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Topic: RE: Lost my faith
My dear Tammy,
My prayers are with you. You have received some good advice here.
I would like to share two things with you.
1. When I was married to my first husband, (abusive sexually, verbally and emotionally) I went to our Bishop and he told me that if I were a better wife, mother, housekeeper etc, we wouldn't have these problems. I took it to heart and felt he was probably right. I should have gone to the Stake President but abuse victims have been convinced it is their fault, usually.) This is unrightious dominion and a form of abuse in itself.
2. Years later, when I heard something from my Bishop I didn't like, my present husband (the Saint) told me that he was called of God and that if I followed what he said, I would be blessed even if he was wrong, because I was being obedient. Now, I know that your situation is different but where I can see this fitting your position is this. Even though he is doing wrong such as unrightious dominion (ie your pregnancy etc) If you do what YOU are supposed to do and fulfill your callings the best you can, YOU will be blessed because you were obedient despite him.
Honey, tell one of the councilors that you want to have the baby blessed and DO NOT invite the bishop to participate! My husband blessed my Grandson and it was not even done on Sunday but Sat night during my other son's wedding reception.
I would DEFINATELY go to my Stake President and tell him, in as unaccusing manner as possible, everything you have told us especially about being pregnant. Or write him a letter and also ask that you be allowed to attend another ward until such time a new Bishop is called even if it is years. The bishop is going to have much to account for and if the Stake President doesn't look into it, he will also.
The important thing is that ultimately YOU are responsible for your spirituality. Keep your faith and don't let one jerk determine how you behave.
Also, I have been in a zillion wards in my life, (Military wife twice) and have only come across two Bishops that I really had problems with. This is after 36.5 years in the church.
Take care sweetie and I will put your name in the Temple when I work on Fri.
Grins,
Kaye
Topic: RE: Lost my faith
Tammy, Although he is a Bishop, he is still just a man. We all have faults.
I know of a situation frighteningly similar to yours. The bishop went out of his way to support a ward member that had been arrested by vice cops and because family #2 had been embroiled in some sort of dispute with this man's family, the bishop took away food assistance from family #2.
He has been called as bishop for a reason. We do not fully understand why. But I believe he was called NOT because he was good at this, yet instead it is intended for him learn from this experience.
Do not let your faith waver.
You may wish to approach the stake pres about attending another ward in your stake or a neighboring stake.
((Hugs))
Laurie
Topic: RE: Lost my faith
Tammy, you have received some wonderful advice from members of this board, especially from Linda.
My input is insignificant, but I want you to know that Satan is working very hard and he has found a few cracks and he's doing his best to enter in and take over. Don't let Satan win. If you need to change wards. You can't deny a blessing to your son because of this one person.
I echo what Linda says. Go to your Stake President and explain to him how you feel and what it going on. He probably feels that something isn't right, he just needs someone to pin point it for him.
You are part of the gospel because the Gospel is TRUE. Don't let anyone take that blessing away from you.
I've been going to the temple often (I got in 5 sessions this month) and I'll put your name on the temple prayer list.
Borrowing a saying from Donna Seamon. ETTE. (Endure to the End)
Melody
Topic: RE: Prayers needed
Gala, I want you to know that you and your family have been in my prayers for a very long time now. I sensed that your problems weren't completely resolved and you were still in need of prayers. I've put your name on the temple prayer list several times. I think about you often and pray that you will have the wisdom to know how to handle the situations you are facing and that will have the strength to overcome problems.
You are loved.
Melody
Topic: RE: Prayers needed
Gala, sometimes by letting go we actually gain. I can entirely understand your feelings that you have failed as a mother. I have had them many times in my parenting journey.
If the powers that be feel it is in the best interest of your child to be placed in another environment. But by doing do, he has the opportunity to learn in another environment, and that alone, can be what will provide him with the knowledge of what he gained while he was with you. He will remember the love and the spirit that was present when he was with you. It may not be for years yet, but it will not leave him. Even if he spends the rest of his life, or until he reaches adulthood, in another environment. He will have the blessings of being with your family in the back of his stored memory.
The day prior to my youngest child being born, I was uncomfortable because she was a small baby following the path of a much larger baby 13 months prior. She would bounce her head on my cervix between easy contractions. My husband gave me a blessing, he told me in that blessing that the child about to be born would be a difficult child, but would one day bring me comfort. When she was an adolescent and I determined that the only way I could insure her safety was to place her in a Psychiatric Hospital, as you can well imagine it was the hardest thing I ever had to do. I was horrified, but I wanted my child preserved. Often in the years that followed, I remembered that blessing dear husband had given me, and wondered if it would ever happen. And low and behold, I lived to see that day, it came about one little bit at a time, but it did happen, and I also lived to hear her say, how grateful she was for her mother having let her go, and allowed her to have the kind of care that she received in "The Home" as she refers to four different treatment facilities she spent time in. When she is annoyed at me, she tells me that if I don't cooperate with her she will place me in a "Home" in my old age. She is 28 years old, has four children, and lives around the corner from me. Until recently she was Primary President in our Branch. This is a child that would not even go to church from the time she was 11 or 12.
I suspect your son, is still going to be your son in Heavenly Fathers plan. I doubt the state you live in, has any concern about this child's spiritual sealing to you. Thus it will remain intact, will it not? He may go to another environment to be raised. But his spirit has the knowledge you provided him, and it will not be taken from him. The hardest thing you will ever do is let him go, but it will very likely prove to be the best thing for the rest of your family. As to your health, you have an obligation to your two younger children to do what you can to pull your self together as we say in the world known only to mothers.
Many times when my young daughter would be missing for two or three weeks at a time, and I would have no concrete knowledge that she was alive, only the spirits' witness to me that she was well and alive. I would think to myself, as you've expressed, that it would be easier to know that she had died, than to spend so much time worrying about her well being.
I have a very strong testimony of the pre-existence, and Heavenly Fathers Plan for us in this life. We knew it would not be easy, but still we wanted to come here and learn the things that are here for us to learn. It's unfortunate (at least it seems that way, it actually may not be in the final scheme of things) that the plan for this child of yours may come with lots of extra bumps in the road, but it is so often true with the children that turn out to be the greatest blessings to us. And I have the testimony of many other mothers' to back that up.
Love and May the spirit give you comfort,
Linda
Topic: RE: Lost my faith
Tammy Dear, Obviously you are seeing first hand an example of "Leadership Abuse" bear with me while I tell you a little story, one that is becoming somewhat of a legend in my family. It's a true story, of an experience my parents had when I was a small child. This took place probably 50 years ago, and the majority of the people closest to the incident are no longer living, so it's being told more frequently in my immediate family, as an example of the way my parents raised their six children, to support church members in leadership positions.
My parents were both converts to the Church. My mother was baptized when she was 14, and my father was baptized when he was 20 years old. They married in the Logan Temple when my mother was 23 and my father had just turned legal age of 21. They had there first five children in Idaho, in communities which were entirely LDS. I being their 6th child was not born until 1945 in another western state. My early childhood was spent in a small branch, that existed largely due too displaced Utah and Idaho Mormons changing careers after the second world war, and locating to less LDS populated areas for employment.
My father drove with the man that was then our Branch President to another state to attend a work related meeting (convention of sorts), as the meeting was drawing to a close, my father who was driving, went in search of the Branch President. He found the said Branch President extremely intoxicated, as well as involved with a woman that was obviously not his wife. My fathers first reaction was to just leave the man, return home. They were at the time a few hours drive away from home. He was having trouble deciding just how to handle the matter, decided to make a long distance call home and ask my mother what she thought he should do? She wasn't home, but one of my older sisters was, she was in her early twenties, may have already been on a mission at the time. She told him, she thought he should bring the man home. Better not to leave him there and have to figure out what to tell his wife and the Branch. So my father returned to the meeting place, retrieved the man, I guess told him he had to come home with him. During the few hours drive home, the man began to sober up, and became remorseful regarding his behavior. It was Saturday evening, and the BP was trying to figure out what he was to do the next morning on the Sabath, and how was he to face folks. What my father answered at the time, and of course this part is boiled down for the purpose of family telling, was that he was to repent immediately, fulfill the calling he had, (my father believed that the man was called to the job, and that he had a responsibility to the members of the Branch) and nothing would ever be said about the matter again. And that's the way the future went, a few years after that, not long actually. The Area was finally organized into a Stake, and this man became the first Stake President. Later, he went on a mission and served as a mission President.
Its important here to remember that my father did not take this mans sins on as his responsibility. Nor did my father let it affect his activity in the church. He also never told this story to a single individual. The lesson I learned from my parents is this, when the person is called, and we are the ones that fall under their leadership. What they do right or wrong, is ENTIRELY THEIR OWN RESPONSIBILITY, they and only they can answer for their sins. We have only the responsibility for OURSELVES.
Obviously you can't change what has already happened, but you do have the obligation to yourself, to let go of the anger. I am a very hot headed person, and when I become resentful, it's not easy for me to let go. But if I remain angry, then that individual is the one winning. And I become the looser in the equation. This Bishop is not "The Gospel" he is only a human being that has for this moment in time been given a calling that he either fulfils with integrity or without integrity.
Your description to the forum, sounds like a man who is right on the edge of excommunication! Have you ever spoken to your Stake President about this man? If in fact others are having problems with him, I would suppose you won't have to wait long before he cuts his own throat, he is obviously driving on the wrong side of the road!
If you become inactive because of this mans actions, or Lose your Faith, then he wins.
Callings are from "Heavenly Father" but as weak humans, we can mess them up beautifully. Again this man will pay, and the price he will pay, will make the annoyance you and others have with him, seem as nothing. He is abusing his calling, to even suggest that you should have been avoiding having the youngest child. And to be so arrogant as to remind people that he is a judge in Israel, is sooo abusive, I can't believe that mans coat tails aren't burning!
Linda in Texas P.S. Living in small town Utah is itself a challenge. Move as soon as your able! Or then again you could prove to yourself that you can outlast him.
Topic: RE: Lost my faith
Tammy,
I'm so sorry you have to threw this. What a horrible experience for you, your family and everyone involved.
Is it possible for you to meet w/your Stake Presidency? And if getting your little guy blessed can be done threw him could you do that? I don't know the logistics of that. But I do know that when we had our kids blessed we just called our bishop. Told him this is when we would like to do it. And did it. There was no questions or anything else. It is different I'm sure if the man has a vendetta against you.
((((((HUGS)))) Hang in there Tammy!!!
Love, Gala
Baby Blues
on 5/22/06 9:41 am - Roy, UT
on 5/22/06 9:41 am - Roy, UT
Topic: Lost my faith
I don't know where else to go with this....
A year ago our ward bishop was called. I could not in good conscience raise my hand and sustain him. I had a horrible nasty feeling inside when his name was announced as the new bishop. From his wife who I played Bunco with I knew enough about their marriage and what type of man he was to have absolutely no respect for him. Since he has been called I have tried to maintain civil at all times in his presence. When DH lost his job and we needed food assistance I sucked it up and approached the biship who DID give us weekly food orders until DH got another job. When I got pregnant with my youngest (2 months old) I went to the bishop because I was tired of feeling hostile and angry about church and I wanted to clear the air and repent of my feelings. Instead, he berated me for getting pregnant and insinuated that I must be stupid if I didn't know what birth control was. Since that time, he has chastized DH for not befriending a man in our ward who is a wife abuser (physcially, sexually, and mentally) that I am TESTIFYING against in court since I was a whitness to it and then Bishop released us from our callings - which we accepted and fufilled completely inspite of everything. When I went into premature labor and my baby was in NICU the bishopric not once visited or even returned our phone calls to them, and when I asked for help from the relief society president while I was still in the hospital he told her to tell me that it was up to my family not the ward to help us. Several of the ward members are moving because of him including us. We still have not had Kayden blessed and he's almost 3 months old. I feel sick inside everytime I think about having to talk to the bishop to arrange his blessing. I don't want him having ANYTHING to do with my son's blessing but I wonder if I should put my feelings aside and just get him blessed no matter what. I don't know where to go or who to talk to because everyone keeps telling me that it will be his word against mine and that he is my priesthood leader and I should just keep my mouth shut. I think I actually despise the man. I can't even go to church right now becuase the very site of him causes a panic attack. DH and I worried because we are afraid of going inactive...There are also MANY MANY MANY other things he has done to my family and 3 others in the ward that I know of personally.
Until now I believed with all my heart that callings were from Hevenly Father. Not anymore. I don't know how a man like that who is a Judge in Israel (he reminds us of this almost everytime we see him) can act that way. Am I missing something? Am I just being stupid like he says...naive even?
I really need some input and advice....even years ago when I was inactive I never doubted the church, Heavenly Father, or that Joseph Smith was true prophet...
I never doubted until now.
Tammy
Topic: Prayers needed
With out going into a lot of detail - could I ask for some prayers for my family/self. No need to respond..just some thoughts and prayers our way would be greatly appreciated.
As few of you know we've had some major problems w/our oldest who is nearly 12 that we adopted 8 summers ago. Termination of our parental rights has been inevitable it seems for some time. Today we were basically told - its gonna happen. My own mental health the last 9 months has been up and down. I've got my psychiatrist telling me she thinks I should apply for SSDI. I can tell you right now that it would probably be approved or least close to it as I'm batteling staying out of the hospital yet again. Today - Didn't help any. I know the 'logic' of things behind this stuff with Corry. Yet...I so desperatly want to be his mom. I want him to want me to be his mom. I want him to know who his siblings are. And yet it can't happen. No one wins. I didn't sit in front of the judge 7 yrs ago to be going back and doing the opposite. I didn't sit in front of the temple worker w/Corry to be sealed to have that all taken away. I've got 2 other little ones at home that need me. And right now - I can't even see the past the forest and the trees. I've got a 6 yr old sitting on the steps crying because the neighbor girl broke her water gun. And I can't go outof my home to even begin to deal with this. I'm a wreck. Top it all off - I start a new job tmw and it will most likely not be permanent as I have an interview (2nd one) to 'finalize' a full time job with Lens Crafters...
Enough said. TIA...Gala
Topic: RE: Our own Barbara needs our prayers
Thank you for letting us know Melody!!
What a sweetheart you are to be so intune w/the spirit.
She is in our prayers!!
Gala

