Question:
I have no serious life threating co- morbs. BUT I HAVE A PLAN......

I KNOW THIS WILL SOUND VERY BAD WHEN i ASK THIS BUT I no choice!!! I am desparate !!! I requested to have blood work done to see if I have diabetes. I plan on eating a few chocolate bars through the night but I afraid to overdo it because I don't want my blood sugar shoot up too high off the charts breaking world records for bein still alive. How much chocolate or donuts should I eat.!!!!! also, My blood pressure is very good 120/80/. How can I raise my blood pressure ?? When I was sick once I was taking nighttime nyquill and that boosted my blood pressure to 160/100 I think. My bmi is 47. Any suggestions out there....thanks !!!    — [Anonymous] (posted on October 2, 2001)


October 2, 2001
I would not do that at all!!! You are going to cause you doctor to put you on medicine to treat those things you don't have...ie. blood presure meds with will cause to actually have too low presure with can cause other problems. I think you BMI is high enough to be approved, maybe not? Don't try to TRICK anyone!!
   — [Anonymous]

October 2, 2001
Your BMI is high enough for you to be approved without any life threatening comorbidities! Like the previous post states, doing the things you suggest is not a good idea. A BMI of 40+ is sufficient to be approved with comorbidities.
   — Gina E.

October 2, 2001
Your BMI qualifies you for the surgery without and co-moribidities. Mine was 43 when I had my surgery and the only problems I had was the usual painful knees, ankles, and back. My insurance approved right away. I wouldn't try to do anything that would possibly jeopardize your surgery if your surgeon and/or insurance company found out you tried to trick them. Good luck! ((((HUGS)))) Pat
   — nealp

October 2, 2001
The standards for surgery are a BMI between 35 and 40 with comorbidities or a BMI of 40 and over without any comorbidities. You are well within those quidelines with a BMI of 47 and no comorbs. It is not necessary for you to falsely influence your tests, nor is it a very good idea.
   — [Anonymous]

October 2, 2001
I also was approved with a bmi of 43 and no serious comorbids. I did have high cholesterol--but only 220 or so. I would stick with what you do have. Most of us have one or two things related to our weight that would go away if the weight did. I have problems with my joints. How about back pain? Reflux? All that stuff counts. You will probably be approved anyway, so I wouldn't pad the results.
   — ctyst

October 2, 2001
I would not do that. Let's say your plan to seem diabetic works...that will hinder the process of getting wls. First, they'll teach you to give yourself shots with insulin you don't need, which could be harmful in itself. Diabetics are less likely to heal as well...so your doctor would have to evaluate you, hence even more waiting time. I'm 15 days post op. I qualified through my insurance company in 6 days and the only problem i have is morbid obesity--a BMI of 48. No breathing problems, no sleep apnea, no joint problems and no diabetes. If you do it the right way you can be assured that your doctors know your full health picture and you'll come out of it just fine. If you fudge any test results you're putting yourself in danger. I wish you luck! You'll do it and you'll be fine.~
   — Kristin R.

October 2, 2001
You say you don't have *any co-morbidities? The reason I ask is because I didn't think I did, either. However, when I talked to my sugeon, I found out that I have a few minor co-morbordies, after all. There are lots of things besides diabetes, high blood pressure, and sleep apnea that qualify as a co-morbidy. For instance: Irregular periods, back pain, hip pain, depression, carpal tunnel (sometimes), acid reflux and heartburn, and pain in your joints can all be considered co-morbid conditions. I'm only 24, so I don't have a lot of the "higher" problems... but, when I walked around for awhile, I did get back and hip pain. I also was put on birth control for irregular periods... so, right there were my co-morbidities. But whatever you do, don't lie. You need to be completely honest with your surgeon to ensure he'll use the right medication and anethesia (etc) for you. This is your life you're playing with if you fib.
   — FireJewel

October 2, 2001
I agree with most everyone" DON'T LIE ABOUT THE DIABETES" You probably have others you don't know about but your BMI will definately help, sore joints,depression, all of those will count,part of the reason that our insurance problem is the way it is,is because to many people cry wolf too many times and the rest of us who are honest have to pay the price. My personal feeling is if it is meant to be everything will fall into place for it to happenjustput it it in God's hands that is what he is there for.But be honest with the Dr. and above all be honest with yourself.
   — Jennie D.

October 2, 2001
In a nutshell, ( generally speaking) you already qualify for the surgery, most require BMI 40 or 35 w/ co-morbids
   — Cindee A.

October 2, 2001
Please do not 'trick' the system. So many people on this site are having to fight insurance companies for approval. When someone comes right out an posts about doing something to deceive a doctor in order to gain approval for surgery, it's like slapping all of us who truly do have these problems in the face. Actions like your plan are the reason that more and more insurance companies are picking apart requests so mercilessly. It would be horrific if your insurace found out and combined with similar actions from others applied an exlusion for EVERYONE in your plan wouldn't it? Please let's not any of us do something that could possible hinder all of us. As the other posters have said, it sounds to me like you may qualify already. Honesty is always the best policy. Good luck.
   — [Anonymous]

October 3, 2001
If your trick your body into a high glucose reading, you doc wll send you for fasting blood glucose test. And you won't be able to trick your way around that one. Personally. I think you should forge about wls because you don't have the maturity for it.
   — [Anonymous]

October 3, 2001
I have a couple of pieces of advice for you on this. #1. What you are proposing is fraud. Pure and simple. The fact that you tried to get advice from others on how to committ this act of fraud is not in your favor. #2. One high blood sugar result will not get you a surgery. Doctors do fairly careful and repetitive evaluation that will screen out any anomalies and reveal your true state of health. I suggest you either switch insurance to one that is more amiable to WLS, or perhaps look into other ways of petitioning or perhaps self-paying. Be persistent, but be wise. It is not worth jail time for insurance fraud to save a few thousand on a surgery. I was a self pay, and did not have tons of money, and we managed. I also have a friend who sold her house to raise the money, and several other friends who have switched doctors or insurances with good success. Good Luck to you.
   — Cara S.

October 4, 2001
I was approved with no comorbidities, except shortness of breath after minimal exertion, and I think that's something anyone carrying extra weight has. Don't jump out on a limb yet, wait and see if you get approved, your BMI alone is probably high enough to get approved. They also look at what could happen. You may be relatively healthy right now, but sooner or later it will catch up with you and you are at a higher risk for heart disease among other things. Insurance companies may rather pay for WLS now than a triple bypass down the road. Good Luck and keep us posted!
   — Deborah W.

October 4, 2001
This is for everyone who responded to the above question THANK YOU !!! Desparate people do desparate things. The person who asked the question feels really bad for writing it and for actually even thinking such a crazy thing.That person is not like that. So everybody can relax. To the people who answered who ended their answers kindly with compassion an extra THANK YOU TO YOU. Sometimes a person just needs alittle reassurance from people during their waiting for approval. Its unbearable at times and sometimes people just panic !!!! Hope you can understand and please forgive. Please don't be mad anymore. TRULY SORRY.....
   — [Anonymous]

October 5, 2001
Okay, Anonymous question poster....I understand exactly how you feel. I, too, would have done almost anything to get approved for surgery. When I was told at first that I didn't qualify, I felt completely desperate and considered lots of crazy schemes. If you would like to Email me privately, I will tell you methods other members of this site told me try...and what works. Now, Anonymous nasty post answerer...put your name on the nasty, mean spirited things you post on this board! I wish Eric would ban posting anonymously. You say hurtful, degrading things to people then run away and hide. You are a coward and a bully!
   — Anne G.

October 6, 2001
Keep in mind there is a test called a hemoglobin A1C that can be done to test your average blood sugar over a longer period of time (?three months, I believe). Depending on the percentage, they will be able to see if you have had a high blood sugar for quite some time, and your candy bar eating will have no bearing on your true diagnosis of "diabetes" you are looking for. Mind you, not something anyone in their right mind would hope for.
   — [Anonymous]

August 29, 2003
You don't have to have any co morbs. Your BMI puts you at risk for developing major medical problems. The main point of having the surgery is to avoid ever developing medical problems because of your uncontrollable weight. (FYI... you cannot fake diabetes)
   — Kim D.

November 9, 2003
I agree! If you post anonymously it is like being politically apathetic. You really have no voice that counts.
   — Danyelle K.

November 9, 2003
I am right there with you. Most people considering WLS are most certainly desperate. I am one of those people who don't go to the doctor for every little ache and pain because I am obese and I don't like feeling humiliated. I think this is the main reason why many obesity sufferers have little or no documentation of comorbids or diet attempts--because just like eating, we diet in secret also.
   — Danyelle K.




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