kRIZ...Atkins discussion....

Holy bajeepers! I didn't read the whole long post lol. It was just to long for me...I did read some tho!  I personally do binge on healthy food especially if its the only thing I have around. I have binged on a bunch of apples, all kinds of fruits. Veggies too like broccoli...and chicken...I just eat and eat and eat. I mean I dont anymore. So I am one those that binge on bad stuff and the healthy stuff. If its food i will binge on it.

But does it count?  I mean, I can eat a whole head of broccoli or cauliflower (albeit small one) but calorically?  It's still not a binge. I think overrestriction makes you think all binging is bad.  Nope.  Not in my book.  Eating and eating the right amount of calories is okay.  Binging on protein and produce only, well that really can't do much harm.  In fact, most on low carb eat more calories and lose...

"I mean, you don't binge on everything, right?  Just certain foods.  Why?  IMO, it's because of those foods, whether they're sweets or salty or gooey.  Not like you binge on healthy options much, right? " Honestly, I don't really binge that much. I don't keep chips, twinkies and other junk food in my house. If I binge, it's on leftovers or something.  During the day I just eat my meals and sometimes I'll have a snack. I have good self-control during the day. At night I eat dinner.. Wait a little while and then something clicks and I feel like I have to eat something. So I'll go get some leftovers. I wait a little longer and then get the same urge so I go find something else. Might be a granola bar.. might be some peanut butter..  I think this more resembles grazing than binging. So yeah, I really do think it's an addiction for me.  But we can agree to disagree, that works! :P "See, IMO, you could read the book (and really once it arrives in a few days, you just have to read induction to get started for your first two weeks), or you can go to the sites I shared, and just start.  I'm already doing it. You're waiting.  You have to ask yourself why." I'm waiting because I'm finding too much overwhelming information on the internet. Too many opinions (especially in the forums) so I'm just gonna get the book read it and understand it and plan my next steps.  I am looking at the sites you gave me but I'm in learning mode at the moment.. Still contemplating the change.  I'll get there.. :)  It's just how I work my mojo. You should see me when I decide to make a big purchase. "Do you not believe you can do it?  Do you not really want it?  What IS going on in that head of yours." Honestly?  I don't believe I can do it. So many failures in the past..all the regain.. the statistics. It all makes me feel like a failure.
"Or is it negotiating to find a way to eat what you want and not have the bad results?" That's the ticket! "it just means you're taking the slow boat to China. " Damnit, doesn't slow and steady win the race?? lol  I dunno, I want fast results but I also want my route to be a sustainable one.  I know, I know, low-carb is supposed to be that. Can I help but to be skeptical?
" Or you can start accepting that healthy choices are what delivers a healthy body." Now this has started becoming a motivator for me. My cholesterol, BP and other things are starting to scare me. Never before have I worried about health..Because my weight and lifestyle never affected me. I'm getting older.. It's time to fix it before I get to a point where it's even more difficult to reverse. "Wish you'd join me.  Just give it a shot.  One month--two weeks induction and two weeks into Phase II. " Oh what the hell. I'll go spend some extra cycles on learning about the induction phase today. Perhaps tomorrow I'll make the decision to start. Afterall, it's payday and I'm running low on meats and veggies in the house. "Meantime, you will need to get the crap carbs outa the house" I'll have to learn to control myself. The wife has already threatened to cut body parts off if I did that. She said she would move them to another part of the house where I didn't have to see them. That'll work. Besides, it's mostly pasta and potatoes that she loves..I don't care for those. Rice on the other hand I love.. but she doesn't.. so I'll throw the rice out. :)

"Do you not believe you can do it?  Do you not really want it?  What IS going on in that head of yours."
Honestly?  I don't believe I can do it. So many failures in the past..all the regain.. the statistics. It all makes me feel like a failure. --OK.  I know the feeling.  How I handled it was to just trust that if you lived healthy, you'd be healthy.  Sure, it  takes time (and I'm a notoriously slow loser), but I trusted and achieved.  One foot in front of the other, Chris.


"Or is it negotiating to find a way to eat what you want and not have the bad results?"
That's the ticket! --Newsflash:  It doesn't work that way.  It doesn't.  Not right now.  Take the time away from the habits that cause bad results and soon enough you'll find that you control yourself, not food controls you.  You will not lose weight not changing your food and habits.  You might lose some with small changes, but is that some enough?

"it just means you're taking the slow boat to China. "
Damnit, doesn't slow and steady win the race?? lol  I dunno, I want fast results but I also want my route to be a sustainable one.  I know, I know, low-carb is supposed to be that. Can I help but to be skeptical?
--Ah, you're a contrarian--always looking to debate.  Slow and steady does...with regard to sustainability, but  you're not even on that boat, from what I gather.
" Or you can start accepting that healthy choices are what delivers a healthy body."
Now this has started becoming a motivator for me. My cholesterol, BP and other things are starting to scare me. Never before have I worried about health..Because my weight and lifestyle never affected me. I'm getting older.. It's time to fix it before I get to a point where it's even more difficult to reverse.
--YUP!
"Wish you'd join me.  Just give it a shot.  One month--two weeks induction and two weeks into Phase II. "
Oh what the hell. I'll go spend some extra cycles on learning about the induction phase today. Perhaps tomorrow I'll make the decision to start. Afterall, it's payday and I'm running low on meats and veggies in the house.
OK.  I'll PM you and if you want you can email me as well and we can buddy up as needed.
"Meantime, you will need to get the crap carbs outa the house"
I'll have to learn to control myself. The wife has already threatened to cut body parts off if I did that. She said she would move them to another part of the house where I didn't have to see them. That'll work. Besides, it's mostly pasta and potatoes that she loves..I don't care for those. Rice on the other hand I love.. but she doesn't.. so I'll throw the rice out. :)

--Attaboy.

okay i think jersey is completely wrong but whatever.  again kris we have been through this before - you're looking for some easy miracle cure and there just isn't one out there. any plan that reduces your current calories and gets you moving will allow you to lose weight. meat doesn't have some special power that will make you lose weight.  you just have to decide you are ready for change and that you're invest in it. yes you can eat anything in moderation and still lose weight. dividing food into "good" and "bad" is just asking for failure.  i find it funny that on christa's post you say how she should go to counseling and how you would go "if the need arises" and then on this post you talk about addiction and self-loathing. is that not a really really huge need that has risen??? i thin****il you deal with your demons, you will not be able to reach your goals. atkins, WW, surgery - none of those will help until you work on your head.

Andy, protein in and of itself doesn't have miracle powers.  But what it does do is a) feed muscle growth and b) force the body to focus on metabolizng fat stores, not just what you've eaten in the moment.  Carbs are fine in theory for when you know they will be "accessed", ie first thing in the morning or preworkout. 

While I admire your accomplishment and education on the topic of nutrition, it misses one huge category--insulin issues.  I figure that either since you were so  young when you were obese that that you never had to deal with insulin resistance  and the inability to lose weight due to it.  Either that, or you thrive in a restricted food environment, telling yourself to always eat only x amount.  Just as you write that "dividing food into "good" and "bad" is just asking for failure", IMHO so is living in constant restriction due to damaging the metabolism. I do point out that this part is not true: "any plan that reduces your current calories and gets you moving will allow you to lose weight".  I was eating 800-1000 calories and NOT losing.  I ate that way for months.  I'd like to hear you explain that?  It's a common experience among the obese, and I believe they will have insulin resistance in common. Again, it's not that protein is magical.  But it has proven effective for those who are cutting (ie building muscle and leaning out--it's what bodybuilders do pre exhibition), those who struggle with binging, those who can't lose weight, those who need to protect their metabolism from yoyoing, etc.   Suggesting I'm suggesting it has miracle powers is just reaching for language that supports your agenda but is not relevant to what I have said.  It just shows the myths you've bought into. Lastly, about food being good or bad.  Well, we can be PC on this or we can admit bad food does exist.  Would a double Whopper with cheese and fries count as a bad food?  Uh, yeah, when the meal has 1000+ calories and 1-2 days worth of fat.  Now is low carbing suggesting food is good or bad?  No, just that certain foods need to be eaten with consideration for how the impact obesity.

Jerz, here is the problem..Andy has like 180% more credibility on this.  For the umteenth time, when you have lost it and are within , hell, 20 pounds of your goal, i will lend you an ear. Past that, you go another year at that, I will write you a 20 dollar check. 10x that if it goes another six months.  Right now, you are paying Super Trainer Guy enough that he is laughing all the way to the bank. Take all the time you need here. Get back to me.

"Jerz, here is the problem..Andy has like 180% more credibility on this. For the umteenth time, when you have lost it and are within , hell, 20 pounds of your goal, i will lend you an ear." Right now, you are paying Super Trainer Guy enough that he is laughing all the way to the bank. AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

You're attacking my credibility?  Nice person. BTW, I didn't take my ti me to get back to you.  I was offline and in bed. I don't need to gain credibility--it works and has worked for many people. It has NOTHING to do with my trainer.  All he is relevant about is direction and my working out.  It has everything to do with research.  As for laughing to the bank, you do realize trainers make crap, right?  Ultimately, he gets 1/3 to 1/2 what I pay and in the scheme of a total income, it's not that much.  His primary income comes from his contract with the gym for his specialization, otherwise, his training is just a subsidy to that.  They gym gets the majority of the money.  Such is the way. Do I pay a lot for training?  Yes.  BUT, I get out of it what I needed--physical training.  And it's no more than I've paid for diet programs or what someone will pay out of pocket for WLS. You know, because of crap attitudes like that, I think WTF, why bother com ing here, then I get PM'd to please stay and how my advice has helped someone.  Some of you folks really must have missed something in childhood to act as you do.  Either that or your just really wounded to end up being so *****y.

"i find it funny that on christa's post you say how she should go to counseling and how you would go "if the need arises" and then on this post you talk about addiction and self-loathing. is that not a really really huge need that has risen???" It doesn't feel huge to me because I've dealt with it all my life.  There are other a areas where I feel strongly confident. My technical ability for example.  I hate the way I look... Yes.. I loathe the fat nastiness.  I loathe that I can't stop eating or can't stick to a healthy plan for more than 6 months. So yes, I have self loathing but I don't hate myself completely.  Now the addiction..yeah I probably should talk to a counselor about that.  I just doesn't feel like it's worth of a counselor to me though.  does that make sense? " you're looking for some easy miracle cure and there just isn't one out there." There is something out there that is a miracle cure for me. It may not be the same one for someone else but it's my miracle cure.  That doesn't mean I'm going to pop a pill and overnight be skinny, but rather that I will find something that is easy for me to do that works and works forever. I know there's a way!