Question:
Less tolerant?

Have any of you found that, once *you* lost weight, that you preferred to date people in better shape than you would have previously? It's as if I finally realized how important it is to be healthy, and I want a partner who realizes the same thing. Is this just extremely shallow of me, or have others felt this way too?    — Sheri K. (posted on November 16, 2002)


November 16, 2002
I'm married, so I am not going to be dating anyone... However, if I was single, I would be a lot more tolerant than you are being. Yes, I think you are being extremely shallow.
   — John Rushton

November 16, 2002
I don't think you're being shallow at all. If you're now very aware of how you eat, and how you exercise, and even what you drink, those things are a big issue for you right now and you're probably still working on 'em. As part of your own "recovery," you don't want to catch yourself looking critically at the person you're dating and judge them by your new standards if they're living a different lifestyle (particularly, if they're living the one you've worked so hard to train yourself out of). In some ways, it could be compared to dating a smoker when you've just quit. Yes, you can do it, and not judge the other person's choice to keep smoking, but for some folks it could be difficult -- and not shallow -- to have some difficulty doing so (if only in undercutting your own hard-won, new good habits). Plus, the *last* thing you wanna do is nag somebody else or judge them as part of your own recovery process. It can just be easier to find someone who shares a lot of your new good habits (just as it's easier to find somebody who has other common interests with you). What's shallow about that? Just my 2c. :)
   — Suzy C.

November 16, 2002
Sheri, I don't think it's shallow. I am married and my husband loved me just as well fat as he does now that I am thin. BUT, I have found myself being very food choice conscious as well as exercise conscious. I have changed the food I buy for our entire household because I want everyone healthy. I don't think you are trying to say you avoid or look down on obese people now. I know for me I feel guilty sometimes when I am in a group of overweight people. I always wonder if they know about gastric bypass or if they can afford it but I never want to offend someone by bringing it up. Don't worry about being shallow...you should match with someone who lives a lifestyle that compares with your new life!!
   — Aimee P.

November 16, 2002
i have read a lot about fat women who 'settle' for partners, they are either, fat themselves, or mean abusive, won;t make an effort, or otherwise not the best chocie. but the women feel they can nto get anyoneelse or the ydo not deserve anyoneelse, sothey 'settle' many ladies have wls, then grow apart fomr their spouses and get divorced! it is on the messge baordal lthe time. then there are some men who like fat women becuase they feel 'safe' no one else would want them or they try to make the woman feel 'greatful for their attentions! and when the woman looses weight, he looses his control over her and she dumps him! is it shallow?? well i would like to think i would want the same kind of man now being fat that i would when i loose weight! however would they want me now?? NO WAY, and i do not think i would want them afterwards! ifthey cold not want me fat then forget it!! ;o) would they dump me if i got fat again? most likely! niow that is shallow!!! ;o)
   — janetc00

November 16, 2002
So it would be OK, if the situations were reversed and your boyfriend was the one losing weight, for him to break up wih you and start dating thinner women???? <p> You'd think that this person who just broke up with you was pretty shallow for not seeing you for more than just your weight. That's what you'd be doing to all of those people that you are thinking of excluding just because you lost weight...JR
   — John Rushton

November 16, 2002
Nope, I don't find anything wrong with that at all. Like attracts like. Why look for an eating buddy now that you'd prefer a dance buddy(for example). Have fun! -Kim open RNY 7/17/01 -140
   — KimBo36

November 16, 2002
Well then, I guess that I am estatic that I am married to the wonderful woman that I have been for the last 17 1/2 years than any of you ladies. I'd never give her up no matter how thin I get and she feels the same way about me. <p> I find it amazing (maybe make that appalling) to read the responses from the ladies in this thread. Good luck in finding the thinner b.f. that you ladies are looking for...since it seems to mean so much to you now.
   — John Rushton

November 16, 2002

   — dustyz

November 16, 2002
Okay, let's back up and get some perspective people. This is a woman who is not in a committed relationship and she is simply attracted to a different set of people. I think maybe she looks and feels better and has improved her self esteem to the point that she finally feels she's good enough to go after a hotty. That is wonderful for her. Also, a former drug addict shouldn't date a drug user. Same with a "food addict." She's not talking about dumping anyone simply because of their appearance. I say, "You go girl!" That's wonderful if you know what you want and have the confidence to go get it!
   — cjabates

November 16, 2002
If you are in a relationship then I have to agree with John on his comment. If you plan to leave a current relationship just because you believe you deserve "better", then I have to say I totally disagree with that. If you are saying that you have become attracted to a more healthier male and you are interested in dating them then I think that is great too. I will say I have been with my husband for 9 years now and he has seen me through "thick and thin". Think or thin he will always be my best friend. I know where the grass is greener.........on my side of the fence.
   — DRutherford

November 16, 2002
I'm torn on this one. I see points from both sides. I can understand looking for someone with like interests and at this point in your life, a healthy life style is important and a main topic of interest in your life. However, I have to agree with Johns statement about how many wonderful men you would be excluding because of this 'pre-judgement' of their lifestyle. As a large woman we expect or hope that people will love us for who we are inside and not what we look like. We get angry when we are judged by our size, or what we eat. Yet, this is what you are thinking of doing now. I have not read your profile so I do not know how much you have lost or how close you are to goal. But being at goal and a size 8 now, I have noticed a HUGE difference in the way I am treated. Not only by men, but by women as well. It really makes me sick that I am treated better than before, like I am no longer 'diseased'. It just seems from your post, that you are adopting these same actions.
   — RebeccaP

November 16, 2002
(Original poster here)...thank you all so much for taking time to respond. I knew I would get at least a few angry answers, but it was a question I needed to ask. Just to clarify, I'm not currently seriously involved with anyone...just dating. I would not dump someone I loved simply because of his size/eating habits. I will say one thing--I've noticed that one of the men I've dated (who happens to be overweight) almost seems to want to sabotage my efforts. He gives me an odd look when I can't eat more than a few bites for dinner, eventhough he knows the reason. He wants me to eat candy and sweets...encourages me, even...instead of helping support my efforts. That's one of the reasons I think dating someone with a healthier mindset would be the better choice for me, at least right now. I need all the help I can get :)
   — Sheri K.

November 16, 2002
Sheri...sorry if I sounded harsh, but you have to realize that there are thin jerks and obese jerks - just as there are wonderful people both thin and obese. If this guy is sabotaging your efforts, then I can see where you are coming from, but that doesn't mean the next boyfriend - a thin one - wouldn't try to do the same thing. Have you sat down and talked it over with your boyfriend why he is doing what he is doing? Maybe he has concerns with losing you. Communication is a wonderful tool if you use it...JR
   — John Rushton

November 18, 2002

   — Kevin P.

November 18, 2002
While I can agree with both sides, let us be clear about what is really important. Just as John said, there are thin jerks and there are obese jerks. There are also thin and obese good people. I know what I like in a man physically. I know what physical state attracts me. Does that mean that I am discriminating against someone that is not the way I want them to be physically? Perhaps. We must remember, though, that there are men and women out there that do find fuller figured folks more attractive. There are also people out there that find thinner people attractive. Of course, there are those that prefer blondes or nice legs or nice butts (I do) or nice teeth or even nice other parts. Physicality is important to all of us. Kevin P., you say your wife was about your size when you met her and even though she gained weight, you didn't even consider leaving her. While that is something you should do anyway, that is a very good thing to say. Ask yourself this question and be brutally honest with yourself. If she was 250 pounds when you met her, would you have still dated her to begin with? Would you have even gotten to know her in the first place? That is not to point a finger at you or anyone. I've never dated anyone to whom I was not physically attracted. Does that mean that every man that was pleasing to the eye was worth a date or even a conversation? No, it does not. It means that I do look for physical attributes that are pleasing to me and IF the personality fits, then it's all good!! None of us should judge the other too harshly. Remember that while we do want someone to like us for ourselves, there does have to be something there to attract that person in the first place. My two dollars worth since it's too long to just be two cents. Kuri, the true blue luzer!
   — blessednblu

November 18, 2002
It's interesting to see all the anger being expressed by the men in response to this question, when whether we like it or not, if you are a fat woman you are more than likely INVISIBLE in the dating world, and most women will at least give a fat guy a chance. I was once crazy in love with a guy who weighed about 500lbs. Would I date him (or another super MO guy) now? Probably not. Why give your heart to someone who could die sooner rather than later, and who refuses to make ANY effort to manage his/her obesity? I admit, I am bitter and jaded about the whole dating thing, but there is nothing wrong with seeking out someone who loves him or herself enough to at least make SOME effort, whether its WLS or just limiting it to two instead of four cheeseburgers. Bottom line, it's all about chemistry anyway, and who can explain that?
   — rebeccamayhew

November 18, 2002
WOW sheri...what a response! I just need to say that no one is right and everyone is right on this question. I have been fat since puberty and I have dated physically GORGEOUS men (model beautiful) and most of my boyfriends were like this. Last year I married one of those gorgeous men and most of the women I know were jealous (AND I weighed 260 on my wedding day). I have dated 2 obese men in my lifetime and neither of them were jerks nor were they marrying material. Being overweight for the last 20 years, for some reason, has not limited my selection of men. These were regular boyfriends, not first date/one date types of things. So what does that say about fit vs. fat people? It says that it's possible to date or find a mate, no matter what their size or yours. My husband is very honest and says he loves me big, but he is excited to see me at goal, too. I've always felt if you set expectations/rules/standards for other people, you'll limit yourself immensely and the weight loss won't mean anything in your true search for life happiness.
   — toolio

November 18, 2002
If my wife were 250 when I met her, I probably would not have gotten to know her as I did. On the other hand, it is just as possible that I would have. My ex-fiance was a large woman also. I have dated women on both sides of the spectrum. My preference, as is most PEOPLE's-not just men,...is a physically fit partner. But the poster here said that they were CHANGING their preference due to the way they now look. I'm by no means saying not to go out looking for the best looking person you can find...quite the contrary. All I am saying is if you limit yourself to those people who APPEAR healthier, you may be doing yourself an injustice. Take me for example...I am 145 lbs, I am decent enough looking (I hope, lol) yet I smoke 2 packs a day, eat whenever I get around to it, and my diet is pretty scary. One day I may eat nothing but 3-4 candybars. The next may be a huge serving of brats. I drink coffee all day, then soda when the coffee gets to be too much. I don't excercise at all. I am very active around the house, and I suppose that is my excercise, but nothing like truly working out. The point is, what I look like has NOTHING to do with the importance I place on health. Looking for a partner based on your perception of his attitude towards health by the way he looks is short-sighted at the least. If that's what you truly want in a partner, I suggest starting at Gold's Gym or something of that nature. If it's that you just want a more physically fit-looking man in your life, then go for it. Oh, for whomever said that women give large men a chance?...I'd like to hear what the men in here have to say about that. Feel invisible at the dance club? Or maybe feel like you are just in the way of the party? I think that may be as much of a two-way street as anything. One last comment. I wanted to post on these boards because I am the spouse of a post-op patient. I have gone through what a lot of other spouses are having, or going to have to go through. It is quite the rollercoaster, let me tell you. For those of you women with good men, I can't stress enough how important it is that you make them realize the changes you will go through. ESPECIALLY the hormonal peaks and valleys! Had I known that a lot of what I had to go through could be directly related to estrogen being dumped into my wife's system at a phenomenal rate, I would have been able to understand and give more support instead of feeling like an outsider that wasn't wanted. That is just one example. PLEASE, if you want your relationships that you have now to work, make sure your partner COMPLETELY understands the changes your body is going to experience so that they can at least be prepared to help you. Being left in the dark, as a spouse, about wls "side effects" is a bigger crime than the stinking ins companies not approving it. I heard a phrase today that fits here very well: "Problems that took years to develop take years to correct." This is my last post on these boards. My wife doesn't trust my ability to post mature, insightful posts here. She feels that some of the things I may say have no basis on these boards which I can only interpret to mean that she thinks I am full of shit. I can be a bit rough at times, but usually it is only the truth that I type. If it is tough to hear, I feel it still needs to be said...just my way. I won't candy coat anything. I feel she thinks I don't have much worth contributing to this site. Maybe she is right. One way or another, it isn't worth it to continue to post. I wish you ALL the best in every aspect of your "new" lives.
   — Kevin P.

November 19, 2002
Nope, I feel the same way. However, even when I was fat, I wasn't attracted to fat men. I was attracted to average weight men. So I don't feel I'm being shallow. I just prefer this type of men.
   — Patty H.

November 19, 2002
Hello! Well, I just want to say from another male voice here--haha add 2 more cents--I think everyone has a right to go through emotional changes. We all have SERIOUS physical changes, so why wouldn't we go through emotional changes as well? Look, to be honest, I agree with the last male poster, (oh by they way--I really liked your post and hope that you will continue to post, it is helpful and I personally feel it would be a loss if you didn't post.) We are all human, we have feelings and NO ONE has a right to judge us. If you want a heavy person, go get one. We didn't like to be judged when we are fat so we shouldn't be judging when we are thin. If she wants a healthy person--then go for it! If you are married, then encourage your partner to join you. You can't make them. Ok, this is getting too long--in short--life is too short--Just do it! Have a great one!
   — ningrahm

November 19, 2002
Are you being shallow? I don't think so. I have to majorly disagree with some of the posters here. I don't think that women give obese men more of a chance. I feel just as invisible at parties and dance clubs. I get just as much discrimination in the workplace. I have plenty of female friends (oddly enough more female friends than male friends) on both sides of the spectrum. But for those who I wanted to go farther with, I have never been able to get out of that "just friends" stage. As for my own opinion, I have been told all life that I set my standards too high if I seek the stereotypical person that society deems attractive. I am one of those people that seek out to accomplish that which people tell me I can't accomplish. These days I find myself ostracising myself from thinner women because I don't believe they could possibly be truly interested in me. But this is an issue I plan to tackle with my psychologist post-op. Right now I am looking forward to getting my surgery (have my insurance approval, just waiting on a surgery date) and getting in better shape myself. I want to feel better physically first, then I will concentrate on the social issues.
   — Chris B.




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