blowing rainbows up everyone's butts about him on OH where it was her job to promote him.
While I do not read nor monitor these boards as much as others, I have read MWG's posts about her doctor and her surgery, etc. and what you may think is "pushing" is NOTHING (NOTHING!) compared to what went on in 2008 with the Schlesinger advocates, some of whom may not have even been real patients.
MWG is very good at compiling info, especially regarding MX surgeons. She has a medical background and is knowledgeable on who to ask for what type of info needed. Some of the ways she goes about this are absolutely brilliant. It is unfortunate that her manner has angered many here. But, to "throw away the baby with the bath water" is foolhardy. Even if you may not like the messenger, sometimes the message IS worth hearing.
I've found so mu*****orrect info being disseminated that it's frightening. Anyone who is willing to stick their neck out and be chastised for going against the pack is worth listening to (in my book), even if I may not like what I hear. There may be a kernel of info which causes me to look into something further and that alone is worthwhile.
She happened to mention "bougie" size once and I had no idea what a "bougie" was nor what it had to do with the sleeve procedure. Most patients don't even know that there are different "bougie" sizes and that the bougie size determines the size of the sleeve. This is just one example of what I learned from MWG - and it was something I never even knew to ask.
Topic: RE: word of mouth
She was instrumental in exposing someone (and yes, it was someone in "good standing") on these very boards, who was a PAID employee of the doctor and program that she was pushing, supposedly only as a "happy patient" of said doctor/program. Because of MWG's unrelenting actions, the person was forced to come clean - and it took over two years to accomplish! Without MWG, that person would still be pushing said doctor and misleading many, many newbies and others who come onto these boards for help, which they assume is coming from peers, not advocates for some surgeon's business.
If anyone needs to be reminded of this, I still have the link to the government website where the proof was ultimately found! And, I will be happy to post all the info about what happened on these boards for over two years.
On December 31, 2009 at 11:08 AM Pacific Time, StacysMom wrote:
Boy! MWG sure has a lot of "haters" out there. She has never attacked me and, if she ever did, I can defend myself. I can tell you that quite a bit of what she has to say is TRUE. I have verified quite a bit of it with public sources that anyone can access if they bothered to look. She was instrumental in exposing someone (and yes, it was someone in "good standing") on these very boards, who was a PAID employee of the doctor and program that she was pushing, supposedly only as a "happy patient" of said doctor/program. Because of MWG's unrelenting actions, the person was forced to come clean - and it took over two years to accomplish! Without MWG, that person would still be pushing said doctor and misleading many, many newbies and others who come onto these boards for help, which they assume is coming from peers, not advocates for some surgeon's business.
If anyone needs to be reminded of this, I still have the link to the government website where the proof was ultimately found! And, I will be happy to post all the info about what happened on these boards for over two years.
Are you saying this person NEVER had surgery with this particular surgeon and she was lying about her personal experience with that doctor? I am trying to clarify exactly what you mean.
If the issue is the person was "pushing" that particular surgeon MWG is famous for her "pushing" of her beloved choice of surgeons and many on this board believe she is paid to do this though I have no proof of that.
Whatever you do is it truthful, necessary and kind?
Topic: RE: word of mouth
Good for her - glad to here she exposed someone doing the wrong thing. That's the kind of thing that will help people. But to slander an excellent surgeon on a public forum with no foundation - there's no excuse.
Like you, I have no problem defending myself, but not everyone is like us. When I receive emails from people describing how she harrasses and stalks them, it's a bigger issue than you or I.
Topic: RE: word of mouth
I just had the dr you are referring to do my revision. I know a lot of people who do think he walks on water and I also had a reliable source tell me bad things as well. I had to go with my gut. He has been nothing but great with me and took me on as a patient when I was having problems with my original surgeon. He told me they have only had 1 leak and it was early on and they changed the way they do things because of it and have not had one since. I was a revision from a problem band and am at higher risk for a leak because of it and so far I haven't had a problem. They check you the next day for a leak before you are allowed to ingest anything or leave the hospital. I think(but I don't know if this is a fact) him and his partner are some of the most experienced sleeve surgeons in the sw. Maybe you could look into dr b the partner and would be comfortable with him? I can't tell you anything about him but know people like him as well.
That being said; there is another surgeon in Tucson that does the sleeve but has much less experience; Dr Monash. I think he is a great person. Everyone loves him as well and I have seen him and a lot of my friends have had bands with him. He wasn't willing to do a revision (he has never done one) and I didn't want to be left with just having my band removed.
That being said; there is another surgeon in Tucson that does the sleeve but has much less experience; Dr Monash. I think he is a great person. Everyone loves him as well and I have seen him and a lot of my friends have had bands with him. He wasn't willing to do a revision (he has never done one) and I didn't want to be left with just having my band removed.
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