Question:
Open vs. Lap ?

I couldn't find this in the Q&A's, sorry if it's a duplicate. I'd planned on having RNY laproscopic, but am considering changing to a surgeon who only does the surgery with the full open incision. What and how serious are the additional risks?    — Lisa R. (posted on July 31, 2004)


July 31, 2004
Whats up with the original LAP surgeon? Did they loose a patient or are they under a official investigation? LAP vs OPEN is a favorite topic here. One major downside to opens is that my surgeon says about 1/3 of opens get at least oneincisional hernia because the muscle wall is cut. Something to think about. Bigger risk of infection because room air rather than sterile gas enters your insides, longer recovery time and more pain from the added trauma. ll this from dr philip schauer a world leader in bariatric surgery. Please tell us more about whats happening with your original surgeon...
   — bob-haller

July 31, 2004
Ok here's my opinion. I had my surgery done Lap, same group as Bob, and they are wonderful skilled surgeons. I originally thought lap was the way to go, but on the other hand if you were wanting to get a tummy tuck later, having a hernia is pretty much a guarantee that you would get it approved. I was unable to get mine approved, no hernia or other serious problem, and my insurance kept saying "no, cometic", although I had documentation of treatment for rashes, letters from surgeons, etc. So, after going through all the appeal process and an appeal hearing, I almost wished I would have had my surgery done open and wouldn't have had to go through what I did to still get a no from my insurance on the tummy. Just something to think of if you think your journey won't end with the wls.
   — Dee ,.

July 31, 2004
My surgeon is new to NYS. She had 150 surgeries under her belt when she came here to start a Bariatric Center at a nearby hosp. Since here, she has had 2 leak+complications in 10 surgeries. The hosp. is now having her surgeries 'observed'. I'm still trying to find out just what is meant by 'observed' i.e. monitored? supervised? Assisted? etc? It has made me a bit leary. The surgeon I'm most interested in other than her, only does the surgery open. There is one other local pratice that does Lap, but I've chosen not to use them. (long story) Risk vs. Risk "Between a rock and a hard place"
   — Lisa R.

July 31, 2004
I have had 3 open surgeries. No complications with any of them. The first two were WLS, back in '95 my surgeon was not experienced with lap (couldn't even tell you if any of the WLS' were done lap back then) then when I was revised in'02, my surgeon (same guy) was concerned with adhesions so he did that one open also. With both of these I was back to work within 2 weeks. My third was a gallbladder removal & small bowel obstruction. It happened 3 weeks after my daughter was born in May so I was on maternity leave. Didn't go back to work for 6 weeks buts that's just when my leave was up. I felt ok about 2 weeks post-op. I think I'm just a fast healer.
   — Ali M

July 31, 2004
I had 2 lap surgeries---one was my RNY 18 months ago, and the other was my gall bladder, 1 month ago. No difficulties from either one. As far as having open surgery goes, I was so confident with my surgeon that if he was only doing open, in the middle of Grand Central Station, I would have done it. However, don't count on a hernia getting you automatic approval for a TT. I went for my PS consult at 1 year out, and the paperwork was submitted for approval. My hernia was approved, but the TT was denied. I fought the denials twice, then appealed to the NY State Insurance board through an external appeal. I finally got it and am having the TT on 8/17. Go with your instincts and a Dr. you have faith in. Some of the risks of open have been described to you, but they are not all that frequent and from what I have observed managable when using a good surgeon. Good luck!!!
   — Fixnmyself

July 31, 2004
I have had 2 surgeries, one lap and one open. Me personally...I would have open again in a heart beat. My Rny was open....out of bed the night of surgery walking, I was uncomfortable, but never had what I would call PAIN. I had my gallbladder done lap....SEVERE PAIN for 3 days, could not stand up straight for 3 days, never again. Both surgeons were excellent no complaints there. I was back to work fulltime as a nurse on postop day 10 from the RNY, and no pain meds for the RNY after day 2. I did end up with lortab because I hurt my leg while shopping on day 4. I severly twisted a muscle, I had to have a muscle relaxer and lortab. Everyone is different on what surgery they want, but as said, don't use the getting approved for a tummy tuck to make that decison.......Good luck
   — jennap

August 1, 2004
I guess it all depends on your insurance because with mine I was told that it would have been approved if I had a hernia. just my experience so you can't totally dismiss as others have stated it's not guaranteed approval. It may not be for their insurance but was in my case. I think your decision for wls should solely be based on the confidence you have in your surgeon, his/her skill, and what you feel comfortable with.
   — Dee ,.

August 1, 2004
Open incision - greater chance of incisional hernia, slightly greater risk of incisional infection, increased post op pain, slightly greater chance of embolic event (DVT, PE), longer recovery period. The myth that the surgeon an "see better " with an open inciosion is just that - a myth. Lap surgeons have light and magnification in the surgical area. Smaller incision mean less pain, increased movement post op, faster recovery and virtually no chance of incisional hernia, less chance for embolic events. Not sure why you would choose open over lap if lap is an option. Let us know!
   — koogy

August 1, 2004
I had my RNY open, and wouldn't change a thing about it. My scar is 3 1/2 inches long. I had the surgery 10:30 Wed am and at 2pm Fri I was leaving the hospital. The worst day was the day after the surgery, but after that I was fine in regards to the incision and pain. I was out walking around the stores on Sat (3 days postop) and other than some tiredness and "soreness" you never would have guess I had major surgery. Everyone is different though, but I keep hearing people who didn't have an open procedure talk about the longer recovery time...wheras my friends who had lap had a much rougher time with postop pain due to the trapped gasses used during their procedures. As far as "observed" to whomever asked that question...the surgeon is required to have another surgeon with them during all the procedures until they are taken off this probationary status. It's not uncommon to do, especially with new surgeons (not just WLS related). Good luck to you, whichever route you choose. I am thrilled I had mine open!
   — M. Me

August 1, 2004
i had a lap rny in dec and have a few tiny little scars which are fading already some of the girls from my support group say they don't wear clingy shirts because their scars from the open show so badly through clothes. lap is less recovery time also.
   — Kris C.

August 1, 2004
I had laproscopic RNY in Nov. 2003. I was driving in 5 days. Actually, I drove from my driveway to my sister's driveway, about the distance of 2 blocks, on the 3rd day after my surgery. I was standing up front in my church singing with my sister 5 days post-op. I felt great and recovered very quickly. I have 2 friends that had open RNY, and they both had a very painful and longer recovery. I am so glad my surgeon specializes in lap. My sister also had lap in Dec. 2003. She did very well also. Good luck on your "journey". God bless.
   — Iris P.

August 1, 2004
Thanks everyone for your candid answers. The "observed" concerns me, because the hospital is saying tht she must now be observed by a Bariatric Surgeon. She has a partner, who happens to be the head of the department. He has always assisted her in surgery. He is a good surgeon, but not a bariatric surgeon. I meet with my PCP this afternoon and will be taking the info. that I have learned from you all, ask her opinion, based on Open vs. Lap and my specific health, healing abilities etc. I'm trying (not very successfuly) to not be too anxious about this. Sept 7, my surgery date, if I keep it, is not that far away! I'm sure I will feel better after speaking with my PCP. She is excellant & very thorough. Lisa RP
   — Lisa R.

August 5, 2004
The old saying two heads are better than one. Sounds like you can be EXTRA safe.
   — bob-haller




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