Question:
BCBS Denied

BCBS Policy is OBESITY MANAGEMENT EXCLUDE(S): Obesity. Care and treatment of obesity, weight loss or dietary control whether or not it is, in any case, a part of the treatment plan for another Sickness. However, treatment for Morbid Obesity will be covered under this Plan when necessitated as the result of a specifically identifiable condition of disease etiology. They are telling me that they only cover this surgery if morbid obesity was CAUSED by a medical condition. Has anyone ever seen a policy like this? I'm wondering if I should handle the first appeal myself or go straight to Walter Lindstrom. It seems BCBS policy on this is unreasonable. Susan    — SJP (posted on March 5, 2003)


March 5, 2003
Is your BCBS a PPO? I just saw my surgeon for the first time... he thinks I will be approved easily. The letter I got from BCBS PPO of Florida asked for the diagnosis code, the treatment code, and statements of medical necessity... I hope they will cover it!
   — Tim W.

March 5, 2003
Susan, I looked at your profile and I do not see any co-morbs listed. Do you not have anything - GERD, osteoarthritis, joint pain, depression, sleep apnea, asthma, high blood pressure (even slightly elevated), diabetes, etc. etc.? <p>You technically meet the NIH criteria of over 40 BMI with no co-morbs but in BCBS's case they want some other conditions that are being created or aggrivated by the morbid obesity. This is exactly how my BCBS policy reads. I was a 64 BMI with life long diet history (but not that many diets, about 5 tries spread out over 23 years - 4 in the last 8 years) and at the time I started the process not too bad of co-morbs. My surgeon put down GERD (which in my case was pretty non-existent with mediation, essential hypertension (which I had not been treated for because it was never consistently high) and osteoarthritis of my knees, degenerative joint diseas in my low back and joint and hip pain. As part of the process I had to have a new sleep study which ended up showing I have moderate to sever sleep apnea. I more than qualified before that diagnosis but I'm sure that sealed it. <p>Who sent the letter? What did it have in it? A case needs to be built as to why you qualify for this surgery and what disease etioogy is factoring in here. It's not that the disease is causing to gain weight it's that the MO condition is creating these other medical conditions. That's what they mean by disease etiology. Before you apeal you need to see exactly what was sent. I have BCBS of WI and they require a psych eval and detailed diet history. Were they included? Even if they are not required they are not going to hurt your case. You need to make sure when that appeal goes in that everything in your medical history is addressed and how this affecting your health and life etc. If you have even one or two good co-morbs I would think you should be able to get this covered but it will likely take persistence. <p>One more thing. If this is going to be an official appeal and go before the appeal board you have the right to be there and present your case. Don't let them tell you, that you can't be there - cause it's bull. This may be your best chance because who better to talk about you and your life but you. It's how I won payment of chiropractor bills on a 3rd board appeal. They denied me access to the board the first two times and were forced to do a 3rd one, that when I got to present my case and the whole picture it was all paid. Took 3 years but it was worth it to me. If this is just going back to medical review then I would just ask to have this additional information reviewed for possible approval of surgery and reserve the official appeal if you really need it. Good Luck! BCBS can be tamed!
   — zoedogcbr

March 5, 2003
Hi, BCBS doesn't seem to care about co-morb issues. They are saying they want me to have a disease that CAUSED the weight gain. IS there such a thing? I did have a major episode (clinical diagnosis) of depression... this is where most of my weight game came from.. the actual depression as well as the medication I was given. I wonder if this could be considered a "disease"? I am in the process of writing an appeal letter. I think I'll cc Walter Lindstrom and see if that makes a difference. If it doesn't... then I guess I'll have to hire him. thanks
   — SJP

March 5, 2003
I have BCBS ppo (ohio). I was approved in three weeks with my co morbs beign DEPRESSION, feet pain (was seeking PT for this), general aches (knee, hip), insomnia, acid reflux, etc. I'd definitely list the depression. My Dr told me if I was treated for a hangnail I sould document it and turn it in. ANYTHING. Have you been to ER? Get that documentation too. Along with the mental health info. DON'T GIVE UP! God Bless. Jamie
   — Jamie M.

March 5, 2003
Tim, my BCBS is a PPO but I think every insurance is different...depending on what your employer purchases..etc.
   — SJP

March 5, 2003
I think BCBS is trying to make some changes must be getting a lot of flak.My policy has a written exclusion but yt the other day I get a letter asking for more info so my surgeon is sending me to my PCP for a H&P and I need 5 years medically supervised diets and a letter of medical necessity the Drs offce also suggested I write a letter on my behalf which I have done and Im going to include pics of myself. And the clincher is Im trying to get Lap Band for which they are KNOWN for denying so anythings possible with them right now.
   — Lisa F.

March 5, 2003
"when necessitated as the result of a specifically identifiable condition of disease etiology". <p>Susan did they tell you it has to be the disease causing the MO or is that your interpretation? This is a chicken and egg thing and which comes first. I know from working with them that they are looking at which conditions are being exacerbated by your MO and would likely go away or improve and which diseases are not allowing your to exercise etc. Having a joint pain and/or osteoarthritis is a disease that can cause you not to be able to exercise therefore it is logical you would have difficulty losing weight. However, being overweight is likley causing the joint issues. So you can split this hair either way. The bottom line is they want to know what diseases you have that are part of this overall situation and would likely improve with WLS. Depression can cause weight gain and lack of exrcise and depending on it's origination may be helped by losing weight.
   — zoedogcbr

March 5, 2003
Chris, it wasn't just how I read the policy. It is what BCBS told me as well as my surgeons office. We (surgeon and I) think the whole thing is flaky.
   — SJP

March 5, 2003
I would still put together any additional info and file an appeal or whatever you want to call it. I think the person telling your this is not totally clear on what the intention of that statement means. I only work with the director of customer service anymore - no customer service people. My connection then works directly with medical review to get the straight scoop. The reality is I believe you can make any co-morb be a significant cause of your MO or a signigicant contributor. It's just the spin you put on it. At this point I wouldn't waste my time and money with Walter Lindstrom. Go to the appeal board yourself and be very very prepared to present your case as unemotionally as possible. Just the facts! Good Luck!
   — zoedogcbr




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